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I think everyone is just over complicating it. The system is not that broken with the DVI changes.
We'll have to use most of pick 9 which we got for TDK to match Dean who is rated around there. Even if we trade for later picks, there wont be much change and we'll still have had to use pick 9 to get those picks.
If this was last year we would easily be able to trade 9 forward or into the future and still cover bids with late picks.
That gap is closed with the steepening of the points curve.
But if you’re forcing clubs to trade up, that distorts the market, and can put a club over a barrel.
The problem is the previous DVI was so far out of whack that clubs could get guns way too cheaply. This has largely been addressed. People are ignoring the size of the change, and I think if the current DVI had been set from the start, people would be largely happy with the system now.
You want a system to be simple, with as few anomalies as possible.
If they’re really set on clubs matching with a higher pick, perhaps the best way would be one adjustment to the current system where you need at least 1 pick (your first matching pick) within 17 picks of the bid (18 when Tassie come in), and then make up the points as you want.
But really they should run the current system for a few years to see if the changes they made after a year’s worth of work actually work.
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He would have been better off throwing darts at a board than what he managed to do in 16,17,18, 19.
If he was a half decent recruiter we would have won a minimum of one flag.
There are so many moving parts with the up coming draft. Where does the Dean bid come. Will there be the expected three bids prior for Gold Coast(2) and Brisbane players?
We will get change back from our second pick after the bid, mid first to second rounder. An Ison bid is more likely closer to 30 than 20, so our later picks should cover it.
Other than key position depth and developing players, we have smashed the trade period and are wanting for little (bearing in mind Cody Walker in ‘26).
This board will be filled with hypotheticals for trading up, but I will be amazed if we shift picks this year.
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we should be able to do more this period with 9 and 11 than just Dean and Ison
If noone we like this year then try to get some picks in next year's draft
I thought he was good in defence at the end of the year, I didn't really rate his forward time. Was ok, but last few games at CHB was decent. He can play there but it has to be a basic role, stick on your man, no zoning off.
Sorry for mine he’s way too flaky in defence, so many times he gets caught flat footed and ball watching and in the contest is surprisingly weak for someone of his size. I agree we have no other choice in 2026, we have to really hope O’Farrell comes on quickly after his ACL (don’t won’t to reference Andrew McInnes but yes I did
) and that Harry Dean can develop into the player we all hope him to be (and it wouldn’t hurt if he grew another centimetre or two either). 
Good rotations for one. Rotations mean run harder for longer and less injuries. So this means we should have good rotations through the midfield and between back pocket and half back and forward flank and forward pocket.
Problem with Walsh out of the middle, he is the only fast dynamic midfielder we have. Take him out and one of this teams biggest issues becomes monumentally worse. As for his kicking, he's like Dangerfield, kicks it long, which is ok, just don't want too many guys like this in the team.
Did we all see how bad we were when he was out this year and how much we improved in the last few games when he came back? Walsh is a massive part of our onball group and opposition teams know this and target him because of this. The others are slow paced accumulators, teams aren't that worried about them but Walsh is viewed differently by other teams. He is the one who can run and carry and pounce on a lose ball or run down an opposition player so teams block and body him. The rest aren't worth putting effort into so all focus goes to Walsh.
The only way to protect Walsh is to add another player with the same agility, pace and hurt factor to our midfield because teams will not put work into two players.
We can take Walsh out of the middle and put him on a wing and he will be good but the team will suffer for it.
Smith was recruited to add class, pace and agility to the midfield but he is built like a match stick and will be some time away from being a regular in the middle. Walker next year will help but it will be a similar situation. Ison of course but again they are kids and generally onballers take a while before they can do it at AFL level.
I think our recruiting team are going to be heavily focused on this for next year. Does it mean we open the cap space up and go for Butters or or another with these traits? I think we will be working hard and focusing on this from here on.
I think and hope that come end of 2026 that we will see Cripps as having more time up his sleeve, Camporeale and Lord as good AFL centermen and Hewett and Cerra going fine. With Ison, Walker and Smith coming through strongly and us seeing we have a glut of onball options. I can see us making a trade out of our onball group to bring in the right sort of mature player in there. I think we will be putting Cerra up for trade end of 2026 and trying to wrangle something with our midfield mix. Just my guess.
The only way to look after Walsh is to recruit someone quick and damaging enough where opposition put their focus onto that player and less on Walsh.
My only query with Walsh is his durability
Young gets lost when trying to zone off and fit into a team defence structure. He doesn't read the game situations well. That's what you are seeing, he just can't do that. When he is told to stick to his man, a simple role he can do that and was good towards the end of the season doing this. His record one on one is not poor as another poster on here pointed out, it's quite good. Young will be someone who gets us through and I doubt we will be seeing a better player than him come onto our list now.Sorry for mine he’s way too flaky in defence, so many times he gets caught flat footed and ball watching and in the contest is surprisingly weak for someone of his size. I agree we have no other choice in 2026, we have to really hope O’Farrell comes on quickly after his ACL (don’t won’t to reference Andrew McInnes but yes I did
O'Farrell will be better than Weitering when he matures. Mark my words on this one. He's going to be an exceptionally good player.
Dean I think will be good as well, just give him a little time in the VFL to perfect his game.
O'Farrell and Dean, we can look after them and let them develop with Young, McGovern and Haynes on the list.
People talk about Cripps carrying the load too much, I have never agreed with this as Cripps role, how he is played and how opposition negate him will never change regardless, this is the sort of player he is.
It's Walsh that is the one who gets targeted and needs help by having a better midfield mix and at least one other good quick agile dynamic mid in there.
To judge Carlton on what is wrong with the team, you have to look at them from an opposition coaches' perspective.
Not worried about Cripps, Cerra, Hewett accumulating as they are slow and lack agility. It's easy to put a good structure around stoppages and if they get it, because of this, it's easy for someone to get to them and apply pressure and force an error. They can have 30 disposals with 20 under really good pressure. Team defensive structure behind the ball will do the rest. Most evident in our games against Collingwood the last 4 years, we kick it forward under pressure and then it is intercepted.
Walsh because he is agile and quick has the capacity to run the ball out of a stoppage, which prevents team defence structure from being effective and find targets by hand or by foot so you block him and tag him at stoppages.
Then the other plans for us are to get the ruckman to get more distance on his taps, to knock the ball out into space and get the ball out in the open and make it a game of leg speed and agility. WAtching games against Brisbane and McInerny hit the ball long and open the game up. Crows do it as well. Turns us into witches hards. Again because Walsh is the only mid who would thrive with this tactic, opposition have to make sure he's blocked so he can't get to the ball in space.
There are a lot of other tactics you use against Carlton as well such as you crowd Curnow and McKay because we have too many ground level only small forwards who you can't kick the ball too because they are weak overhead or don't present, just sit back and wait for the crumb. This has not been fixed.
I honestly think that when we fix the problem in the middle with our lack of pace and agility. Teams will have to stop using these tactics against us and it will mean we aren't "easy to coach against".
We fix the problem with Walsh being the token quick/agile player in our onball group and that fixes our sides biggest issue, makes us a contender and helps a hell of a lot with Walsh's durability issues.
We will develop Smith on a flank with stints in the middle. We will draft Walker and develop him in a similar way. We will be targeting a player to take the heat off Walsh and make our midfield quick and nimble. Make no mistake, this is now what our recruiting must be and will be all about.
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If we don't shift any picks around, we'd be coming away with Dean, Ison and someone selected in the late first round (Pick 16-20 - dependent on where the Dean bid comes).
There are quite a few solid candidates around that mark.
That is really a disaster - and not to mention what picks we had to trade out to rectify those draft misses.
Seton, Fisher, Dow, O’Brien and Stocker should be the core of our starting midfield, and at least 1 should be an A grader.
So just because we have 6 first round picks available to us in the next 3 drafts doesn’t mean automatic success but at least Stephen Silvagni is not going to have any say in their selection.
Now that we have more pace and more stronger targets forward of the ball. Our sides 'kicking' will improve.
Anyone who has ever played the game will be able to tell you that there is more margin for error when kicking the ball to players who are fast and strong overhead. There is very little margin for error when kicking to players who are slow and weak overhead. Comparing guys like Fogarty and Cottrell to Ainsworth and Hayward. They will make a lot of our players look like better kicks.
Anyone who has ever played the game will be able to tell you that there is more margin for error when kicking the ball to players who are fast and strong overhead. There is very little margin for error when kicking to players who are slow and weak overhead. Comparing guys like Fogarty and Cottrell to Ainsworth and Hayward. They will make a lot of our players look like better kicks.
I think so. Will be valuable as Hewett and Cripps age. I think there is a good chance he pushes Cerra out.
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Much of his issue was finding players with the right temperament.
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Yeah and this is why people are worried about us heading the draft route again...
We don't even have a good sample size with Nick Austin because he hasn't had any top 10 picks apart from Jagga who also hasn't even played yet...
I'd say though, it is highly unlikely that our new management team will fluff up so many top picks like Silvagni did... which is why I'm optimistic about our drafting going forward.
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Cerra was really good this year and quite consistent (also finished 3rd in the B&F)
This is a wild take
This is not a rebuild in a sense that it has been in the last 20 years.
This is not like when Pagan brought in a heap of mature players. The team was a bottom team that had been gutted but salary cap penalties, horrific drafting and the retirement and aging of many old stars. Our list is immensely better than it was then. Those players were brought in to keep us alive, the current ones have been brought in to fill weak spots.
This is not a rebuild that we saw under Ratten or Bolton. We are not a bottom team with a horrible list like we were back then. We have a group of quality mature core players. We have played in a preliminary final and made finals the year before and despite all that went wrong only finished 11th this year, not bottom.
Our recruiting team have a different direction and have assistance from Graham Wright. Sometimes recruiting teams fail because of poor direction and ours has with Voss, but the direction is good now. We are less focused on accumulators and more focused on impact players who have pace and skill. Our head Austin, has only delivered a small sample size from the draft and some of that has been good. The areas that have been bad, we will not be recruiting those players under the current direction.
IMO we have a list that should play finals. We have a team that is only a few holes filling away from being a premiership contender. Our list is good, our team is good, we have been smashed with injuries, particularly in the forward line. We have some real top youth coming our way via father son and academy and potentially really high picks. We have an open salary cap so we can go out and take a free agent of our choosing IMO.
We should be all up and about about our future IMO.
This is not like when Pagan brought in a heap of mature players. The team was a bottom team that had been gutted but salary cap penalties, horrific drafting and the retirement and aging of many old stars. Our list is immensely better than it was then. Those players were brought in to keep us alive, the current ones have been brought in to fill weak spots.
This is not a rebuild that we saw under Ratten or Bolton. We are not a bottom team with a horrible list like we were back then. We have a group of quality mature core players. We have played in a preliminary final and made finals the year before and despite all that went wrong only finished 11th this year, not bottom.
Our recruiting team have a different direction and have assistance from Graham Wright. Sometimes recruiting teams fail because of poor direction and ours has with Voss, but the direction is good now. We are less focused on accumulators and more focused on impact players who have pace and skill. Our head Austin, has only delivered a small sample size from the draft and some of that has been good. The areas that have been bad, we will not be recruiting those players under the current direction.
IMO we have a list that should play finals. We have a team that is only a few holes filling away from being a premiership contender. Our list is good, our team is good, we have been smashed with injuries, particularly in the forward line. We have some real top youth coming our way via father son and academy and potentially really high picks. We have an open salary cap so we can go out and take a free agent of our choosing IMO.
We should be all up and about about our future IMO.
I think Cez is underrated (even by me)
If he had a season where he consisetnly played 26 games
P) we couldnt avoid seeing how good he is
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Quick list management math:
Senior list
Out: 7
Silvagni
De Koning
Fantasia
Docherty
Durdin
Lemmey
Curnow
In: 5
Reidy
Chesser
Ainsworth
Florent
Hayward
Rookie list
Out: 1
Cincotta
In: 0
Rookie list is oversubscribed by 1 due to SSP
This can either be a promotion or a delistment.
My understanding is that White and Young are currently uncontracted.
Also in Limbo:
McGovern (uncontracted)
Elijah Hollands (strong reports will be paid out)
Considerations:
Need list spots for draft picks so we can do pick matching. Probably need at least two more spots.
Probably need to bring in a key forward for depth.
Will be 1 SSP slot for HOF (ACL)
Thoughts:
Delist White and Young offer train on spots for SSP
Retain McGovern for depth
Delist Hollands, maybe offer train on.
Gives you the option to draft 1 more kid than Dean and Ison
Senior list
Out: 7
Silvagni
De Koning
Fantasia
Docherty
Durdin
Lemmey
Curnow
In: 5
Reidy
Chesser
Ainsworth
Florent
Hayward
Rookie list
Out: 1
Cincotta
In: 0
Rookie list is oversubscribed by 1 due to SSP
This can either be a promotion or a delistment.
My understanding is that White and Young are currently uncontracted.
Also in Limbo:
McGovern (uncontracted)
Elijah Hollands (strong reports will be paid out)
Considerations:
Need list spots for draft picks so we can do pick matching. Probably need at least two more spots.
Probably need to bring in a key forward for depth.
Will be 1 SSP slot for HOF (ACL)
Thoughts:
Delist White and Young offer train on spots for SSP
Retain McGovern for depth
Delist Hollands, maybe offer train on.
Gives you the option to draft 1 more kid than Dean and Ison
Cerra was fine this year, if we had a season where we were 14-9 as opposed to 9-14, people would be happy with his season. Wasn't elite, but it was good.
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