List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[akaifu]

 

[jwikked]

Lyon post-match, R20: 'Our young players never gave up, and our leaders never gave up'

Watch St Kilda’s press conference after round 20’s match against Melbourne

www.afl.com.au

 

[SaintOfLondon]

I’m confused when people say “just pay him what he wants” as if he has put forward a number and we aren’t willing to pay it

 

[botts]

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Man I hope they know something we don’t

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I’m confused when people say “just pay him what he wants” as if he has put forward a number and we aren’t willing to pay it

Yet another worn and redundant saying on here!

 

[Hayes4PM]

Lyon post-match, R20: 'Our young players never gave up, and our leaders never gave up'

Watch St Kilda’s press conference after round 20’s match against Melbourne

www.afl.com.au

Hahaha trying to keep it dour after we didn't jsut watch him giggling in the coaches box, come onnnnnnnn Ross

 

[D2D3]

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Yeah in English would be handy but they look happy

 

[exzact]

Lyon post-match, R20: 'Our young players never gave up, and our leaders never gave up'

Watch St Kilda’s press conference after round 20’s match against Melbourne

www.afl.com.au

Full disclosure im a saints nuffy and believe all I am doing is coping

BUT - in the presser ross says "He will be tagged more and we will support him more". My coping says this is entirely future projection and seems to indicate more likely he stays... surely?

 

[topbillings]

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I don’t know what this means. Are Bongos a good thing? Do we want Bongos for longer? Can you have too many Bongos?

 

[botts]

Lyon post-match, R20: 'Our young players never gave up, and our leaders never gave up'

Watch St Kilda’s press conference after round 20’s match against Melbourne

www.afl.com.au

Sounds like he truely doesn’t know if he is staying. I hope he is actually just a really good poker player

 

[stavro#4]

Are the port board offering Butters yet?

 

[exzact]

Are the port board offering Butters yet?

Offering half their list they reckon XD

 

[Yawkey way]

Are the port board offering Butters yet?

And then ? Plus a first, and then ? Plus Whitlock, and then ?.

 

[Sully111]

Lyon post-match, R20: 'Our young players never gave up, and our leaders never gave up'

Watch St Kilda’s press conference after round 20’s match against Melbourne

www.afl.com.au

Yeah Ross saying we'll do what we can to keep him doesn't fill me with confidence that anything has been agreed on.

 

[stavro#4]

And then ? Plus a first, and then ? Plus Whitlock, and then ?.

Was more a joke for their opinion being they would get him for a half eaten snickers and retain all their fun players.

Ask phantom13

 

[L_W_P]

You’re preaching to an evangelical minister about the academies, but I reject the idea that we have to be an almost perfect organisation to attract talent.

I put it to you that if we had managed to get just a handful of drafts between 2003 - 2020 right, then we wouldn’t have been in a death spiral for 15 years. Instead of keeping it simple and doing the obvious, we went on draft gambling benders.

Melbourne, Richmond, Dogs, blues, hawks all built off a strong draft base, adding players to fill needs after setting up with good drafting. You could say the same about Collingwood, their best players came via the draft… FS issues aside.

Since you started with Raph Clarke in 03, let's have a look at some of the misses these teams had in that time...

Carlton:
Jordan Russell (P9)
Adam Harlett (P25)
Paul Bower (20)

Collingwood:
Billy Morrison (P17)
Chris Egan (P10)
Sean Rusling (P23)
Danny Stanley (21)
Ryan Cook (23)

Hawthorn:
Harry Miller (25)
Tom Murphy (21)
Matt Little (25)
Beau Dowler (6)
Beau Muston (22)

Melbourne:
Matt Bate (13)

Richmond:
Alex Gilmour (P21)
Richard Tambling (4)
Danny Meyer (12)
Adam Pattison (16)
Dean Polo (20)
Jarrad Oakleigh-Nicholls (8)
Cleve Hughes (24)

Western Bulldogs:
Tom Williams (6)
Jesse Wells (22)

With the academy systems, father sons, and FA compensation coming in the first round usually blows out to 25ish picks.

I'm only THREE years in and look at how many top 25 picks these teams burned. Not just how many they burned but look at how many they had!

We only get 1, maybe 2, realistic chances at top talent these days.

Getting priority picks was a massive boost for the Hawks (Roughead & Ellis) and Pies (Thomas). Even the Tigers took theirs (Deledio) and traded him with that last roll of the dice effort in the 2016 off-season.

Given our poor development of a lot of our talented kids over the years we are really needing to nail every pick every year.

If the Lions/Suns/Swans/Giants miss on a top 10 prospect then who cares? They have 2-3 more coming in the next year or two anyway.

If Jagga Smith doesn't work for the Blues it's not a disaster, they have two first round father sons coming through.

If Nic Cox falls down for Essendon it sucks, but they got Kako last year and another kid this year for basically nothing, on top of their natural first round picks.

THAT is the issue with the system.

The clubs we are talking about, the "big clubs" with the historical success all built on the draft but they all had multiple bites of the cherry over multiple years with priority picks.

Except the Pies also got Father Sons. Cloke, Shaw, Moore, Daicos etc And IQ as a 1st round NGA kid.

The Dees (Gawn) and Tigers (Dusty) had to draft and develop GOAT level players to get to the top and both of them nearly failed.

Max Gawn did his knee 2 or 3 times and was a heavy smoker as a kid, didn't take training seriously. And we all know Dusty's issues.

The Dogs traded their captain & top pick for a 19 year old, paid him $1mil a year when less than 10 players in the comp earned that, and still had to run the table from 7th. Oh and they had father son players like Libba & Hunter...

The Blues never won a flag even though they drafted and developed 2x Coleman Medal winners and a 2x Brownlow Medalist who the umpires say just had the GOAT season.

I know we're on the same side man but the reality is that we are the Sacramento Kings/New Orleans Pelicans/Charlotte Hornets of this comp.

Small market, semi development/feeder team, making up the numbers with the way the system works ATM.

If the AFL is serious about developing an even comp then they would seriously look at mechanisms to fix this but they aren't serious so they won't.

As it is clubs like ours and North just have to pray that we nail 5-8 years of perfect drafting and development and then pray again that everyone stays healthy and then pray once more that every stays with the club to get back to finals.

 

[aidansbonor]

Nas putting the club on his back at 22yo, so proud of him honestly.

 

[SainterinSydney]

It would be a Greek tragedy if he leaves

 

[billings2paddy]

Are the port board offering Butters yet?

Butters, Whitlock, Berry plus 2 x 1sts
Still not enough

 

[L_W_P]

It would be a Greek tragedy if he leaves

I honestly think it would break more people than most realize.

We finally nail an absolutely elite player, Ross is developing him from a HB into a legit Megastar midfielder, and he leaves to go home?

That's soul destroying stuff.

 

[phantom13]

Was more a joke for their opinion being they would get him for a half eaten snickers and retain all their fun players.

Ask phantom13

Yeh someone in there today who has been going on and on about “you’ll take what you get” after today just posted “butters and berry”.

I replied “that’s a nice start, keep going”.

 

[my name was taken]

I honestly think it would break more people than most realize.

We finally nail an absolutely elite player, Ross is developing him from a HB into a legit Megastar midfielder, and he leaves to go home?

That's soul destroying stuff.

Absolutely, it's been over a decade since the billings, mccartin draft fluffs. We have waited that long, I don't want to wait again.

 

[CHBench]

Yeah Ross saying we'll do what we can to keep him doesn't fill me with confidence that anything has been agreed on.

I guess if you're Ben Williams, and your client is improving on a weekly basis, and they've just done that - the needle moves again on $$$$.

But my St Kilda hat says this MUST be the week to capitalize on the result and secure his signature. Has to be

 

[_Maximus_12]

We just watched our next premiership captain but the entire afl world on notice.

 

[Yawkey way]

Was more a joke for their opinion being they would get him for a half eaten snickers and retain all their fun players.

Ask phantom13

Sadly I’m well aware of that but I was talking worth.