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[Pleasedontfail11]

I just posted it.

Even if you agree in principle with what Robbo is saying, he has written it in such a way that it's just yet another pre-season critique of the Collingwood Football Club instead of genuine care for a player's wellbeing.

Agree it's Collingwood critique. In the end Nathan Murphy has a contract with the Collingwood football club to play football. We could pay him out I guess but that would be very cruel if all he wants to do is play pro footy. In the end its his choice to play on. If the AFL have allowed it, then that makes it hard for the pies to say no to him playing.
I think long term him playing on is the wrong choice but that's because im not a 23-24 year old man who still thinks that im invincible. Probably the best call would have been for the AFL to have made the tough call and ban him from playing maybe even given him a nice payout as well to grease the wheels a bit.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

What do you expect from Slobbo & the HUN?

Pandering to the LCD for clickbait without remorse or conscience.

 

[BillyElliott]

seriously ..what a sack of

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imagine writing a piece on such a critical topic that will (re)-shape the game, where the science is clearly continuing to evolve, with experts still trying to differentiate between correlation & causation, and choosing to make such a definitive & conclusive comment about one (1) specific player ..

"But he shouldn’t be playing footy!!

Of all the summer AFL announcements, the December 20 missive that declared the AFL’s concussion panel had passed Murphy to play in 2024, was the most ASTONISHING."

imagine making a comment about that 1 player when you have no access to his medical history / records, ZERO understanding about the health of that one individual and even less expert know-how about the subject you're being so definitive about ..what an embarrassment, what a w***er!

next time you wanna take the paternal, condescending (dressed up as faux care) tone, why don't you lecture all & sundry, yourself included, on a topic you are eminently qualified to wax lyrical about ...

Alcohol-Related Brain Damage

Health Topics: Alcohol and the Brain | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)

Has Slobbo stopped drinking?

 

[BillyElliott]

Can't wait for the fat bald drunk to drop his annual Collingwood bomb on the eve of the season.


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Oh please. That needed a trigger warning

 

[anshell]

Absolutely, as the same argument can clearly be made for Brayshaw but not a mention.

Yes,that article would have applied even more so to Brayshaw since his concussions have been more severe than anything Murphy has experienced.And yet there was no mention of him.Why?Because he isn’t a Collingwood player?

 

[The Phantom]

Agree it's Collingwood critique. In the end Nathan Murphy has a contract with the Collingwood football club to play football. We could pay him out I guess but that would be very cruel if all he wants to do is play pro footy. In the end its his choice to play on. If the AFL have allowed it, then that makes it hard for the pies to say no to him playing.
I think long term him playing on is the wrong choice but that's because im not a 23-24 year old man who still thinks that im invincible. Probably the best call would have been for the AFL to have made the tough call and ban him from playing maybe even given him a nice payout as well to grease the wheels a bit.

That would set a precedent that the afl can’t allow.

Especially with the two pending concussion suits against them.
In fact, in hindsight, it concerns me that not wanting to set a precedent that the AFL could have used against them may have influenced their action and final decision.
Hmmmmh.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Well this is awkward then:

A dominant year in the VFL and an AFL debut at just 18 years old.
Jakob Ryan is the Harry Collier Trophy Winner for best young player. CFC.



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Nope, not awkward at all. I just didn't see it as "dominant". Started slow and built into some really good form late in the first half of the season, but that waned significantly through the 2nd half of the season. His form wasn't even as strong when he was selected to debut as it had been earlier in the season.

The Harry Collier Trophy is for "Best First Year Player" unless I'm mistaken. Yep, he won but I think that says more about the inconsistency of those in the running for the award than it does about the strength of Ryan's season. Best first year player was a short list of potential options of Allan, Ryan, Steene and Richards unless I'm mistaken. All were inconsistent at VFL level but Ryan the only one to get a senior debut.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

During his first preseason people were talking him up as a round 1 chance for memory.

That’s hype is it

 

[magpies42]

I just posted it.

Even if you agree in principle with what Robbo is saying, he has written it in such a way that it's just yet another pre-season critique of the Collingwood Football Club instead of genuine care for a player's wellbeing.

Unfortunately the writing is on the wall for Murphy, I too was surprised he was allowed to continue. He is a concussion away from retirement, I would have preferred this to be in the off season rather than mid season.

The game will struggle to adapt and counter concussion issues and remain relevant.

Best start investing in A League licenses.

 

[Markfs]

It's actually shorter, because we won the flag, and started preseason a bit later.
I'd be happy to take that every year!

i thought that myself but i'm finding it intolerable. I must be living a more boring life than normal

 

[Mollythedolly]

The point is that 4 mids at 75% game time each cover all your centre square midfield minutes. Well play more than 4 mids and some of them will play more than 75% game time, so they'll spend time on flanks and your dream of all of Pendles, Nick and Crisp just playing as mids is an unrealistic dream.

Where did I say "just playing as mids"? I said I preferred them playing midfield, you've invented the rest. Point me to the midfielder we played exclusively as a mid every game in 2023. I can't recall 1. DeGoey was probably the most consistent but even he started forward on occasions, and he missed games (21/26).

 

[Mollythedolly]

You're not getting the idea of roles.

Frampton for Noble would have required a complete change of defensive system.

Markov took Nobles spot in defence - more a credit to Markov than a knock on JN. So then it's whether it was WHE or Noble to chop out in defence and other areas. WHE a pretty easy choice due to flexibility I would have thought.

I addressed the changing roles at the time I suggested Frampton so feel free to revisit those posts.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I still don’t get people that write off 18,19,20 and 21 year olds so quickly.


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Who wrote who off?

 

[Fat Jesus]

Where did I say "just as mids"? I said I preferred them playing midfield, you've invented the rest. Point me to the midfielder we played exclusively as a mid every game in 2023. I can't recall 1. DeGoey was probably the most consistent but even he started forward on occasions, and he missed games (21/26).

Mitchell. Most games

 

[TakingThePies]

Is it possible that nicks been instructed to be more aggressive/rough and to practice it on degoey who’s big enough to handle t?

It's just two mates mucking around....

 

[Mollythedolly]

Mitchell. Most games

Mitchell rotated heavily forward with Adams through the early part of the season.

 

[cityslick1]

I just posted it.

Even if you agree in principle with what Robbo is saying, he has written it in such a way that it's just yet another pre-season critique of the Collingwood Football Club instead of genuine care for a player's wellbeing.

He has def been dining out with extra salt on his steaks after the Collingwood premiership…

 

[Kappa]

seriously ..what a sack of

Sad
Hypocritical
Imbecilic
Tool

imagine writing a piece on such a critical topic that will (re)-shape the game, where the science is clearly continuing to evolve, with experts still trying to differentiate between correlation & causation, and choosing to make such a definitive & conclusive comment about one (1) specific player ..

"But he shouldn’t be playing footy!!

Of all the summer AFL announcements, the December 20 missive that declared the AFL’s concussion panel had passed Murphy to play in 2024, was the most ASTONISHING."

imagine making a comment about that 1 player when you have no access to his medical history / records, ZERO understanding about the health of that one individual and even less expert know-how about the subject you're being so definitive about ..what an embarrassment, what a w***er!

next time you wanna take the paternal, condescending (dressed up as faux care) tone, why don't you lecture all & sundry, yourself included, on a topic you are eminently qualified to wax lyrical about ...

Alcohol-Related Brain Damage

Health Topics: Alcohol and the Brain | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)

I think all the experts agree that people with long history's of head knocks and concussion are much higher risk of long term damage to their health.

 

[Hong Kong Pie]

Bloody hell, that blowhard prick Slobbo just annoys the hell out of me. Maybe the pubs and bars you frequent should take the decision out of YOUR hands, and stop letting you in the door and selling you booze, considering what your body has already gone through.

You dim-witted, loudmouthed malaka

 

[Kappa]

That’s hype is it

Yeah, a rookie playing round 1.

 

[Vicky Park]

I don’t know enough about Murphy’s health and situation to comment on whether he should be playing or not. And as others have noted, the article’s focus on Murphy and Collingwood (to the exclusion of other relevant examples) and the article’s timing (Robbo getting stuck into us again on the eve of the new season), raise questions as to its objectivity (non-existent?).

But if I hear again about the player wanting to play on, and making that decision, I think I’ll scream.

The point of concussion protocols is to take the decision out of the young person’s control, for their own good. Like boring old seat belts and helmets while riding bikes - these save us from ourselves.

You’ve wanted to be an AFL footballer all your life, are very good at it, won a flag at a great club with your mates, have adoring fans, and a nice salary - what 25 year old would willingly give that up?

I hope for our and Murphy’s sake, that we don’t see him suing the club a few years down the track (a la Liam Picken

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). If we don’t it will mean he is healthy, which is the most important thing for him after footy.

 

[Bianconeri]

But if I hear again about the player wanting to play on, and making that decision, I think I’ll scream.

If I hear a bunch of old farts want to take away choice in a young persons life, I think I’ll scream.

 

[sr36]

I don’t know enough about Murphy’s health and situation to comment on whether he should be playing or not. And as others have noted, the article’s focus on Murphy and Collingwood (to the exclusion of other relevant examples) and the article’s timing (Robbo getting stuck into us again on the eve of the new season), raise questions as to its objectivity (non-existent?).

But if I hear again about the player wanting to play on, and making that decision, I think I’ll scream.

The point of concussion protocols is to take the decision out of the young person’s control, for their own good. Like boring old seat belts and helmets while riding bikes - these save us from ourselves.

You’ve wanted to be an AFL footballer all your life, are very good at it, won a flag at a great club with your mates, have adoring fans, and a nice salary - what 25 year old would willingly give that up?

I hope for our and Murphy’s sake, that we don’t see him suing the club a few years down the track (a la Liam Picken). If we don’t it will mean he is healthy, which is the most important thing for him after footy.

Robbo only read the headline about 3 concussions. The study actually suggested that just 1 medium to serious concussion was associated with lesser cognitive ability.

I think we'll eventually draw a line somewhere, there's lots of places you could draw a line - you could draw it at 1, 5, 10, 15, etc - **** you could just ban contact sport if the only priority is long term health, just as we could ban alcohol, processed meats, long work hours, etc. for the same reasons, but I hope we don't and continue to just let people choose things that we know may have negative long term health outcomes.

One thing's for sure, Robbos certainty on the subject is stupidity.

 

[shizzle]

I agree with most of the article, as expected plenty of posters here act like they've been personally attacked? Perhaps calm down a little... Head trauma is serious business and the AFL is not doing enough imo to prevent this.

 

[Vicky Park]

Robbo only read the headline about 3 concussions. The study actually suggested that just 1 medium to serious concussion was associated with lesser cognitive ability.

I think we'll eventually draw a line somewhere, there's lots of places you could draw a line - you could draw it at 1, 5, 10, 15, etc - * you could just ban contact sport if the only priority is long term health, just as we could ban alcohol, processed meats, long work hours, etc. for the same reasons, but I hope we don't and continue to just let people choose things that we know may have negative long term health outcomes.

One thing's for sure, Robbos certainty on the subject is stupidity.

I generally agree with this - although the long term health outcomes of concussions might be more serious than those of consuming processed meats. (Bet I’m about to be told otherwise).

But neither of us are qualified in this area so I’ll finish by saying I very much hope that Murphy is fit to play on, and that he doesn’t suffer the consequences in his post-footy life that others have in his position.