List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[hangdog]

Hope Wilkie makes a speech tonight and just shuts it all down

By burning a Bulldogs shirt on stage

 

[hangdog]

marshall and steele for sdk and pick 17(20-23 whatever)?

 

[hangdog]

Genuine question to everyone, if Wilkie and Steele go (Big IF on Wilkie) who would be captain? Leadership group last year was those two Wood, Sinclair and Butler. It ain't gonna be Butler obviously, I think Wood will be borderline best 22 moving forward so unlikely and Sinclair doesn't really scream captain to me.

I know our leadership hasn't exactly been fantastic the last few years but losing them is a big dent in that area. Maybe Wood for a couple of years whilst they develop someone like Windy. Hmm interesting times. Could be the making of some younger leaders. Someone left field like Stocker...

I think losing Wilkie would leave too big a hole on a couple of fronts. Just cant see it happening

I think Windhager is leadership material. Hell, i think Higgins could be good also.

 

[Joffaboy]

**** I hate Barrett can't listen to TR after 3.00 pm. He talks such unmitigated shit.

 

[hangdog]

It would have to be be Wilkie for Frejiah and 3 first round picks and Bonts first son or no deal.

Ben Cotton on the live chat (Fox Sports) said 2 x first rounders would be fair for Wilkie.

Fairly shithouse I think it's what he meant

 

[NAS THE GOAT]

Are we getting free flights to Fiji?

We MUST be getting discounted flights with our memberships at the very least!

Not to mention NGA rights to any AFL standard players (M or F) that have ever passed through Fiji

 

[Diehard Saint]

To me, the actual offer, was an off the cuff reaction to missing JSOS, not driven by the strategy of the List Managers, and is a long shot throw at the stumps.
A strategy to get a contracted player doesn't happen over 'the best part of a week' as reported, they would know it would cost a fortune in draft and player capital.
To hear reports they wont trade appropriate players to get the deal done would suggest this was rushed and not thought out.

1000% this.

They’re trying to save face here.
As well as trying to extend us financially after losing JSOS.
They didn’t even think about Wilkie while they were chasing JSOS.

 

[St Steady]

geelong have farms, we have write offable business dealings with fiji

 

[Diehard Saint]

New club sponsor i tink

Playing home games in Fiji??

 

[jwikked]

I think Windhager is leadership material. Hell, i think Higgins could be good also.

Don’t know about Higgins. Seen far too many times he’ll kick a goal and not a single player will get around him. It’s very weird

 

[hangdog]

Commenti? Cammanitti? Are you peanuts trying to trigger us lol

Anthony Camachameleon?

 

[sauce_head]

Now this is cool.

PS: Note the flight number at the end

Hopefully the flight out is 2027…

 

[SainterinSydney]

geelong have farms, we have write offable business dealings with fiji

Nas to be elected PM of Fiji.

 

[Remboy]

By burning a Bulldogs shirt on stage

And some would still say he was making a sacrifice to the Bulldog football gods. Gone.

 

[bladeyy21]

Anything on Flanders? I can't stop refreshing twitter about it. Feel like him in the midfield is now the only missing piece to a really good looking side

 

[cowboy18]

You can't start an arms race without a bit of blowback.

I read this in Bruce Springsteen "Dancing in the Dark" voice.

 

[SainterinSydney]

Maybe we are staying silent on Wilkie because big announcement tonight regarding captaincy?

 

[sauce_head]

So what do we do?
We cannot be matching what the Dogs are offering, surely?
And it really annoys me that we are in this position when he's still contracted for 2 years.
The Dogs are being vindictive because they lost out on JSOS in a "fair fight."

Surely we are not still at this point. We can keep him unless an amazing value proposition trade proposition is put in front of us.

 

[stavro#4]

WATCH ON AFTER BEST AND FAIRESTS

ST KILDA'S best and fairest comes on Monday night as defender Callum Wilkie

44

Callum Wilkie

Age

29

Ht

191cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

221.3

3star

D

12.6

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.6

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

223.1

3star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

MG

170.0

3star

and ruckman Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

weigh trade options.

Though the Saints are not expected to budge on any move for Wilkie if he was to look at moving to the Western Bulldogs on their $4.5 million offer, the Dogs have grown in hope given they have not been knocked back despite presenting the deal almost four weeks ago.

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Wilkie has two years left to run on his deal at St Kilda, as does Marshall, who has spoken to Geelong as the Cats consider the ruckman and he considers a trade request.

The run of best and fairests this week could see trade movement, with players often wanting to get through their club champion award before announcing their plans.

Gold Coast's best and fairest is on Wednesday night, with Sam Flanders expected to land on a preferred destination by the end of this week after meeting St Kilda, Essendon, Melbourne and Carlton last week.


Sam Flanders handballs during Gold Coast's elimination final against Fremantle on September 6, 2025. Picture: Getty Images
Essendon captain Zach Merrett will attend the Bombers' Crichton Medal on Thursday night, while Charlie Curnow

35

Charlie Curnow

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

will be at Carlton's John Nicholls Medal on Saturday night as both of the stars attempt to leave their clubs whilst under respective deals.

Brisbane's best and fairest following its premiership win will be on Thursday, with Callum Ah Chee

4

Callum Ah Chee

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.5

3star

D

11.1

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.1

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

set to request a trade to Adelaide and Brandon Starcevich

4

Brandon Starcevich

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

185.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

187.9

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

181.2

3star

weighing up West Coast's offer.

Hawthorn also holds its best and fairest on Saturday night, although free agent James Worpel

29

James Worpel

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.2

5star

HB

11.3

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

5.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

15.6

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

9.4

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.8

4star

is expected to this week make a definitive call on his future and is expected to join Geelong. – Callum Twomey

 

[Joffaboy]

Ben Cotton on the live chat (Fox Sports) said 2 x first rounders would be fair for Wilkie.

Fairly shithouse I think it's what he meant

WGAF what some random nobody thinks is 'fair'?

 

[akaifu]

Happy to be corrected.

But everyone currently gone or OOC, we assume they are gone.

That’s 9 vacancies. (Including Heath)

Incomings.

TDK
JSOS
Aleer
Ryan
Cmac/Flanders?

Tex Wanganeen (rookie)
Campigli (rookie)
Fincher
Pick 7

So, one in one out if we achieve the above and we want to make more moves.

Contracted players with interest:
Marshall
Wilkie
Steele
Butler
Caminiti

Campigli has a contract offer from the Saints VFL team

As do Lachie Voss and Bailey McKenzie (who we saw training with the Saints squad a month or two ago)

There's also a small whisper that Jack Carroll actually signed a 2-year deal with us so would be contracted for next year but I don't know if that's true or not (could be completely made up but just wanted to put it out there if anyone knows anything)

 

[Hayes4PM]

**** I hate Barrett can't listen to TR after 3.00 pm. He talks such unmitigated shit.

Fortunately for you, there is always the soothing balm of Josh "Jerker" Jenkins paired with him to make it more bearable....





But seriously, Barrett, Brad Johnson and Josh Jenkins. I cannot think of a worse line up. Two know-nothing-know-it-all's and a one eyed Dogs fan with not much between the ears. Tough stuff.

 

[Joffaboy]

I read this in Bruce Springsteen "Dancing in the Dark" voice.

You want Courtney Cox up on stage as well?

 

[True Believer]

By burning a Bulldogs shirt on stage

With a Bulldog in it!!!

Make a real statement.....!!

 

[botts]

**** I hate Barrett can't listen to TR after 3.00 pm. He talks such unmitigated shit.

Yep. I turn it off every time he comes on. They call him purple for a reason