List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Blue__Balls]

If we're gonna chase Houston I think it needs to be on the basis that we're offloading a midfielder for balance reasons.

Hypothetically, if we can get a middling first round pick for Cerra, I'd be open to trading that plus our future first rounder for Houston and a second rounder this year.

Houston slots into HB with some mid/wing rotations.
E. Hollands takes Cerra's starting midfield spot after a full preseason with the mids.
Charlie pushes up to a high forward role in place of Hollands.
Kemp moves into a deep forward role.

Newman, Weitering, [JSOS/Young/Budget Recruit?]
Houston, McGovern, Saad
Acres, Cripps, Hollands
TDK, Hollands, Hewett
Williams, Curnow, Fogarty
Motlop, McKay, Kemp
I/C: Cowan, Walsh, Kennedy/Cincotta, Owies/Durdin

Still leaves us with our first round pick to take to the draft for a small pacy small (Berry), classy mid (Lindsay), dashing utility (Travaglia) or developing KPD (no idea who).

Also need to potentially fit Doc into that 22. Plus the up and comers like Lord, Moir, Binns, Wilson and draftees (first rounder plus Campos) who may just have to bide their time a little or work their asses off to demand selection over the incumbents. And fringe, genuinely selectable options like Boyd, Cottrell and Pitto who we'd still likely need to turn to on a semi-regular basis as injury cover.

It's not a 22 that screams pace. But it looks a little more capable of playing tempo, possession footy between the arcs.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Surely not the only explanation given his standing on the coaches votes leaderboard?

As SOC said above, he has been down on form during the last 7 weeks but he's not alone there.

Coaches don't vote on this award...

 

[Lukeblueboy]

If I recall correctly, Walsh received a Knee in the back in and around the bye week. That really set him back.

Yeah he definitely hasn’t been able to get back to his best after that incident imo

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I thought that the better ball use and mobile forward line really benefited our smalls.

Durdin Motlop Owies Williams Fogarty can all play. They can be a very dangerous group if used properly.

The way we have delivered it forward this year to our talls has made their jobs ridiculously hard. They need space and the ball on the ground. Reminded me a lot of Tigers in their flag seasons. Chaos ball into fwd 50

We are incredibly predictable going forward, that should help the smalls no end as they should know exactly where to be.

Collectively, I think the smalls have been incredibly disappointing in not being where they should be. But that’s my opinion


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[mochacinolatte]

We are incredibly predictable going forward, that should help the smalls no end as they should know exactly where to be.

Collectively, I think the smalls have been incredibly disappointing in not being where they should be. But that’s my opinion


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We can see the potential in durdin and motlop, they just can't stay on the park.

 

[Thrawn]

Yeah he definitely hasn’t been able to get back to his best after that incident imo

Unsure about that, he dismantled Geelong.

 

[JustOneTime]

We agree on many things Soap, this will never be one of them. Jack's biggest asset is his work rate and ball use. He's an average/poor overhead mark, not overly athletic - speed, vertical leap etc, never been a great 1 on 1 player like Charlie and he's slightly undersized for a modern KPD.

Love what Jack brings but he should stay forward imo. Best off going and finding another proven KPD to fill that hole

Personally, I see jacks best attribute is to split contests 50/50. This is the most common outcome of his contests. Not win or lose. Agree on your other points around marking, speed etc but his work ethic and brain see him split contests.

This outcome would be great in defence in terms of holding up play for a stoppage. Currently we have some witches hats back there defensively.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Isn't it ironic the week after we receive the best feedback on drafting kids, rumours circulate we are chasing a 29yo Dan Houston

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Dan Houston

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28

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186cm

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88kg

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Def

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Last 5

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18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

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16.6

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12.4

5star

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4.2

4star

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7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

? I would rather stick to the draft when our first pick is most likely in the top 15

 

[Benaly28]

I would rather back ourselves with the early draft pick which is likely a pick under 15, than the sugar hit of Houston.
Houston is great but he is 29 next year.

And we are in the premiership window….just saying.


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[Penetrator]

I would rather back ourselves with the early draft pick which is likely a pick under 15, than the sugar hit of Houston.
Houston is great but he is 29 next year.

Not quite he will be 28 in May next year but i agree would prefer to go the draft to address more urgent needs.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I’m not one for doing future 1sts, however if we don’t make the finals this year or go out week 1, I’d 100% go to the draft with that pick and offer PA our future 1 and maybe more. If we end up with pick 14 + yeah sure, that for Houston with a swap of picks this year sounds about right.

I’m pretty invested in this draft and think we should be looking to get 2 or 3 top 25 but understand the rationale in getting Houston, Haynes etc. we automatically become a much better side best 23 and depth.

I’m still all for Conor Stone. Think he would be an astute acquisition with playing forward and mid.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Isn't it ironic the week after we receive the best feedback on drafting kids, rumours circulate we are chasing a 29yo Dan Houston? I would rather stick to the draft when our first pick is most likely in the top 15

Only turned 27 in May just gone. Not turning 29 until May 2026

 

[Michael Jezz]

And we are in the premiership window….just saying.


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Only Saad and Hewett have put us in the window. E Hollands and Acres did not cost much
Most of the Expensive recruits have been of questionable value: Williams, Cerra, Martin, Mcgovern.
Houston is worth it at a price but I don't believe it is more than a pick in the 20s
He is running HBFlanker and a good one but Travalglia could be that player in 2 years

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Only Saad and Hewett have put us in the window. E Hollands and Acres did not cost much
Most of the Expensive recruits have been of questionable value: Williams, Cerra, Martin, Mcgovern.
Houston is worth it at a price but I don't believe it is more than a pick in the 20s
He is running HBFlanker and a good one but Travalglia could be that player in 2 years

Houston ranks elite in tackles and clearances, above average in disposals and disposal efficiency. Currently sitting at a whopping 82%.

Guy can plays many positions and was All Australian last year and could again be in 2024?

I know you may think we need to go in a different direction, but he ain’t worth a single pick in the 20s. Much higher than that

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Isn't it ironic the week after we receive the best feedback on drafting kids, rumours circulate we are chasing a 29yo Dan Houston? I would rather stick to the draft when our first pick is most likely in the top 15

27 isnt he?

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

27 isnt he?

Yep, turned 27 in May.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Not quite he will be 28 in May next year but i agree would prefer to go the draft to address more urgent needs.

Having a player that can kick a ball more gooder is an urgent need I would suggest. We've only needed that kind of player for like a decade now.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Physically weaker than May who can wrestle the gorillas & less athletic than Lever.
I struggle to find an ideal matchup for JSOS down back.

I struggle to find a best 22 spot for him period. I like him as a player, but we need to move past him if we want to become a genuine premiership threat. IMO

As Ive said previously, I dare say if his name wasnt Silvagni, people wouldnt still be trying to squeeze him into their best teams.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Yep, remind me… how much taller than Luke Jackson and how much stronger or more athletic?

Bloke will make up for any perceived physical disadvantages with grit, just like he did as a second ruck for big chunks of the last two seasons.

Are we still pretending that worked?

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I’d love to see a defence built around Weitering Silvagni & McGovern or Haynes (Young is back up) with Boyd Saad Hollands Cincotta Cowan Wilson and maybe Houston providing the running options

Means we can really focus on midfield run and X factor this off season

Honestly, Id rather we move on from them.

 

[Soapy V]

I struggle to find a best 22 spot for him period. I like him as a player, but we need to move past him if we want to become a genuine premiership threat. IMO

As Ive said previously, I dare say if his name wasnt Silvagni, people wouldnt still be trying to squeeze him into their best teams.

I’m the opposite. I think he’s underrated.

He’s a smart footballer been made to play a makeshift role that doesn’t really suit him yet he’s done well

IMO Jack is a natural defender and if given a go his smarts, workrate and unselfishness will make a great combination with Weitering

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Houston to me is a big yes. Not for 2x firsts, he's a HBF who averages 23 touches the last 3 yrs and 20 for his career. He's an elite, elite kick so that's his value, but flankers who average low 20s don't get 2x firsts. Especially flankers in their late 20s.

I'd do 1x first & future 2nd for Houston and a future 3rd. Given we have some NGA stuff going on next yr the swap of 2nd for 3rd round picks may not be a big deal for us, but could be for them (I must admit I'm not fully across the new bidding system so am not sure if 3rd picks have the same value they once did, but assuming they do still have some value that's the deal I'd be ok with). To be honest I feel like 1x first (around pick 10) is enough straight up, but he is contracted so maybe Port play hard ball.

Do we need another HBF? Probably not. But what we do need, desperately, is elite ball users, and they don't get much more elite than Houston, so it's one I'd pull the trigger on. Also, he's dependable physically and doesn't get injured. Another big need for us.

List numbers wise, no we dont. But he'd instantly be our best one. Simply makes sense to get him. Not for 2 x 1sts though

 

[M_I_G]

Hope we don’t get Houston as will end up paying overs for an unaccountable defender. It doesn’t suit how we play (saad was the same before he came in)

Sos is NOT a defender (we’ve seen it, even if our heart longs for him to be just like his dad)
Looking forward to seeing how we structure up next year. Kemp great attack on the ball but SOS was a decent second ruck. He’s great around the contest. Recall him rucking a whole game vs saints and doing well. Harry gets involved as second ruck but it’s not great. Could we field Charlie Harry Kemp sos all in one side tho..hmm

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Current HBFs. Or similar....

Newman and Saad - both 30 plus. Saady seems to be copping a lot more injuries of late...

It makes sense imo.

Doc - never to be seen at HBF again - young'uns like Billy Wilson - who knows...

Cow - big tick, but really a 4th tall? And may well evolve into the midfield?

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Said it in another post/ thread, I dont mind at all if we move on from both as soon as next season. In fact, I'd prefer it

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Did Jon Ralph just report that Jack Martin is about to be offered another contract?



As an aside, really irks me when people refer to Martin as a small forward.

Medium fwd. Always been a medium fwd