Autopsy 2025 Rd 4 Blues to petition AFL to halve the length of games

[blues4flag]

Also the metal freshness he has at being at a new place, a new coach, a different voice and actually feeling wanted helps. His comments last week about training standards was a subtle swipe at how Dogs may do things differently (particularly in the skills and application department), also maybe why JUH is where he's at for not meeting those standards. Dog's for all the players they've let go in the last few years (very high calibre) they havn't fallen off a cliff. Voss could take a cue out of Bevo's books in that regards.

Back to mental freshness, only way we can salvage this is for the coaches to freshen things up fast. Sometimes this is done with new blood in the team or X-factor but we don't really have any options here other than Campo's as a chance. Moir not deserving of another game atm. And our X-factor is non-existant with the form we're in.

Another game into Boyd, Eli back from exile, Carroll back from injury. All 3 would be strong chances next week and give us something different. McKay as well, but who knows with him...

 

[jj1978]

We need to surround Voss with some tactical support. STAT.
We also need to pick up the phone to either Michael Lloyd or Emma Murray, sports psychologists, probably the best in the business ASAP. This is a disgrace.
Can Vossy also stay in the coaches box during half time.

He tried the coaches box thing, but I think since Hansen is obviously calling the shots up there he's doing a Hinkley and thinks he's best placed to be on the bench and appear to be doing something.

I think if we ditched one of our assistant coaches, it might give Voss a chance to actually coach a line and get a feel for it again. Free up some cash for a good psych or physio or consultant.

 

[luke livingston seagull]

I like TDK generally, but ain't no ****ing way he should be paid 1.7m.

He got touched up by the Pies version of Pitto

Darcy Cameron is a much better footballer than Pitto and is OOC at year’s end. If Tom leaves, we should be looking at him.

 

[carlton_99]

We have poor midfield depth and lack of consistency. Kennedy provides much needed cover for the Cripps and Hewetts, can also cover up forward if needed. Lord will get games but if we thought him and Jagger as kids would've lasted a season without needing some respite then we're daft.

Owies would be in before Moir/Evans and provides more in that department. Just trading one of McGov/Williams and even paying a portion of their salaries we could of covered both Kennedy and Owies salaries and probably have some left over.

I would have kept Kennedy in an ideal world and played him largely as a forward who got some rotations in the middle. But the reports were he wanted more midfield time at Carlton. We traded him for a 2nd round pick we used to fill an area of need in a developing KPD. We needed to balance up our midfield so I didn't mind the trade because I wouldn't have wanted him getting more midfield time.

Owies would be ahead of Evans because Evans was a SSP selection. He's literally the 45th man on the list. Should be no where near this team.

 

[carlton_99]

I like TDK generally, but ain't no ****ing way he should be paid 1.7m.

He got touched up by the Pies version of Pitto

Cameron is a very good ruck.

 

[lily of laguna]

Let's try not to be so black and white about thing. I get that he has become whipping boy #1 but he wasn't 'awful'.

He played his role as a wing and competed with Daicos/Side bottom well. He got to his spots and got the ball as a receiver.

I thought Collingwood did a great job all game of attacking our receivers on the outside and pressuring them. Doch was bottled up for space a bit and doesn't have the physical capability to deal with it.

But sorry, if you had said ore game he would outplay Daicos and have 27 touches and 600+ meters gained I would have taken that in an instant.

Again the stats don’t matter!!!
He was terrible, and has been terrible all season.

I love the guy, and everything he represents, but he’s not good enough and despite the fact he really cares and really tries he needs to be dropped and hope that he can play a meaningful role as a mentor for the younger players in the twos.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Listening to Jon Ralph after the game was pretty damning.
Collingwood insiders apparently told him they knew all they had to do was stack the defensive corridor and we'd just kick it into their hands. But even they were a bit shocked about how easy we made it for them in the 3rd quarter.

If it was that easy they should’ve won by 10 goals

 

[Soapy V]

Let's try not to be so black and white about thing. I get that he has become whipping boy #1 but he wasn't 'awful'.

He played his role as a wing and competed with Daicos/Side bottom well. He got to his spots and got the ball as a receiver.

I thought Collingwood did a great job all game of attacking our receivers on the outside and pressuring them. Doch was bottled up for space a bit and doesn't have the physical capability to deal with it.

But sorry, if you had said ore game he would outplay Daicos and have 27 touches and 600+ meters gained I would have taken that in an instant.

Please don’t lump me in with people treating him as a whipping boy. That’s wrong

I am his biggest fan and have backed him this year but you can’t ignore his form. He was poor. Looked panicked and had many chances to impact contests and didn’t.

IMO he was poor last night

 

[T2B_]

Cameron is a very good ruck.

He probably is but not so good that a guy wanting such a high contract shouldn't be able to at least edge out

 

[lily of laguna]

Let's try not to be so black and white about thing. I get that he has become whipping boy #1 but he wasn't 'awful'.

He played his role as a wing and competed with Daicos/Side bottom well. He got to his spots and got the ball as a receiver.

I thought Collingwood did a great job all game of attacking our receivers on the outside and pressuring them. Doch was bottled up for space a bit and doesn't have the physical capability to deal with it.

But sorry, if you had said ore game he would outplay Daicos and have 27 touches and 600+ meters gained I would have taken that in an instant.

Daicos was kept in check by Hewett mainly, team effort though.
Not an indicator of Doch’s game at all.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I know we need a winger but he’s probably too old.

We would still select Docherty ahead of him….

 

[Blue Pulse]

Also the metal freshness he has at being at a new place, a new coach, a different voice and actually feeling wanted helps. His comments last week about training standards was a subtle swipe at how Dogs may do things differently (particularly in the skills and application department), also maybe why JUH is where he's at for not meeting those standards. Dog's for all the players they've let go in the last few years (very high calibre) they havn't fallen off a cliff. Voss could take a cue out of Bevo's books in that regards.

Back to mental freshness, only way we can salvage this is for the coaches to freshen things up fast. Sometimes this is done with new blood in the team or X-factor but we don't really have any options here other than Campo's as a chance. Moir not deserving of another game atm. And our X-factor is non-existant with the form we're in.

Mentioned this last week before we played them that they have been impressive considering their injuries. You know what you're going to get from them. They will have a crack.

We have so many out of form at the moment, it's not funny and we are only 4 games in. These guys should be jumping out of their skin to play but all they seem to be doing is jumping at shadows

 

[carlton_99]

He probably is but not so good that a guy wanting such a high contract shouldn't be able to at least edge out

Well not sure TDK is asking for a 1.7million dollar contract. I don't think he thinks he's the best player in the AFL. But Saints have money to throw around.

 

[jooce8891]

only thing that could make this better is if ampol gave all carlton members a free tank of fuel considering they 'have our backs'

 

[T2B_]

Well not sure TDK is asking for a 1.7million dollar contract. I don't think he thinks he's the best player in the AFL. But Saints have money to throw around.

True enough. I was just so disappointed in his performance knowing what he's capable of, but he also wasn't Robinson Crusoe there

 

[Blue Pulse]

I like TDK generally, but ain't no ****ing way he should be paid 1.7m.

He got touched up by the Pies version of Pitto

Darcey Cameron may have been their version of Pitto but has become a really good footballer, in fact a bloody good footballer, he is so under rated I don't understand it. Wouldn't be surprised if he is not leading their BnF at this stage.

Pitto was an average footballer and still is, see the difference in development

 

[Dumpstar]

Our skills are honestly the most frustrating part of our games to watch.

Short kicks out of defence to get us out of trouble, nah, just drop them short of your target and we're under more pressure.
Handballs going too high or missing players. TDK missed the footy once when trying to handball last night.
We work a free man on the wing who has some space on the defender. Nah, kick it out on the full.

I'm sure there are dozens more that other people will have in mind.

It is a farce at times and not AFL standard.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Darcy Cameron is a much better footballer than Pitto and is OOC at year’s end. If Tom leaves, we should be looking at him.

why would he be leaving them?

 

[luke livingston seagull]

why would he be leaving them?

Probably not currently on the $ he’s worth.

 

[ajb72]

Tigers gave the blue print against us at half time, and each team has followed suit.

Play a decoy on Weitering to take him out of the play.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Probably not currently on the $ he’s worth.

Not sure we are the team who have money to offer up and all the other stuff that entice players over

 

[Andyy]

Darcey Cameron may have been their version of Pitto but has become a really good footballer, in fact a bloody good footballer, he is so under rated I don't understand it. Wouldn't be surprised if he is not leading their BnF at this stage.

Pitto was an average footballer and still is, see the difference in development

Bit off topic but I'm glad someone else can see it.

Thought this guy was a spud myself but IMO he's become one of the better rucks in the league over the last five years.

Honestly didn't think he had it in him.

He's a more mature body than DK too so it's not a big surprise that he may have taken home the cake and it's hardly the reason Carlton lost.

 

[luke livingston seagull]

Not sure we are the team who have money to offer up and all the other stuff that entice players over

Hence why I said if Tom leaves. All the other stuff though, you’re probably right.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

If it was that easy they should’ve won by 10 goals

It's Collingwood. As far as 3-goal losses go, this one was a shocker. If they'd kicked straighter it could easily have been 8+ in some pretty rubbish conditions.

 

[Accidental genius]

Now it's Crippa is it?

Fmd.
Look, we've argued all this before.
So no point.

He makes a very good point.

It’s not Cripps fault but he is too focussed on carrying tge team on his back…

What we need from a captain (and our on field leaders) is to show on field leadership in terms of overall game plan - extension of tge coaches. Look at filth leadership group …it’s like chalk and cheese.

When things dont go well Cripps just tries harder and harder which is very honourable but we are currently lacking on field direction/plan/strategies ex etc.

Again it’s not his fault but we’ve created this situation as a club because he is so freakin good so he just keeps digging to turn our fate around

He’s a super tough human but we will break him…if tge club won’t intervene and spread tge on field duties

Weiters as captain would be a terrific move. I think Jsos is another good option.