List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Beyond Blue]

I will paraphrase what was said because I don’t have the footage in front of me: It’s a no from Curnow. Deal is dead if McKay also says no. <— Implication there that at least one of them have been asked, otherwise how would they be able to say no?

Unless I am misinterpreting and you can go back and tell me what was said about that.

I reckon you’ve completely misinterpreted it because there is no way in the world any club would’ve put one of its best players such a preposterous position on the eve of the most important part of the season.

 

[YeoShuey]

I reckon you’ve completely misinterpreted it because there is no way in the world any club would’ve put one of its best players such a preposterous position on the eve of the most important part of the season.

Yeah.

Might be easily explained by the post above yours which makes sense too. Management may have given the instant no.

Then again I don’t know how accurate the whole story is from McClure.

 

[DangerousD]

Footy Classified said one of the reasons he wants to play for a big Melbourne club is for Brand Petracca, he wants more exposure to make money from Social Media and his cooking shows…

Red flags for me, I’d love him at the club but he could rip the group and culture apart if those reasons are true.

I wouldn’t take much notice of a footy show that deliberately makes outlandish comments to whip up drama and generate clicks on social media.

 

[DangerousD]

Forget McKay or Charlie, it’s not often that a player wants out at a club and is forced to stay.
Then if they stay, they generally end up leaving a year later anyway.

So forget $$$, forget McKay, Curnow, what would a team need to offer to make the Demons begrudgingly accept.

Be specific, 3 first rounders without a pick number is irrelevant.

 

[Y Goat]

We’d be crazy to trade H.

Elite CHF. Would show a misunderstanding of footy by the club IMO.

Probably Take 20 years to snare & develop another elite CHF. Long after CP’s performance has faded out, after 3-4 years or so - IF he recovers fully from the severe injuries, of course.

Altrrnatively, smart forward strategy and leading patterns can unlock the full potential of CC and H ( and Kemp, Williams, Fog, etc. etc. )

 

[teddy-hopkins]

That's hilarious....I actually don't mind Gary, but love the way he goes all gibberish when the conversation focusses on the Demons.

Interesting situation though. There's definitely smoke, and I have zero doubt a lot of it is coming straight out of Princes Park. It all boils down to how pissed off he is with the club, particularly in the wake of the aftermath with the way they handled the injuries both on game day and the weeks following. If you believe the reports, it was a massive slap to the face to both him and his family.

If he requests a trade - which seems a fait accompli right now - then Melbourne are well within their rights to deny it - or alternatively play hardball to the extreme that no club would go near it.

If he leaves the club and states he has no intention of returning, that's a different matter.

If he requests a trade history says they generally get done.

At 29 years old 2 first rounders is a good return.

What possible reason would McKay have to agree to move to Dees?

 

[BluStreak]

According to reports, Melbourne won’t do that.

Footy Classified mentioning they want either Curnow or McKay. According to McClure, Curnow said no and the deal is dead if McKay says no. So it all falls on McKay’s decisions at this point.

They are not after picks. They are after a top player for him. Nothing stopping them going to another major Melbourne club either.

McClure also does not mention why Carlton wants Petracca. Or How he knows what Carlton wants.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Both Hun and Age going with the story, so the smoke has turned into a fire…

Not saying it’s us…

However, if a player asks for a trade and nominates a particular club… Means the club have committed to getting the deal done…

If it does end up us we’d have to move on a big dollar contract to afford him…

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Both Hun and Age going with the story, so the smoke has turned into a fire…

Not saying it’s us…

However, if a player asks for a trade and nominates a particular club… Means the club have committed to getting the deal done…

If it does end up us we’d have to move on a big dollar contract to afford him…

The leverage really comes from how big a stink Trac is going to kick up if the Dees refuse to trade him and how big a stink he's already caused.

If what Lloyd said about speaking to some of his teammates and them saying they think it's best if he goes to then things are clearly in a bad way.

If the Dees know it's toxic to keep him they'll deal him whether they want to or not

 

[charred_fate]

Whatever it takes to get Cripps a flag.

I know the old adage is no individual is bigger than the club, but this is an exception. Cripps has carried us out of the worst period in our history with incredible commitment to the cause. He absolutely deserves special treatment.

While the thought of losing H hurts, circling back to my first point, I’d do the deal for certain. I’d even have let Charlie go if it meant a flag for Cripps.

We can cover Harry’s role.

We would be flag favourites with Trac (especially if we snag Houston and/or Aleer as well).

* this is dependent on the players being ok with it (ie, not risking club culture) and believing that Trac will return to full fitness .

 

[teddy-hopkins]

The leverage really comes from how big a stink Trac is going to kick up if the Dees refuse to trade him and how big a stink he's already caused.

If what Lloyd said about speaking to some of his teammates and them saying they think it's best if he goes to then things are clearly in a bad way.

If the Dees know it's toxic to keep him they'll deal him whether they want to or not

Seems like the dees window is well and truly over at this point. Brayshaw leaving hurt more than they hoped. Oliver looks cooked. May and Gawn coming to an end. ANB going. Brown / Smith gone. Melksham / Hunter / Billings ?

Whether Petracca leaves or not they'd do well to start a mini-rebuild now and rebound quickly rather than going for another premiership with a group that is obviously not good enough.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Seems like the dees window is well and truly over at this point. Brayshaw leaving hurt more than they hoped. Oliver looks cooked. May and Gawn coming to an end. ANB going. Brown / Smith gone. Melksham / Hunter / Billings ?

Whether Petracca leaves or not they'd do well to start a mini-rebuild now and rebound quickly rather than going for another premiership with a group that is obviously not good enough.

Yeah, which is why I don't buy the Harry McKay story. Why would they want a KPD who's 28 next year when they're list is pretty close to cooked.

 

[Blues_Man]

I reckon you’ve completely misinterpreted it because there is no way in the world any club would’ve put one of its best players such a preposterous position on the eve of the most important part of the season.

Sam McClure said curnow said no and Harry's manager said Harry is happy at Carlton, he took that to mean Harry didn't say no. He then went on to say a good deal for all would be Harry for petracca with cerra tossed in as steak knives. Now I don't know what drugs the moron is on, but Harry is more important to us than petracca would be, let alone cerra on top.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Whatever it takes to get Cripps a flag.

I know the old adage is no individual is bigger than the club, but this is an exception. Cripps has carried us out of the worst period in our history with incredible commitment to the cause. He absolutely deserves special treatment.

While the thought of losing H hurts, circling back to my first point, I’d do the deal for certain. I’d even have let Charlie go if it meant a flag for Cripps.

We can cover Harry’s role.

We would be flag favourites with Trac (especially if we snag Houston and/or Aleer as well).

* this is dependent on the players being ok with it (ie, not risking club culture) and believing that Trac will return to full fitness .

Who can we use to cover Harry’s role? Who’s going to push up onto the wing and take a bail out mark. We literally have no one else who competes in the air down the wing and when he’s not there our long dump kicks out of defence get picked off. We have no aerial presence down the line when he’s not there. As one of the best contested marks in the game, he also bails us out with our high hack kicks into the forward line. He’s an absolute key cog to this team that we simply can’t afford to lose. Charlie likes staying deep. Kemp isn’t tall enough to be a threat pushing up onto the wing. Lemmey is unproven. We can’t afford to lose Harry.

Out: McKay. In: Petracca wouldn’t make us a better team. We’d be stronger in the middle sure, but unless our ball use becomes significantly better, we’d struggle up forward despite the odd cameo game where it works out without him. Not to mention, if Charlie then went down we’d be absolutely screwed for a lack of talent and height in the forward line.

Petracca would be a good get but unless it’s just picks and say Cerra, then I think we bail out. Houston and Aleer I actually prefer as targets for our needs.

 

[Blues_Man]

Whatever it takes to get Cripps a flag.

I know the old adage is no individual is bigger than the club, but this is an exception. Cripps has carried us out of the worst period in our history with incredible commitment to the cause. He absolutely deserves special treatment.

While the thought of losing H hurts, circling back to my first point, I’d do the deal for certain. I’d even have let Charlie go if it meant a flag for Cripps.

We can cover Harry’s role.

We would be flag favourites with Trac (especially if we snag Houston and/or Aleer as well).

* this is dependent on the players being ok with it (ie, not risking club culture) and believing that Trac will return to full fitness .

Is that you dodoro ?

 

[charred_fate]

Who can we use to cover Harry’s role? Who’s going to push up onto the wing and take a bail out mark. We literally have no one else who competes in the air down the wing and when he’s not there our long dump kicks out of defence get picked off. We have no aerial presence down the line when he’s not there. As one of the best contested marks in the game, he also bails is out with our high hack kicks into the forward line. He’s an absolute cry his cog to this team that we simply can’t afford to lose. Charlie likes staying deep. Kemp isn’t tall enough to be a threat pushing up onto the wing. Lemmey is unproven. We can’t afford to lose Harry.

Out: McKay. In: Petracca wouldn’t make us a better team. We’d be stronger in the middle sure, but unless our ball use becomes significantly better, we’d struggle up forward despite the odd cameo game where it works out without him. Not to mention, if Charlie then went down we’d be absolutely screwed for a lack of talent and height in the forward line.

Petracca would be a good get but unless it’s just picks and say Cerra, then I think we bail out. Houston and Aleer I actually prefer as targets for our needs.

I know everyone loves going on about midfielders being a dime a dozen but reality is that Premierships are won in the midfield - the level of Trac is so far from ‘dime a dozen’ as well.

He could literally rest at full-forward and be damaging there. He’ll kick plenty of goals from the midfield too. One gun KPF is enough. Cripps, Trac and Walsh is unstoppable.

We also have the cover of TDK if required.

I get that emotion and sentiment are high with this type of scenario, but we’d definitely be a better team with Trac and if anyone thinks otherwise, they either haven’t seen enough of Trac, they underrate Trac or they’re emotionally attached to H imo.

 

[Blue By Blood]

I know everyone loves going on about midfielders being a dime a dozen but reality is that Premierships are won in the midfield - the level of Trac is so far from ‘dime a dozen’ as well.

He could literally rest at full-forward and be damaging there. He’ll kick plenty of goals from the midfield too. One gun KPF is enough. Cripps, Trac and Walsh is unstoppable.

We also have the cover of TDK if required.

I get that emotion and sentiment are high with this type of scenario, but we’d definitely be a better team with Trac and if anyone thinks otherwise, they either haven’t seen enough of Trac, they underrate Trac or they’re emotionally attached to H imo.

I watch a tonne of footy. I’ve seen plenty of Trac and rate him highly. I don’t get attached to any players. I’d move on any player if I felt the deal would make us a better overall team and that it wouldn’t rip the heart out of the playing group. Harry is mass loved by the playing list and there would be lots of filthy players if we pushed him out especially when he’s committed to us for so long and taken below his market value in doing so.

Like I said, we would lose aerial presence down the wing without McKay. He’s one of if not the best contested marks in the game and he’s invaluable to provide a bail out option when we kick the long ball down the line and inside the forward line. He often saves us late in games when he works his backside off to present down the wing and takes a big mark. His work rate for a big is super high. I’m not doubting how good Petracca is, I just don’t think the net gain is there by making that trade and it’s a moot point because H won’t be involved in any trade. I don’t think we’ll get Trac but if we do it will be for picks as the heart of the trade and very likely it would involve a third team to help Melbourne get something they value.

 

[Malifice]

 

[Malifice]

Lloydy claims to have spoken to 'a few' Senior Melbourne players and based on what they've told him, it's gone too far and he's all but gone:



We need to get him.

 

[charred_fate]

Lloydy claims to have spoken to 'a few' Senior Melbourne players and based on what they've told him, it's gone too far and he's all but gone:



We need to get him.

Yep. He’s exactly what we need. Hell, he’s exactly what every club needs. A few are fortunate to have them already.

Powerful, line-breaking, goal-kicking midfielders are literally the best, most valuable and most damaging players in the competition… and Trac is at the top of that list.

If we get him, we go straight to flag favourites. I’ve got no doubt about that.

 

[Malifice]

Yep. He’s exactly what we need. Hell, he’s exactly what every club needs. A few are fortunate to have them already.

Powerful, line-breaking, goal-kicking midfielders are literally the best, most valuable and most damaging players in the competition… and Trac is at the top of that list.

If we get him, we go straight to flag favourites. I’ve got no doubt about that.

Moreso if we could arrange it without losing McKay.

Trade Pitto (for 2nd rounder, rucks go for a premium), then to obtain points for our F/S boys, trade Martin (good player but chronic hammies, mid-range pick at best, frees up cap space) and Carroll to a WA side (mid-range pick) delist Marchy (sorry mate, I love you but your bodies not up to it), let Owies go for the right price (2nd rounder), and ask existing players to consider a pay cut.

Offer the Pittonet pick, plus a 1st this year and a future 1st. Use our remaining 2nd and 3rd round picks on a F/S.

Apparently we have money for Houston lined up so we should be able to make it work if we get a little creative.

A Mckay trade unlocks Trac and Houston, but without it I reckon we could still manage one of them, and if I have to choose, its a no-brainier who I'd rather have.

 

[charred_fate]

Yep; we'd do the Judd style deal only for it to fail again, and people will still be calling for the same again in the next 20 to 25 years. The draft fails us because we fail it.

It’s nothing like the Judd trade. We are on the cusp of being unstoppable. Trac would likely get us there. With Judd, we were desperate to be relevant and made the wrong call on who to trade, which was obvious to many of us at the time.

Cripps, Trac and Walsh is genuinely in the conversation for greatest midfield of all time. It’s without question a Premiership winning midfield. Trac could easily bag goals playing up forward too.

I can almost guarantee he’ll have won the hearts of all Bluebaggers by the end of the opening game of the season.

I bet if Trac comes, it makes it all the more likely that Houston and Aleer want to join as well - they’ll be seeing Premierships.

 

[Revenant1995]

It's just me, and I'm only sort of awake at the moment... I think Trac would instantly make us a better team, but question is cost. Just me, but if it is untenable for Petracca to remain at Melbourne, and if Petracca is the one who wants to play elsewhere, wouldn't the club he'd be potentially going to hold something of a whip hand? I think if Trac wants to play for us, he'd have to a significant cut to his salary. And if Melbourne do need to move him, they'd have to be accepting of taking a lower (not ridiculously lower, though) return simply by accepting draft picks (and would our 1st this year, plus F1, with some draft picks back from Melbourne, possibly even their F2)? Yeah, it's early and I need to go back to sleep...

 

[Malifice]

Yep; we'd do the Judd style deal only for it to fail again, and people will still be calling for the same again in the next 20 to 25 years. The draft fails us because we fail it.

We've already failed it. While we got 2015 spot on and knocked it out of the park, and Walsh picked himself (albeit any player in the top 7 of that draft picked themselves), Dow, SPS and Stocker were all busts (for us at least). Most of our players brought in have been from other clubs (Acres, Hollands, Saad, Hewitt, Cerra etc). DeKonig is the notable exception in 2017, and to a lesser extent Oliie Hollands.

Not saying blokes we've taken won't come on, but we couldn't really afford to blow 3 x 1st rounders in 3 consecutive years, after blowing most of the 1st rounders we took in the preceding 10 years.

We're short a KPD (we have a few years of Weitering and McGovern left), none of our small forwards have kicked on yet leaving us having to draft Fantasia as a stop gap, and we're missing that outside/ classy powerful mid type for Cripps to get the ball to.

We also lack a bit of speed, but look to be drafting a few speedy flankers over the next few years to make up for it.

We're not doing our due dilligence if we leave Petracca (a top 10 player in the AFL, and a proven big game player) on the table without giving it a good old fashioned shake.

We can get at least one Camporeale boy in this year with a collection of late 2nd and 3rd rounders remember.

The window is open now. Getting Trac in would have us firm flag favorites next year, and for the 2 years after that.

 

[Manhattanite]

Lloydy claims to have spoken to 'a few' Senior Melbourne players and based on what they've told him, it's gone too far and he's all but gone:



We need to get him.

Sam McClures reporting has been really good for the club - he’s helped bring Melbourne and its players against Petracca and it makes it more likely now that they will be willing to trade him without getting someone like McKay back.

As others have noted we could trade a few of our B grade players and get enough draft currency that when coupled with our current and future firsts we can make them a really good offer with points the equivalent of first pick or thereabouts




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