List Mgmt. 2025 List Management II 📃

[Aphrodite]

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Sydney's 1st pick is not attractive in a draft that lacks quality depth.
We are much better to keep a core group and make smart decisions & build around them.

Only way a deal gets done is if it is too good a offer to refuse whether that is players or high draft picks.

Bottoming out serves no purpose at all, under the current system around free agency & Academy picks very difficult to rebuild from the bottom now.

Maybe the core group is the problem. I mean the current core group has delivered one PF since the 2015 draft haul and subsequent drafts. But lets keep em cos they've got contracts.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

We need more guns, not less

More guns means there’s less room for B and C grade players and more VFL at best types on our list. We need a much better spread rather than looking to bring in another gun player. Our depth is already a weakness

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

We need more guns, not less

We dont need guns. we need a better team.

 

[gbatman]

Couple of things - Why on earth would Silvagni choose to go to the Pies with a list that is about to fall off a cliff over say going to the Bulldogs where he could be the difference between them just missing finals and being a top 4 chance.

Secondly we will just get AFL compo for Silvagni - fingers crossed it is an end of first round pick at worst.

Third - if we picked up Butters I really don't see where Cerra fits - Walsh, Butters, Smith, Cripps, Hewett and Lord running through the midfield with Moir, Williams & Motlop (possibly E Hollands) rotating through from the forward line - I just can't see Cerra fitting in (despite our 5 years contract extension)

Fourth - if Butters leaves next year Port will be in a similar position to us with TDK - getting screwed over with a mid first round pick - so if we were able to offer them our TDK compensation, our Silvagni compensation - McGovern who does help fill a need down back (and I would even throw in Cerra if possible) - they might be tempted

Cerra, we could trade from our mids then. But I'd look at returning him to a wing where in his early days he was trending to be elite.

 

[Zlatan]

Cerra, we could trade from our mids then. But I'd look at returning him to a wing where in his early days he was trending to be elite.

When Cerra is on he’s an absolute beast especially with his ball use. We just forget because we haven’t seen good performances from almost every single player for 18 months for various reasons.

If we wanted to experiment, I’d have Cripps spend 70% third forward / 30% midfield. Has the height, saves his body from constant brutal hits, lets Jagga and Lord get more midfield minutes to change the mix, and stops (reduces) Cripps from continuously trying to play hero ball.

 

[Wickzki]

Maybe the core group is the problem. I mean the current core group has delivered one PF since the 2015 draft haul and subsequent drafts. But lets keep em cos they've got contracts.

It was our inability to truly add to that core group between 2016 and 2019 Walsh falling in our laps aside that's the massive issue with our list right now

Seriously. When TDK signs with St Kilda and don't re-sign McGovern we're left with just Walsh and Kemp from these national drafts, Pittonet who was a very cheap trade, Nic Newman who was had for a 4th rounder and Matt Cottrell who was a preseason supplemental pick.

5 players total from years two to five of our rebuild. The only star among them is Walsh. Cottrell and Kemp may never be the same again, Newman is 33 in January coming off an ACL and Pittonet isn't a world beater

 

[BlueTongue]

I admit that I have criticized Charlie this season for his lack of effort.
I just wonder if not having a preseason, having minor surgery and not being 100% fit had anything to do with that.

I've criticized him plenty this year. Maybe some not deserved, but IMO if you are deemed fit, you are expected to perform, so Injury doesn't cut it. The SC is as much to blame as Charlie I guess.

There was absolutely no reason to keep playing him if his injuries were that bad.
It's not like he was in form and saving us every week. It was a perfect opportunity to be playing the current forwards (Hud-o, Moir) earlier, and we could have even had McGovern in from the start of the year as a forward, given is inconsistency in defense.

My biggest issue with Charlie is his laconic attitude. I guess that's the sort of care-free attitude that comes with most surfers, but if you have one as a spearhead that you rely on heavily for score, it becomes old very quickly.

No doubt he'd fit right in in Geelong, not just because they are chilled, but because there would not be the same expectation put on him, as they have multiple avenues to goal, and he wouldn't be expected to win games off his own boot.

He is an unstoppable force when he's 'On' and I'd hate to see him go, but he's really the type of player that needs quality delivery, and unfortunately that aint us at present.

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

We dont need guns. we need a better team.

Probably a bit of both.

 

[Benaly28]

So since we still haven’t heard, does anyone think TDK is a chance to stay?

Have a look at his speech in the rooms after the game and you might get your answer.

 

[BlueTongue]

I'm not kidding myself in any way. I'd love him to stay but the signs indicate he's gone. Isn't a bidding war what we want if he's made the decision to depart?

Yeah you're probably right, if he HAS made the decision to leave, there's not a lot we can do about it.

I still think we'd be better served upping our offer by a bit ($50-$100k) than going out and trying to find a replacement.

We'd been paying Gov $800k per season since he was recruited until 2023 (after then I'm unsure how much P/S) but now there's a cap increase, I think it's a bit of a slap in the face to offer JSOS a 'Take it or leave it' deal that's less than what McGovern was earning 8 years ago. And McGovern's form isn't as reliable as Jack.

 

[carlton_99]

Burton delisted at Port. Have always liked him since Hawks days. Could be a cheap get as some depth. Think a few on here were also previously interested in Dylan Williams who has been delisted as well.

 

[BlueTongue]

Thats the issue though, he hasn't. We have been non competitive this season and miles off it.

A large part of that is because he hasn't done enough to address the lack of quality ball users we have on our list and our woeful small forward stocks. Same thing last year.

It's all well and good to build to future proof the list but its utterly ridiculous to do so while u have Cripps, Curnow, Mckay, Weitering, Walsh and others in their primes desperately in need of some complimentary role players by their side.

Probably why theres been murmurs of some of that group wanting to leave. Imagine being Curnow and Mckay and having to deal with the ball use they've received over the last few years while they watch Jeremy Cameron and others getting hit on the tit time after time every week by competent ball users.

Yeah it's chicken and egg stuff though. Can't address the ball users if you're throwing big $$ trying to woo whomever you can, then you really have to nail them if you're spending the $$.

Unfortunately, Cerra has been a bust, williams has the skills, but his body is unreliable, Gov plays a good game when he feels like it, most likely against a nobody team and not when we need him to lift against a quality opponent. Then you have 25+ years of contract tied up in 3 KP players.

I think Austin is good at finding a diamond in the rough, but our list management & contracts are pandering to the few.

 

[BlueLocke]

Burton delisted at Port. Have always liked him since Hawks days. Could be a cheap get as some depth. Think a few on here were also previously interested in Dylan Williams who has been delisted as well.

Beautiful kick but body is made of tissue paper.

Wouldn’t mind looking at Soldo as cheap ruck insurance though (assuming he leaves/is delisted).

 

[carlton_99]

Beautiful kick but body is made of tissue paper.

Wouldn’t mind looking at Soldo as cheap ruck insurance though (assuming he leaves/is delisted).

Yeh the injury issues with Burton are a fair point

 

[SolGoodman]

Finlayson wouldn't be the worst depth pick up in the world considering he'd be cheap you'd think.

Similar in his inconsistencies to Gov, but much, much cheaper.

 

[King Cripps]

Gulden would be the best case scenario. Exactly what we need. Like I said, I think it'll be very difficult, I can't even recall player for player trades at

Gulden would be the best case scenario. Exactly what we need. Like I said, I think it'll be very difficult, I can't even recall player for player trades at this level happening...
How would you like this hypothetical trade Fusion? 3 way trade Curnow to Swans, Warner to the Weagles and Harley Reid to the Blues ?
Time will tell I suppose...

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

I just want to win flags.
Don’t care who we have to trade to get there.
Surprised 100% of supporters don’t feel the same!!

 

[Addy23]

Beautiful kick but body is made of tissue paper.

Wouldn’t mind looking at Soldo as cheap ruck insurance though (assuming he leaves/is delisted).

Would you give your last pick away for Soldo? He wont be delisted as he's in contract but Port will take anything they get imo.

Finlayson wouldn't be the worst depth pick up in the world considering he'd be cheap you'd think.

Similar in his inconsistencies to Gov, but much, much cheaper.

I'd be very careful about recruiting Finlayson. Its been 2 years now where his mind and heart aren't in the right place (for obvious reasons). His attitude and commitment has fallen off a cliff since his first couple years at Port

 

[Benaly28]

Tomorrow’s exit interviews will be highly interesting to say the least.

 

[Benaly28]

Would you give your last pick away for Soldo? He wont be delisted as he's in contract but Port will take anything they get imo.

I'd be very careful about recruiting Finlayson. Its been 2 years now where his mind and heart aren't in the right place (for obvious reasons). His attitude and commitment has fallen off a cliff since his first couple years at Port

While your in here what’s happened to Burton?

 

[SolGoodman]

Would you give your last pick away for Soldo? He wont be delisted as he's in contract but Port will take anything they get imo.

I'd be very careful about recruiting Finlayson. Its been 2 years now where his mind and heart aren't in the right place (for obvious reasons). His attitude and commitment has fallen off a cliff since his first couple years at Port

That was my biggest concern with him, but obviously I'd hope the club did their due diligence checking in on him and seeing where he's at mentally.

His best (as rare as it may be) is very tempting at his price. but with his situation it would be a risk no doubt.

 

[Addy23]

That was my biggest concern with him, but obviously I'd hope the club did their due diligence checking in on him and seeing where he's at mentally.

His best (as rare as it may be) is very tempting at his price. but with his situation it would be a risk no doubt.

Yeah the issue is you probably get his best once a year.... thats the problem Port had

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Would you give your last pick away for Soldo? He wont be delisted as he's in contract but Port will take anything they get imo.

I'd be very careful about recruiting Finlayson. Its been 2 years now where his mind and heart aren't in the right place (for obvious reasons). His attitude and commitment has fallen off a cliff since his first couple years at Port

His Mrs has already moved back into Melbourne from the looks of things so I'd expect Soldo will follow suit

 

[Addy23]

His Mrs has already moved back into Melbourne from the looks of things so I'd expect Soldo will follow suit

Yeah but Port wont delist him given he's contracted. They won't ask for much tbf but no one is getting him for free, which was the point I was making. Give us the last pick you got and it'll be done imo

 

[Blueyourmyboy!!]

Which is why you play him in an accountable role and get him to learn it

Why would he. The bloke is a 2 time Coleman