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What fight are you most looking forward to this week?

  • Oscar vs. Lando

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • Lewis vs. Ferrari

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • Max vs. the red mist

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Crofty vs. the microphone

    Votes: 1 10.0%

  • Total voters
    10

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Have we ever had nearly 900 posts for an Italian GP thread before?

I know the Ricciardo win would have had a few but this is something else - heated discussion two days later.
Yep.

Which is why I love the attitude of Oscar in publicly accepting so quickly what happens on track, realising he can't change it and moving on to the next race.

All the while knowing that any grievance in terms of how the team or his rivals have handled things will be taken up on his behalf online in hundreds of post race analyses. Leaving him to focus on things he can control.

This is what a professional F1 driver and potential champion looks like in 2025. Totally focussed on the things they can control in the cockpit and leaving the politics to others.

Which is why - in that late night post on race night that was rightly criticised for its inconsistency, got one thing right - viz Oscar accepting the team order to allow the overtake by his team mate was great situational awareness in the heat of the battle - of being able to do the maths of seeing the long term game as being more important for his championship than the loss of a single place on the podium.

They used to call Prost 'The Professor' for his ability to think about the long term options in a single race. Reckon Oscar is proving to be the chess master in how he thinks about things in a career long perspective.

And all credit to Mark Webber btw. Proof that sometimes the best coach and manager/mentor for your career is someone who made mistakes, did not reach the pinnacle as a result but has learned from them on retirement and willing to use them as a lesson for others to succeed.
 

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hahaha even old grandpa is getting in on the action!

Oh no am I agreeing with Bernie Ecclestone on something? They 100% want to relive 2008 with a British WDC.

 
hahaha even old grandpa is getting in on the action!

I notice that Brundle has a lot to say there, in deep analysis of it - as well as defence of the decision, yet now does not make a single mention or reference to Leclerc being the reason for Lando saying Oscar to stop first.

It was pure fiction when he said it on the day, and he’s quietly dropped the lie as he’s been caught out.
 
hahaha even old grandpa is getting in on the action!

The bold text is the bit i can't fathom. It was a slow stop, hence that should've been the way the cookie crumbles.


“I believe that was the right thing to do all round, as happened in reverse in Hungary last year,” he wrote in his post-Monza column for Sky F1. “If Norris had, for example, run long in his stop and scattered his mechanics, or it had simply been a slow stop, then that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
 
There's no way in the world if this was in Abu Dhabi, the title battle is close, and the same thing happens that Oscar cedes position. And that will be spicy.

Doubt we get to that bit but it would be similar to Hamilton driving treacle slow to try and back Rosberg into Vettel in 2016
I think all this nonsense ends after Baku. McLaren will have the constructors championship in the bag so there will no longer be any need for papaya rules.
 
I think all this nonsense ends after Baku. McLaren will have the constructors championship in the bag so there will no longer be any need for papaya rules.
Yeah hopefully they can just go hammer and tongs. Max is surely too far behind for them to be too concerned, I reckon around Mexico/COTA we might see gloves off in earnest.

Something tells me McLaren will still find a way to look foolish and fumbly though.
 
Something tells me McLaren will still find a way to look foolish and fumbly though.
The most bogus WCC in recent memory I hope they get brought back down to earth in the new regs.

After 14 seasons of Merc and RBR being cold, calculating and decisive, this carryon with McLaren is just not vibing me at all.
 

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The most bogus WCC in recent memory I hope they get brought back down to earth in the new regs.

After 14 seasons of Merc and RBR being cold, calculating and decisive, this carryon with McLaren is just not vibing me at all.
How is it a bogus WCC? They have absolutely dominated the WCC this year, and none of their decisions have altered their WCC results. Whether they finish Lando-Oscar or Oscar-Lando makes no difference for the WCC.

The impact of their indecisiveness has been felt on the WDC - not the WCC.
 
The most bogus WCC in recent memory I hope they get brought back down to earth in the new regs.

After 14 seasons of Merc and RBR being cold, calculating and decisive, this carryon with McLaren is just not vibing me at all.

So Oscar is outscoring all the other drivers despite his own teams orders/preference.. .. but it’s bogus?
 
How is it a bogus WCC? They have absolutely dominated the WCC this year, and none of their decisions have altered their WCC results. Whether they finish Lando-Oscar or Oscar-Lando makes no difference for the WCC.

The impact of their indecisiveness has been felt on the WDC - not the WCC.

So Oscar is outscoring all the other drivers despite his own teams orders/preference.. .. but it’s bogus?
Yeah bogus wasn't the right word at all to convey my thoughts. They've won it from their rocketship that is better than the opposition which tbh is as genuine as it gets.

Where I was coming from was from the quoted post - the indecisiveness, dithering, what makes it onto the team radio for the world to hear. But the guys who build the car and the people that I'm directing my ire towards like the race engineers, left front wheelman are different groups.
 
It's unlikely I know, but the spat between Lando's and Oscar's sides of the garage remind me of 2007 where Hamilton vs Alonso all year (culminating in the pit box debacle in Hungary) allowed Kimi Raikkonen to slip through and win the WDC despite McLaren having a superior car that year. At least - so far - they are both cordial and friendly enough as title rivals can be, anyway.

It would hurt (obviously) but a similar scenario this year with Max is not yet out of the question.
 
I think all this nonsense ends after Baku. McLaren will have the constructors championship in the bag so there will no longer be any need for papaya rules.

Absolute tinfoil, that's when the dnf's for Oscar will start.

Going back to Monday morning, it didn't matter to the WCC as they would have ended up with the same points anyway.

It's really sown up anyway. For Mclaren to lose it from here, they would either have to both DNF every race or finish out of the points in every race and one of either Mercedes or Ferrari would have to go 1, 2 every race. Potentially another 90 points available for a team if they can quinella the remaining 6 print races.
 

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Absolute tinfoil, that's when the dnf's for Oscar will start.

Going back to Monday morning, it didn't matter to the WCC as they would have ended up with the same points anyway.

It's really sown up anyway. For Mclaren to lose it from here, they would either have to both DNF every race or finish out of the points in every race and one of either Mercedes or Ferrari would have to go 1, 2 every race. Potentially another 90 points available for a team if they can quinella the remaining 6 print races.
No arguments from me. But there is clearly an arrangement within McLaren that has prevented Oscar from telling them exactly that.
 
Absolute tinfoil, that's when the dnf's for Oscar will start.
Looks like they are already starting to lay the ground work publicly.....

McLaren’s much-touted ‘papaya rules’ do not exist, according to Lando Norris

 
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