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List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - The Final Countdown
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It doesn’t really make sense taking X Taylor unless the club is of the view that he’s best available. Adding to our bank of defenders doesn’t address deficiencies on our list.
Our midfield is woeful and we came near last in every key metrics across the AFL; and based on this years BnF we squeezed every ounce of ability out of Taranto & Hopper. I know the plan is to introduce or increase the time played in the guts for our 2024 draftees, but amongst that group there’s no natural extractor.
We also need to invest in our forward half. Again, I understand there will be some natural progression within our existing group, but we do need to inject some pace and creativity into the forward line.
I’d be happy if we selected two from Robey, Sharp or Cumming.
Our midfield is woeful and we came near last in every key metrics across the AFL; and based on this years BnF we squeezed every ounce of ability out of Taranto & Hopper. I know the plan is to introduce or increase the time played in the guts for our 2024 draftees, but amongst that group there’s no natural extractor.
We also need to invest in our forward half. Again, I understand there will be some natural progression within our existing group, but we do need to inject some pace and creativity into the forward line.
I’d be happy if we selected two from Robey, Sharp or Cumming.
We won't have a top 5 pick.
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Are people on the Robey train just because of the hype?
To me, his kicking is below AFL standard
To me, his kicking is below AFL standard
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Why Carlton's put all its draft eggs in one Harry Dean-sized basket
Described as 'competitive and combative', Harry Dean is looking to bring those attributes to Carlton where his father Peter was a two-time premiership star
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Yep I’m only on him due to the hype.
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Xavier Taylor joined Dylan Alexander and I last night on our live show to discuss his footy journey as well.
He is a mad Tigers fan too which I loved hearing!
Really good kid, competitive, and has the want / desire to be the best he can be.
Interview below
He is a mad Tigers fan too which I loved hearing!
Really good kid, competitive, and has the want / desire to be the best he can be.
Interview below
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You don't spend pick 3 or 4 (general pool picks) on half back flankers, this is where you draft high end midfielders/defender/forwards.
The second year into a full rebuild, I am very confident we will be getting the two best available.
And if per chance it ends up we end up having a surplus of quality talls or quality defenders because we selected say CDT or Taylor (because all our picks last year and this year make it...probably won't happen but not impossible). Then we will have high end capital to trade into a stronger and deeper draft than this.
The one thing you don't do is 'reach' with a top five pick (as much as that would give pleasure and joy to the clubs with picks just after us) to fill a perceived need when more highly rated players are available.
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I completely understand the 'open pool' philosophy, nonetheless, the reality is that the higher rated players are above where our picks land, Uwland, Patterson, Annable and Dean (maybe) will push our picks out to 7 & 8. Hartley is on the record (numerous times) as stating that this is a very compromised draft, he recognises that our picks aren't worth as much as what they would be in a less compromised draft.
Dan Rioli got us pick 6 and pick 23 in a much stronger and less compromised draft, I would think that Wanganeen-Milera would command 3 x 1st round picks in a trade, Dan Houston was traded for a 1st round pick, plus Noble & Richards and pick 38. Those 3 HBF's are amongst the best in the league and are proven players, ready to go and perceived as 'needle movers' so of course command a higher price than a 1st year draftee.
A rebuilding club won't want to spend high draft capital on established players, what they plan on is drafting players that project to be valuable and needle changers 4-5 years down the track. If our recruiters see that an 18yo has the attributes (high ceiling) then it is worthwhile to spend what amounts to a pick 7 or 8 on a HBF that could prove to be a valuable piece in the jigsaw puzzle of a premiership team.
I think it’s bizarre the way peeps seem to obsess over player position as opposed to talent
Makes no sense for us to draft the best mids in this draft , even though we don’t think they will be good enough to make it in the afl
Best players available pls
Draft talent , trade for needs
If they are talented enough no matter what position they play , they will get games and make us better
More big mids with average skills will not make us better
Makes no sense for us to draft the best mids in this draft , even though we don’t think they will be good enough to make it in the afl
Best players available pls
Draft talent , trade for needs
If they are talented enough no matter what position they play , they will get games and make us better
More big mids with average skills will not make us better
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My perspective on list management: list managers are ALWAYS looking to identify talent that fills a need and bring it to the club using whatever surplus capital (draft picks and/or salary cap) we have available.
In the 2025 trade and draft period, that might look like this:
We'll be spending as close as possible to 95% of the salary cap in 2026 and 2027. We'll build up a warchest to pay our players coming off their first contract, before hitting free agency and the trade table in 2028/2029 to round out the team with 24-28 year olds.
In the 2025 trade and draft period, that might look like this:
- Bring in a delisted young player with elite endurance to try-out for a spot on the wing. Retschko. Tick.
- Pick 3 - draft the very best talent available to us, even if it's another tall (CDT).
- Pick 4 - if we can trade back to get an A-grade flanker or small forward at fair value (usually pick 10-20) then do it. Bank the spare change for a diamond in the rough or for trading next year.
- Late pick / rookie - needs based selection of a project player. I'm guessing it will be a small forward.
We'll be spending as close as possible to 95% of the salary cap in 2026 and 2027. We'll build up a warchest to pay our players coming off their first contract, before hitting free agency and the trade table in 2028/2029 to round out the team with 24-28 year olds.
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Largely agree with this take.
I keep seeing posts about what positional need is most required. The biggest requirement this team needs in its current state of rebuild is talent. Regardless of position, we need to keep adding the most talented players we possibly can.
Second aspect that gets thrown around is player x plays position y. You draft the player not the position. Dont look at what position they play but what attributes a prospect brings.
Disagree. Best available. And there are no available mids without a key weakness or two in this years draft pool. Therefore, if a HBF, or a small forward etc. is deemed best available, that’s what we’ll take IMO.
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Agree best player available
Thats why i think in this years draft which is our 2nd year of a rebuild we need to go that path which coincides with our need's and that is midfielders and not HBF's.
Just about every ranking that comes out has Grlj around #8 and Taylor at a similar level but just about every mock draft has them coming to Richmond supposedly of our 'need' or interest in a running player like Grlj or a Vlastuin replacement Taylor.
Best available at picks #3 + #4 are Robey , Cumming then Sharp
Robey and Cumming would just about complete our midfield along with Lalor , Smillie , Hotton , Seth with a great amount of flexibility amongst that group of players interchanging between HF/Mid
It just makes so much sense
Agree with most of your post except the last part which is bolded
I think 2026 is the year where we just about pay up most of our existing contracts and will have already banked 5% in 2025 & 2026 and will be ready to take 1-2 free agents at the end of 2026 to play 2027
depending on the players available.
End of 2027 after 3 years of banking cap space to max and all kids on the list with added retirements of Lynch , Broad , Prestia and probably Nank and maybe even Vlastuin we would have the most amount of cap space ever seen in the league.
Weird given all of what you wrote here that on average draft rankings (Twomey/hs/rmc/craftofdraft/smythes/pmbangers/edpascoe/dyl Alexander) XT and Grlj both consistently and on average rank above Cumming.
Maybe thats because of the games he missed due to injury and Taylor , Grlj had more exposed games
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Cumming's rating has gone up since he got injured. He was rated worse when playing.
So do rankings matter or not?
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