2026 - Why our playing list is in its current state

[Vankri]

I've always felt that Hine was good but not elite. There's been many flops along his tenure and I suppose it's easy to forget the wins, especially when we look like our window might be closed. I think it was the right time for a change though.

Agree. Plus having a ‘friendly’ heading up Tassie could be a real plus. Try and get our hands on some of those juicy picks while we’re still a middling team by trading up and/or trading some B graders he might like. Eg starting to put some feelers out for Bruz to Tassie would be a good move IMO.

 

[Bianconeri]

I actually mentioned yesterday that we've been unlucky with losing Langdon and Murphy. Imagine them in our backline

Langdon would be depth at best

 

[Peters_Nuts]

Langdon would be depth at best

 

[Kappa]

Agree. Plus having a ‘friendly’ heading up Tassie could be a real plus. Try and get our hands on some of those juicy picks while we’re still a middling team by trading up and/or trading some B graders he might like. Eg starting to put some feelers out for Bruz to Tassie would be a good move IMO.

Why would he be friendly after we sacked him

 

[Vankri]

Why would he be friendly after we sacked him

Guess that’s something we don’t know. He wasn’t officially sacked, but with rumours that he and Leppa reached a point of no return. But afaik that’s a stab in the dark by a Hun journalist. I was just basing the friendly comment on the simple fact that he spent 20 years with the club and surely has many many ties with it and its people.

 

[jathanas]

Langdon would be depth at best

I would strongly dispute that assertion.

We don't know if he'd still be playing at 31, but we shouldn't forget that Tom was outstanding in 2018.

 

[Kappa]

Guess that’s something we don’t know. He wasn’t officially sacked, but with rumours that he and Leppa reached a point of no return. But afaik that’s a stab in the dark by a Hun journalist. I was just basing the friendly comment on the simple fact that he spent 20 years with the club and surely has many many ties with it and its people.

He was sacked, we told him we no longer require his services and he needs to find a new job.

He didnt want to leave

 

[noideaatall]

If I offer everyone on this board 1 x premiership though it will be followed by 10 years in the wilderness, I think majority would take it.

No thanks, doesn't interest me in the least. Plenty of wilderness experience. I rate years that we make finals, higher we go better the rating. I GF does not cover 9 years of zero ratings.

 

[sr36]

If I offer everyone on this board 1 x premiership though it will be followed by 10 years in the wilderness, I think majority would take it.

Pass. That's essentially the tanker don't try to stay up the ladder don't be competitive mentality. The difference is they want us to drop down straight away and take the 10 years now, because they somehow think that the draft is a sure fire way to get a flag ...

 

[PieBeast]

The rumour and I don't buy it for a second it was Wright not Fly who overruled Hine re Logan.

Rendell doesn't tell anything anymore, RIP.

The draft isn't a sure way to the flag but it's definitely the way to ensure you don't have one of the worst crops of young talent in the league, at the worst possible time.

 

[sr36]

The draft isn't a sure way to the flag but it's definitely the way to ensure you don't have one of the worst crops of young talent in the league, at the worst possible time.

The point that is missed with the draft fans is that draft is designed for teams to rise and others to drop. We're set to drop. And rebuilding with pick 11 and 18 whilst others are rebuilding with pick 1 wouldn't make sense even if the system worked.

If you're betting on the draft, bet on the teams that bottom out. So if what we're doing doesn't work and we do become really shit, the draft fans will get their way. We'll become really shit and get the picks needed to have a chance to rebuild through the draft. The draft is designed to make aging teams fall

But if you want to stay competitive and refresh your list, you've got to try another way than just taking mediocre picks to the draft.

 

[The Phantom]

I still think McLarty was the worst draft decision this decade.

Poor bloke was deaf and couldnt communicate with his teammates at VFL level with barely any noise, had zero athleticism or skills.

Agree.
Hiney was inclusive and woke ahead of his time.

Stevo had his medical issues as well.
Hiney loved a Hail Mary selection. With any draft number, be it pick 4 or 44 he often tried to pull rabbits out of hats rather than go with predictable or obvious selections.

Amazingly, quite a few worked out well. Checkers and Ginivan are good examples. Cox?

It’s harder and harder to have insider knowledge no other club has now. Our recruiting team shrunk, partly due to COVID and soft cap interventions. And afl going socialist on medical assessments etc too.
The recruiting pack caught up.
Hail Mary successes got harder to find or succeed.

I wouldn’t go to the casino with Hiney.

 

[No SPIN]

I've always felt that Hine was good but not elite. There's been many flops along his tenure and I suppose it's easy to forget the wins, especially when we look like our window might be closed. I think it was the right time for a change though.

Which recruiters are elite compared to Hine ?

 

[No SPIN]

The rumour and I don't buy it for a second it was Wright not Fly who overruled Hine re Logan.

Rendell doesn't tell anything anymore, RIP.

The draft isn't a sure way to the flag but it's definitely the way to ensure you don't have one of the worst crops of young talent in the league, at the worst possible time.

Ess and Carl have used your strategy and failed. I’m tipping they’d be envious of our approach given our perpetual ultra competitiveness.

 

[Anzacday]

Carlton took Ashton Moir two picks before him

I’d prefer him to HDM

 

[Gaspard]

Collingwood's National Draft (Elite Young Talent) debacle over the last 10 years!



2015

32 Brayden Sier
58 Tom Phillips
63 Rupert Wills
65 Ben Crocker

2016

35 Callum Brown (Father / Son)
50 Kayle Kirby
57 Josh Daicos (Father / Son)


2017

6 Jaydin Stephenson
39 Nathan Murphy
50 Tyler Brown (Father / Son)


2018

13 Isaac Quaynor (Academy)
29 Will Kelly (Father / Son)
77 Atu Bosenavulagi (Academy)

2019

40 Jay Rantall
45 Trent Bianco
55 Trey Ruscoe

2020

17 Oliver Henry
19 Finlay Macrae
23 Reef McInnes (Academy)
30 Caleb Poulter
31 Liam McMahon
44 Beau McCreery

2021
4 Nick Daicos (Father / Son)
45 Arlo Draper
49 Cooper Murley
52 Harvey Harrison

2022

19 Edward Allan
28 Jakob Ryan
48 Joe Richards

2023

25 Harry DeMattia
37 Tew Jiath

2024

47 Joel Cochrane
50 Charlie West
56 Will Hayes

2025

32 Tyan Prindable
37 Samuel Swadling
57 Zac McCarthy (Academy)
59 Angus Anderson

Key

Red - Delisted / Traded
Orange - Will be this year or next, unless a miracle occurs
Green - current starting 23
Black - could go either way / recent draftee


Our list management / recruiting department has been taking the piss, surely.

Look at the draft positions each year and it can come as no surprise that we didn't get many stars. They were all long gone when our turns came up. Some teams got luckier than us with their late picks, but luck is all it is. There are reasons players slip through, and the recruiters that ignore the evidence and go on gut only rarely get rewarded.

 

[Bianconeri]

I would strongly dispute that assertion.

We don't know if he'd still be playing at 31, but we shouldn't forget that Tom was outstanding in 2018.

He had a decent year in 2018 but didn’t make the top ten in our bnf annd his signature was not prioritised at the end of the season. Outstanding is a stretch.

 

[jathanas]

He had a decent year in 2018 but didn’t make the top ten in our bnf annd his signature was not prioritised at the end of the season. Outstanding is a stretch.

Langdon was one of Collingwood's best players in the 2018 Grand Final against West Coast, with Sydney coach John Longmire ranking him as the third-best player on the ground.

Langdon was especially important in the second half of that season. He stepped up as an undersized key defender to cover for injuries (Moore, etc.). During that time, he took on Jack Darling, Lance Franklin, and Robbie Gray.

You may have his contract situation wrong. Langdon was in high demand from other clubs, including Sydney and Fremantle, but signed a three-year contract extension with Collingwood in October 2018.

 

[sr36]

Which recruiters are elite compared to Hine ?

No one knows. There's so much luck involve that it's all a guess. The proof is actually in the recruiters draft boards and not the actual draft. Brisbane also might have chosen HDM over Logan Morris. Freo might have rated Murphy Reid much the same as other clubs. Neither club did a last minute trade up to ensure they got a bloke they rated through the roof.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

As much as I’ve bemoaned Hine’s wasting of first round picks for the last decade or so, some of the blame surely falls at the feet of our development?

Are we really developing these kids properly? Because it feels like we’re not.

Still reckon we missed a good chance to really set ourselves up for 2027 and beyond.

 

[Bianconeri]

Langdon was one of Collingwood's best players in the 2018 Grand Final against West Coast, with Sydney coach John Longmire ranking him as the third-best player on the ground.

Langdon was especially important in the second half of that season. He stepped up as an undersized key defender to cover for injuries (Moore, etc.). During that time, he took on Jack Darling, Lance Franklin, and Robbie Gray.

You may have his contract situation wrong. Langdon was in high demand from other clubs, including Sydney and Fremantle, but signed a three-year contract extension with Collingwood in October 2018.

Langdon had a decent GF game but also gave West Coast their first goal by not rushing a behind and their last by meekly giving the ball up to Ryan and not manning the mark. Even at his best he was a severely error prone defender.

He stepped up as an undersized key defender but he still wasn’t better than our actual key defenders and as a flanker left a bit to be desired with his lack of offensive game.

 

[Gaspard]

Langdon had a decent GF game but also gave West Coast their first goal by not rushing a behind and their last by meekly giving the ball up to Ryan and not manning the mark. Even at his best he was a severely error prone defender.

He stepped up as an undersized key defender but he still wasn’t better than our actual key defenders and as a flanker left a bit to be desired with his lack of offensive game.

Gee that's harsh. I always thought he was a very good player.

 

[sideswipe]

Langdon had a decent GF game but also gave West Coast their first goal by not rushing a behind and their last by meekly giving the ball up to Ryan and not manning the mark. Even at his best he was a severely error prone defender.

He stepped up as an undersized key defender but he still wasn’t better than our actual key defenders and as a flanker left a bit to be desired with his lack of offensive game.

Load of bullshit. Langdon showed every sign that he had stepped up to another level.

 

[Robroy22]

Langdon had a decent GF game but also gave West Coast their first goal by not rushing a behind and their last by meekly giving the ball up to Ryan and not manning the mark. Even at his best he was a severely error prone defender.

He stepped up as an undersized key defender but he still wasn’t better than our actual key defenders and as a flanker left a bit to be desired with his lack of offensive game.

I reckon you must mean Ed Langdon, cos Tommy was a gun.

 

[gouki88]

I reckon you must mean Ed Langdon, cos Tommy was a gun.

Hard to believe Ed is a 200+ game player. Wish Tom had shared his durability