20th AFL Team

[Blackhawk42]

Hope you're wrong, would really like to see Canberra get its own team, which will have a big enough market to tap into.

But who knows, if the Giants stay in ACT beyond 2032, then they may very well bring in another Sydney team that uses Newcastle as a secondary market.

All that talk about the comp being truly national is a crock of s**t, if it does pan out that way, though, as ACT is the national capital.

Also, I doubt either the Giants or the 3rd Sydney side would ever succeed without becoming full-time Sydney teams.

LONG term planning, but a Canberra team reaching south as the 20th licence followed by a team later this century based out of Newcastle or involving that catchment area would be the smartest way to approach it.

That way you essentially wind up with 4 teams in the state (including ACT) and cover most geographical areas of it.

 

[neogh]

LONG term planning, but a Canberra team reaching south as the 20th licence followed by a team later this century based out of Newcastle or involving that catchment area would be the smartest way to approach it.

That way you essentially wind up with 4 teams in the state (including ACT) and cover most geographical areas of it.

4 teams in a state already with the most sporting clubs in the country

 

[RedV3x]

4 teams in a state already with the most sporting clubs in the country

Size matters.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Alright, ALRIGHT!

You make a compelling case for Canberra, Mr Pear.

Canberra can be a defacto NSW3 as it would cover the southern parts of the NSW. Perhaps this is the key to winning the code war.

Canberra Kingfishers.

Canberra campaigners

 

[BigChippa52]

I'm not from WA I don't have a clear idea but its all i hear in rugby circles and then that spreads to other people and the NRL are saying that perth are making a big bid for a team and the bears want to return so the idea is the bears move to perth

 

[Rockmelon]

I'm not from WA I don't have a clear idea but its all i hear in rugby circles and then that spreads to other people and the NRL are saying that perth are making a big bid for a team and the bears want to return so the idea is the bears move to perth

A lot of Kiwis and guys from eastern states in WA so a NRL team wouldn’t be the craziest Idea.

I don’t think there’s any appetite for a 3rd WA team though

 

[RedV3x]

It's about time some mods started being more consistent.

 

[RedV3x]

It's about time some mods started being more consistent.

 

[BigChippa52]

You do realise that this thread is about a 20th AFL team ?
Do you realise that you are repeating yourself ?

But since you seem to insist on putting forward your thoughts on this matter then I'll give you my thoughts on the matter.
Why do people outside of W.A. insist on pretending they know the situation in Perth.
WA3 is technically feasible on a population basis but apart from that there is no conception.
The great optimism of last century that saw national teams ,in the Heat, Glory, Reds and Force has disappeared.
The expats are simply not there in the required numbers.

yes I can read, I apologize for going off-topic and this is hopefully the last time I will, sure it's about Perth and WA but it is also about the bears and their strong fan base that will grow not just in North Sydney but in Perth the point is the market in NSW is oversaturated so they have to be open to moving and unlike the AFL the NRL don't have the interest in other states to relocate teams since no one really cares about it outside of NSW and QLD, Perth is one of the only places in aus with genuine interest for a team and as said the bears want to return, numbers will grow just like the swans and lions did in the AFL, that's enough of that back to AFL and the 20th team

 

[RedV3x]

It's about time some mods started being more consistent.

 

[BigChippa52]

You do realise that this thread is about a 20th AFL team ?
Do you realise that you are repeating yourself ?
Or are you so insecure about NRL you have to keep mentioning it in AFL threads ?



No, it's off topic and why aren't you posting this in the appropriate places ?
Indeed you seem so insecure about NRL that you have to keep mentioning it in AFL threads ?

North Sydney Bears AFC the original wearer of black and red probably has as strong a fan base.
On your logic, North Sydney should be the next Sydney AFL team.



North Sydney fan base has shrunk considerably since leaving the NRL.
Union and the Swans are the big "winners" here.
HTF can it grow.


Well they've moved already from first grade to out-of-contention.


So this is an argument against relocation.



Perth has no interest what-so-ever in second grade slops.
If interest is so high in NRL in Perth why haven't I heard of the Reds ?



So do all the other failed NSWRL teams.



Can I interest you in buying a harbour bridge.


The Swans and Lions just didn't just happen.
The Swans and Lions were built around research, existing fanbase, existing competitions and juniors.
The Swans and Lions are built around a strong Australian product, a product that appeals to a wider audience
to play and watch.
The Swans and Lions are built on investment.



Yes, take your inferior idea of an inferior team coming to play an inferior game to a city surrounded by failed
imported teams back to where ever you say there is huge discussion.

this is the only thread I have mentioned NRL, It is relevant to Perth, the AFL, and NRL and will affect their bid for a 3rd team in the AFL, I'm done with this conversation it's obviously going nowhere

 

[RedV3x]

this is the only thread I have mentioned NRL,

And seemingly you don't have the nouse to put it the NRL thread where it belongs.

It is relevant to Perth,

In the NRL section.

the AFL

In no way is an inferior NSWRL team coming to play an inferior game to a city surrounded by failed
imported teams relevant to AFL?

will affect their bid for a 3rd team in the AFL,

In no way is an inferior NSWRL team coming to play an inferior game to a city surrounded by failed
imported teams relevant going to factor into WA3.
The Force came and went.
The Reds came and went x2.
The Glory are on life support from the league.
You don't have the juniors. You don't have the fanbase. You don't have the investment.

I'm done with this conversation it's obviously going nowhere

Like your lack of facts on the matter.

 

[neogh]

You do realise that this thread is about a 20th AFL team ?
Do you realise that you are repeating yourself ?

But since you seem to insist on putting forward your thoughts on this matter then I'll give you my thoughts on the matter.
Why do people outside of W.A. insist on pretending they know the situation in Perth.
WA3 is technically feasible on a population basis but apart from that there is no conception.
The great optimism of last century that saw national teams ,in the Heat, Glory, Reds and Force has disappeared.
The expats are simply not there in the required numbers.

Ever exactly wondered why those teams suffer(ered)?

 

[RedV3x]

Ever exactly wondered why those teams suffer(ered)?

Yes, definitely.
There are differing reasons of course but the simple common thread to entities
is the nature of Perth people - they get all excited about something new and then they don't.
You could get the same result with a NFL franchise.

 

[Demon in Hell]

Article from SEN

Where the clear majority of AFL fans want the 20th AFL team to one day be based

We surveyed the masses in our AFL Fan Survey and after over 60,000 votes we have a clear fan-favourite for just that!

www.sen.com.au

 

[Blackhawk42]

Article from SEN

Where the clear majority of AFL fans want the 20th AFL team to one day be based

We surveyed the masses in our AFL Fan Survey and after over 60,000 votes we have a clear fan-favourite for just that!

www.sen.com.au

I actually like these surveys because they give a snapshot of what the regular footy fan actually wants and believes.

In this instance all it proves is that 55% of those surveyed haven't give that question any thought beyond the romantic viewpoint.

 

[Coolangatta]

I actually like these surveys because they give a snapshot of what the regular footy fan actually wants and believes.

In this instance all it proves is that 55% of those surveyed haven't give that question any thought beyond the romantic viewpoint.

“I think when they decide to expand and let’s just say they go to 20 in 10 years, I think what you’ll find is that crowds and population is less of an incentive,” Bowden said.

^ I have no idea wtf he's talking about here, of course crowds and population matters. An NT club will not survive unless it's propped up, why would the AFL not just invest in a more viable market unless 20 is going to be the max number of teams (which I doubt).

The AFL will not give up on NQ, I'm certain they're interested in them long-term; ACT I'm not. I'd like to think they are (they should be), but very little is said about it publicly.

At least ACT is in the clear top three choices, but honestly, them and WA3 are way ahead of the NT without a big backer.

 

[Bjo187]

Article from SEN

Where the clear majority of AFL fans want the 20th AFL team to one day be based

We surveyed the masses in our AFL Fan Survey and after over 60,000 votes we have a clear fan-favourite for just that!

www.sen.com.au

This just proves how dumb the average footy fan is, it's no suprise though when the footy media push this NT suggestion, which makes them even dumber, as footy is their full time job.

 

[Altum Volantes]

This just proves how dumb the average footy fan is, it's no suprise though when the footy media push this NT suggestion, which makes them even dumber, as footy is their full time job.

Did have a chuckle at this today.

Darwin.

Nobody who has 1. Been to Darwin or 2. Has even the vaguest sense of what it would take to run a professional sporting club, would think that is a good idea.

Then they’ll follow it up with stupid statements like ‘oh it wouldn’t just be Darwin, it’d be for all of NT…’ as if that some how makes it less of a terrible idea.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Did have a chuckle at this today.

Darwin.

Nobody who has 1. Been to Darwin or 2. Has even the vaguest sense of what it would take to run a professional sporting club, would think that is a good idea.

Then they’ll follow it up with stupid statements like ‘oh it wouldn’t just be Darwin, it’d be for all of NT…’ as if that some how makes it less of a terrible idea.

It was also one of 24 questions.

There were questions I didn't feel strongly about, so I just put down what I thought the general consensus would be.

So quite a few of those votes for Darwin were probably just that. No research. No strong conviction. Just parroting what they'd already heard.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

The top 3 choices in the SEN survey reflects the top 3 in the survey in this thread. However, here it’s a close choice between WA3 and Canberra with NT a distant 3rd, with literally 1000s of post analysing and discussing the merits of the various locations for the 20th team. SEN just had a question listing various locations, and most respondents would have gone for the “idealistic” NT option without considering the demographical, economical and location shortcomings of NT that have been demonstrated in this thread

 

[Coolangatta]

The top 3 choices in the SEN survey reflects the top 3 in the survey in this thread. However, here it’s a close choice between WA3 and Canberra with NT a distant 3rd, with literally 1000s of post analysing and discussing the merits of the various locations for the 20th team. SEN just had a question listing various locations, and most respondents would have gone for the “idealistic” NT option without considering the demographical, economical and location shortcomings of NT that have been demonstrated in this thread

I still want to know what Bowden meant by crowds and population being less of an incentive for the 20th team. Why would that be the case?

 

[Canberra Pear]

I still want to know what Bowden meant by crowds and population being less of an incentive for the 20th team. Why would that be the case?

I assume he means that there will be likely a greater importance on TV. So theoretically there will be less importance on crowds and population if the majority of the audience is watching on TV and can watch from anywhere.

But population and crowds clearly still have some importance if the NT scoping report says they'll have a $15m funding gap. So they'll add to a game like GWS and Gold Coast did, but they'd be relying on incredibly disproportionate funding from the AFL to cover their small crowds.

 

[Coolangatta]

I assume he means that there will be likely a greater importance on TV. So theoretically there will be less importance on crowds and population if the majority of the audience is watching on TV and can watch from anywhere.

But population and crowds clearly still have some importance if the NT scoping report says they'll have a $15m funding gap. So they'll add to a game like GWS and Gold Coast did, but they'd be relying on incredibly disproportionate funding from the AFL to cover their small crowds.

Which is why I wouldn't rule them out of being team 21. Yes, there'd be WA3, NZ, Sunshine Coast, and other more financially viable or lucrative options in the 2050s, but if that funding gap closes in 30 years, which you'd think it should, the AFL might just cover the difference.

A lot of people hate the idea of more than 20 teams, but leave NT off the table for team 20 and I think you'll start to see more people come around in the future to the idea of team 21 and 22.

I could see them being hostile to NZ or 3rd teams in NSW or QLD as team 21 but much more open minded about NT.

Who knows what's going to happen but I could honestly see it going TAS--ACT--NT--NQ.

If they start playing games at the Sunshine Coast or Newcastle or NZ then that might change my opinion of what their long-term expansion plans are but I'd say at its current trajectory we could end up with NT and NQ as teams 21 and 22, the latter especially if the Hawks commit to Cairns long-term and they just never get the SC/Newy or wherever going because the Vic clubs mostly seem to want to play in Victoria than elsewhere.

Expansion will probably slow/end when all the Vic clubs decide to play all their home games in Vic.

 

[neogh]

Well for many footy fans that don't know or care about the actual issues, Darwin does feel better than a boring city where buying fireworks is the most interesting thing and a state that already caters 2 teams that aren't playing well at the moment.