List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[Sainter88]

JSOS’s mum > Goober’s mum > Stiffler’s mum

Not only do you have great memes/gifs you have the finest of taste in women.

 

[Joffaboy]

Way to twist my words.

The list AS IS, is it enough to win a flag Joffa?

Evidently not unless a miracle occurs. That’s why the club uses its cap space to bring in new talent.

Every single player you listed would be a stkilda listed player for 5+ years had they taken our deal.

You know who you want to earn the equivalent money? nas… on a significantly shorter deal.

And then you make it about the club being at fault again.

No words twisted at all. You said we had no new talent. We have a great bunch of kids that should rise over the next few years.
I don't care about length of contract, we need his signature on the contract, if he wants 2 at 2 million give it.
If we can't keep him for 2028, we have stuffed up completely and need to take the draft capital.
All these scenarios about no new talent is just rubbish. Say we don't get TDK, we still have say a million a year to shake a tree and get a salary dump etc.
We are allowed to go after talent next year. Butters is OOC, for example.

To flag we have millions then get pissy because your best player wants some of it is incredibly short sighted by the club in my view.

 

[Richter]

Can we, though? 1.7 to Nas, 1.7 to TDK, presumably around 1 to King. That's a bit under a quarter of the salary cap taken up by 3 players on long term contracts. 4.4 mil would typically pay for 6-7 starting 18 players.

The obvious answer to me is to pull the TDK offer. Pay Nas what we need to keep him, and let Marshall ruck for the next few years as Dodson develops.

I tend to agree msg.

At the time that we made the TDK offer it wasn't so clear how good through the midfield that Nas was going to be.

Now that we can see just what a gun NAS is... well the TDK argument just isn't as strong.

Keep NAS, get Philipou and King back on the park, see if we can make some incremental improvements elsewhere...

And then next year see if we can sell the progress of the club not just to NAS but to free agents too. We'd still have a massive warchest, not having given it all to TDK.

 

[SainterinSydney]

"Did you hear? We signed Nas for $2 million per kick for 6 months"

 

[Tom12]

I don't see how we trade Nas to Port without Butters being in the deal.

 

[no talent id]

What round of the draft is Bevan Phillipou expected to be drafted?

I’ve seen highlights of him and he’s looks to be a fluid left footer like his brother. But beyond that I know little about him.

What do the draft watchers think of him? What are his strengths and weaknesses?

He is a right footer to be fair but it is pretty hard to tell cause he is as natural on both sides as the best

 

[akaifu]

Can we, though? 1.7 to Nas, 1.7 to TDK, presumably around 1 to King. That's a bit under a quarter of the salary cap taken up by 3 players on long term contracts. 4.4 mil would typically pay for 6-7 starting 18 players.

The obvious answer to me is to pull the TDK offer. Pay Nas what we need to keep him, and let Marshall ruck for the next few years as Dodson develops.

Extract from a recent article:

But as one veteran list manager said this week, paying your stars is never a problem under a salary cap and marketing fund that will combine for just under $20 million by the 2027 season.

They just have to perform every single week or you are dangerously exposed

“You can just about pay your top 10 players 50 per cent of the cap and get away with it if they play in the right positions,” the list boss said.

“A key forward, a key back, midfielders. A ruckman if your coach rates them.

“You just have to ask where you are in your cycle. Can you compete for a flag? Are you rebuilding? Then you need real clarity about what positions are important to your coach? Then you pay players in those positions the most.”

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footys-salary-cap-explained-and-which-clubs-are-ready-to-strike-this-offseason/news-story/c6dcefd0e645fb0532ba1a10a7b8328f?giftid=SWDKBKMvZd

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Way to twist my words.

The list AS IS, is it enough to win a flag Joffa?

Evidently not unless a miracle occurs. That’s why the club uses its cap space to bring in new talent.

Every single player you listed would be a stkilda listed player for 5+ years had they taken our deal.

You know who you want to earn the equivalent money? nas… on a significantly shorter deal.

And then you make it about the club being at fault again.

So we're clearly not up to it right now...is the answer to our problems to bring in a ruck who is as good as our current ruck but twice the price?

Keeping in mind that this new ruck is useless unless he's the number one ruck and will be on a seven year contract which means there basically zero chance of us retaining Dodson throughout that time.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Extract from a recent article:

But as one veteran list manager said this week, paying your stars is never a problem under a salary cap and marketing fund that will combine for just under $20 million by the 2027 season.

They just have to perform every single week or you are dangerously exposed

“You can just about pay your top 10 players 50 per cent of the cap and get away with it if they play in the right positions,” the list boss said.

“A key forward, a key back, midfielders. A ruckman if your coach rates them.

“You just have to ask where you are in your cycle. Can you compete for a flag? Are you rebuilding? Then you need real clarity about what positions are important to your coach? Then you pay players in those positions the most.”

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footys-salary-cap-explained-and-which-clubs-are-ready-to-strike-this-offseason/news-story/c6dcefd0e645fb0532ba1a10a7b8328f?giftid=SWDKBKMvZd

Have to perform each week or you're dangerously exposed. Seems like we're already in a pretty dangerous position with our star key forward unable to get close to playing a game, while chewing up a huge chunk of that cap. Seems like taking on a surplus to needs ruck on the biggest contract in the history of the sport is another unnecessary, dangerous move which could cost us our developing youth who will get higher offers from clubs with a more sane salary cap situation

 

[Dard Ball Get]

So we're clearly not up to it right now...is the answer to our problems to bring in a ruck who is as good as our current ruck but twice the price?

Keeping in mind that this new ruck is useless unless he's the number one ruck and will be on a seven year contract which means there basically zero chance of us retaining Dodson throughout that time.

Are you deliberately omitting the other moving parts to that scenario, or just not comprehending them?

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

at this point Im happy to have Nas on the list. I mean, just Nas. Nas vs the oppo 22. Give him the whole damn cap afaic

 

[botts]

Monday is cut off day. If he hasn’t signed by them I reckon he’s gone. Hope I’m wrong

 

[akaifu]

Monday is cut off day. If he hasn’t signed by them I reckon he’s gone. Hope I’m wrong

Imo it'll drag out for at least another couple weeks. Probably to the end of the season tbh

 

[Leap of Faith]

I tend to agree msg.

At the time that we made the TDK offer it wasn't so clear how good through the midfield that Nas was going to be.

Now that we can see just what a gun NAS is... well the TDK argument just isn't as strong.

Keep NAS, get Philipou and King back on the park, see if we can make some incremental improvements elsewhere...

And then next year see if we can sell the progress of the club not just to NAS but to free agents too. We'd still have a massive warchest, not having given it all to TDK.

I'm reading a few times now about how much better we'll be with Max King back playing. He's played 83 out of 137 possible by the end of this season. But in the last 3 years, 23 out of 69. That's 33% including 3 games subbed off. I seriously hope his contract has performance and minimum game clauses in it. Very optimistic to imagine that he's going to become the solid, dominant KPF we were all hoping for and no way the club should be putting all their apples in that basket going forward when it comes to developing the forward line.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Are you deliberately omitting the other moving parts to that scenario, or just not comprehending them?

What parts? The banked cap space that can slightly reduce TDK's cost after next year by front ending the contract? The draft pick that will end up in the 30s that we get for Marshall?

Neither of those factors move the needle for me at all.

 

[Sainter88]

There’s a balance and our current offer doesn’t go near that.

**** me last week stav and co were adamant we

at this point Im happy to have Nas on the list. I mean, just Nas. Nas vs the oppo 22. Give him the whole damn cap afaic

Remember AFL 98 where you could change the size of the players? I don’t care if it’s NAS and 21 other teammates that are the size of ants at this point

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Imo it'll drag out for at least another couple weeks. Probably to the end of the season tbh

if he's not signed by this time next year we're in trouble

 

[mad-saint-guy]

I'm reading a few times now about how much better we'll be with Max King back playing. He's played 83 out of 137 possible by the end of this season. But in the last 3 years, 23 out of 69. That's 33% including 3 games subbed off. I seriously hope his contract has performance and minimum game clauses in it. Very optimistic to imagine that he's going to become the solid, dominant KPF we were all hoping for and no way the club should be putting all their apples in that basket going forward when it comes to developing the forward line.

Was drafted in the same off season as Wilkie so could have played 150

 

[Sully111]

at this point Im happy to have Nas on the list. I mean, just Nas. Nas vs the oppo 22. Give him the whole damn cap afaic

Looking forward to seeing him set up for a set shot only to pass it off to himself, double side step then get done holding the ball.

 

[austinnn]

The history of the club since our first and last premiership back in the dark old days where decimal currency had just come in, has been supposed rebuild, after rebuild, after rebuild over and over..it's a bullsh*t excuse for failure from the top to bottom.

That is a very black and white read of our history and sounds like the kind of bollocks you hear Carlton supporters say about us. Plenty of mitigating circumstances that don't come anywhere near excuses. We're all frustrated but that is just garbage

 

[Sainter88]

if he's not signed by this time next year we're in trouble

Yeah but hang on…the uncle of the guy who laid the turf at Moorabbin told me he’s staying.

 

[BrutThough]

I don't see how we trade Nas to Port without Butters being in the deal.

They don't. They have no assets to get someone of this quality

 

[Dard Ball Get]

What parts? The banked cap space that can slightly reduce TDK's cost after next year by front ending the contract? The draft pick that will end up in the 30s that we get for Marshall?

Neither of those factors move the needle for me at all.

Comprehension it is then

 

[SainterinSydney]

Monday is cut off day. If he hasn’t signed by them I reckon he’s gone. Hope I’m wrong

Never put a time limit on the greed of a South Australian manager.

 

[stfan]

Yea but you should always want more money earlier. That’s not a bad thing…

Not always if the total payment ends up a lot more attractive.

The total $$$ could well be a lot less than St Kilda $2.8 million PLUS Adelaide average contract starting in 2 years compared with whatever the total is now.


Plus the $2 million a year for 2 years has not actually been confirmed has it? Or did I miss an announcement?