List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part V

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 5

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[akaifu]

not a byrnes fan,but could we make do with he and stocker playing the lock down defender role till hastie or o'connell are ready?

stocker getting first crack then byrnes in the 2nds on standby,as stocker is a bit injury prone & as yet probably isnt an absolute lock

i dont see him being good for any other spot,i think depth is well covered now center and forward

Highly doubt it

Lockdown medium defenders need to also be able to intercept aerially. Probably Byrnes’ biggest weakness

I’m backing in LOC to lock the spot in - jet

 

[Verdun66]

Don’t really understand the Byrnes hate.

If this is supposedly “the worst player on our list”, and he’s running around in the VFL, we’re actually in a very healthy spot as a club.

He’s a strong runner, can competently fill multiple roles (yes I agree he's no superstar), and has 80 games of AFL experience. You don’t need every depth player to be a match-winner, you just need them to be reliable if required.

Come the business end of the year, if injuries hit unexpectedly, having someone like that to call on is exactly what good lists are built on.

I bet Byrnes does a lot of work off the ball that the coaches rate. The spread, zoning, pressuring etc etc. Stuff we don’t really see. I was at a game last year (one of the rare ones) and for a change I could watch around the field. Rather than what the tv gives you.

I can’t say I watched Byrnes much, but I did notice him popping up both back and forward. And it is interesting at a game when a turnover occurs. The racing back to cover is absolutely gut busting. Byrnes is always one of those guys. He clearly does what the coaches want.

I am sure the more knowledgeable of our supporters could describe what he (and his type) do in a team. Not about how many disposals or the glamour stuff.

 

[phantom13]

I bet Byrnes does a lot of work off the ball that the coaches rate. The spread, zoning, pressuring etc etc. Stuff we don’t really see. I was at a game last year (one of the rare ones) and for a change I could watch around the field. Rather than what the tv gives you.

I can’t say I watched Byrnes much, but I did notice him popping up both back and forward. And it is interesting at a game when a turnover occurs. The racing back to cover is absolutely gut busting. Byrnes is always one of those guys. He clearly does what the coaches want.

I am sure the more knowledgeable of our supporters could describe what he (and his type) do in a team. Not about how many disposals or the glamour stuff.

Byrnes works his absolute ass off and does a defensive wing type role, he cuts off alot of angles and outlets with the fit running and as much as I lament him getting picked because he’s really limited footy in hand (or honestly even getting the footy) it is really obvious why Ross and coaches in general would love him.

You get zero stats for cutting off a leading lane through effort and discipline but coaches see it

 

[wannabewinner]

Byrnes works his absolute ass off and does a defensive wing type role, he cuts off alot of angles and outlets with the fit running and as much as I lament him getting picked because he’s really limited footy in hand (or honestly even getting the footy) it is really obvious why Ross and coaches in general would love him.

You get zero stats for cutting off a leading lane through effort and discipline but coaches see it

So, the next Macqualter / Eddy type.

 

[Remboy]

I bet Byrnes does a lot of work off the ball that the coaches rate. The spread, zoning, pressuring etc etc. Stuff we don’t really see. I was at a game last year (one of the rare ones) and for a change I could watch around the field. Rather than what the tv gives you.

I can’t say I watched Byrnes much, but I did notice him popping up both back and forward. And it is interesting at a game when a turnover occurs. The racing back to cover is absolutely gut busting. Byrnes is always one of those guys. He clearly does what the coaches want.

I am sure the more knowledgeable of our supporters could describe what he (and his type) do in a team. Not about how many disposals or the glamour stuff.

Spot on. I heard Marshall say last year that if play the role that’s been asked of you Ross is your best mate but if you don’t you’re out the door. Byrnes does a lot of stuff the coaches like.

 

[Remboy]

Byrnes works his absolute ass off and does a defensive wing type role, he cuts off alot of angles and outlets with the fit running and as much as I lament him getting picked because he’s really limited footy in hand (or honestly even getting the footy) it is really obvious why Ross and coaches in general would love him.

You get zero stats for cutting off a leading lane through effort and discipline but coaches see it

I agree. I just think you don’t automatically get better by delisting Byrnes, you get better by drafting and trading better players in so that instead of Byrnes being 25-30 on your list he is 35-40.

 

[phantom13]

So, the next Macqualter / Eddy type.

I stand to be corrected but Eddy and McQualter played more defensive forward roles didn’t they? Eddy definitely didn’t have the gut busting run and acceleration Byrnes has

 

[wannabewinner]

I stand to be corrected but Eddy and McQualter played more defensive forward roles didn’t they? Eddy definitely didn’t have the gut busting run and acceleration Byrnes has

So a poor outside version who gets less ball of Clint Jones?

 

[phantom13]

So a poor outside version who gets less ball of Clint Jones?

No clint was an out and out tagger who won a shitload of his own ball but genuinely couldn’t kick. Byrnes doesn’t just play on an opponent.

He’s more like a poor man’s Ed Langdon imo.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Iv never seen so many messages about a bloke who if not on our list would not be on another , lets move too the the ones taking us forward

 

[saintmike65]

The Cripps sleeper agent play finally pays off

Holding on to veteran players too long has really hurt west coast

 

[goodie23]

I may well be flogging a dead horse here, but I hope like hell we are inviting Jackson Voss down to trial for the remaining spot on our list. Deserves to be looked at and from a list management point of view I think he's a need.

Voss, Wanganeen and Hibbins-Hargreaves - invite them down and let them battle it out.

Hibbins-Hargreaves will probably have a few clubs sniffing about, being a Peninsula boy we might have the inside track. He might go elsewhere where there's better than a one in three chance though

 

[gringo2011]

I may well be flogging a dead horse here, but I hope like hell we are inviting Jackson Voss down to trial for the remaining spot on our list. Deserves to be looked at and from a list management point of view I think he's a need.

Voss, Wanganeen and Hibbins-Hargreaves - invite them down and let them battle it out.

It looks like we probably don't have a spot for them. If Said comes back is that our roster full?

 

[gringo2011]

I bet Byrnes does a lot of work off the ball that the coaches rate. The spread, zoning, pressuring etc etc. Stuff we don’t really see. I was at a game last year (one of the rare ones) and for a change I could watch around the field. Rather than what the tv gives you.

I can’t say I watched Byrnes much, but I did notice him popping up both back and forward. And it is interesting at a game when a turnover occurs. The racing back to cover is absolutely gut busting. Byrnes is always one of those guys. He clearly does what the coaches want.

I am sure the more knowledgeable of our supporters could describe what he (and his type) do in a team. Not about how many disposals or the glamour stuff.

Lyon has always run a couple of guys who are pure role players. They often end up the whipping boys but are loved inside the club for their contribution, allowing others to play better. Sydney had a few too. Sydney often have players leave and look better at other clubs because unshackled they run free.

I think Byrnes end to end running coupled with what ever he does must be rated internally because it gets him a run over more talented players.

 

[gringo2011]

So, the next Macqualter / Eddy type.

Mini was a defensive small forward before it was fashionable. His role was to stop the balling out of our 50 instead of scoring. Now it's commonplace. Eddy was like a utility tagger or something. Can't even really remember how he played to be honest but looked a pure role player. Lyon had a few at Freo too. Guys like DeBoer were GOPs that got games because they were able to stick to a task all day.

 

[gringo2011]

So a poor outside version who gets less ball of Clint Jones?

Clint was a tagger who could win his own ball in tight. Probably not really an equivalent back then. As Phantom said Byres is the defensive wingman and they weren't really that common 10+ years ago. At least not in the sense of that being your first priority as a wing. Not many have the endurance for it even now.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Iv never seen so many messages about a bloke who if not on our list would not be on another , let move on the the ones taking us forward

 

[gringo2011]

Holding on to veteran players too long has really hurt west coast

They are looking a lot like the post Lyon Saints. Bad list management decisions, poor drafting, confused direction etc.

 

[phantom13]

They are looking a lot like the post Lyon Saints. Bad list management decisions, poor drafting, confused direction etc.

It’s hard to even name their potential talent.

Reid obviously but everyone is just waiting for him to leave. Ginbey? I guess now Duursma? If you’re a shit team you usually at least have some kids to enjoy watching develop and create hope, not sure west coast even have that right now.

 

[gringo2011]

It’s hard to even name their potential talent.

Reid obviously but everyone is just waiting for him to leave. Ginbey? I guess now Duursma? If you’re a shit team you usually at least have some kids to enjoy watching develop and create hope, not sure west coast even have that right now.

Reid is the talent but he's a chaotic force inside the club. He isn't committed and he seems to want all the glory without the effort. Hopefully he gets a wake up call and turns into what he projected at for their sake. Ginbey looks a good player but not projecting absolutely elite. More Seb Ross than Danger IMO.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

I may well be flogging a dead horse here, but I hope like hell we are inviting Jackson Voss down to trial for the remaining spot on our list. Deserves to be looked at and from a list management point of view I think he's a need.

Voss, Wanganeen and Hibbins-Hargreaves - invite them down and let them battle it out.

I'd be inviting Tom Blamires too

 

[CaptainRisky]

Highly doubt it

Lockdown medium defenders need to also be able to intercept aerially. Probably Byrnes’ biggest weakness

I’m backing in LOC to lock the spot in - jet

A jet , he may end up a jet but he has a long way to go , Talk about Mayo lol

 

[hayes]

Reid is the talent but he's a chaotic force inside the club. He isn't committed and he seems to want all the glory without the effort. Hopefully he gets a wake up call and turns into what he projected at for their sake. Ginbey looks a good player but not projecting absolutely elite. More Seb Ross than Danger IMO.

Ginbey is looking like a bust. They’ve butchered their first rounders mostly by trading them away and including guys like Owies who was OOC for them as well. It’s diabolical list management, they’ll be down longer than North IMO.

 

[Miha]

Voss can be the Sincs replacement?

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Ginbey is looking like a bust. They’ve butchered their first rounders mostly by trading them away and including guys like Owies who was OOC for them as well. It’s diabolical list management, they’ll be down longer than North IMO.

What happened to Ginbey thought he was on track?

Ive watched 0 WC eagles games in the last 5 years though.