20th AFL Team

[The_Wookie]

Well you shouldn't have posted such a raft of questionable statements.

This could be the motto of this entire thread.

 

[Canberra Pear]

After all the semantics on population growth and pointing to different projections, the fact is that both Canberra and Perth will be major growth areas (alongside SEQ).

Population growth is a pro for both, compared to the NT and Tasmania, where it would be a con.

 

[The_Wookie]

After all the semantics on population growth and pointing to different projections, the fact is that both Canberra and Perth will be major growth areas (alongside SEQ).

Population growth is a pro for both, compared to the NT and Tasmania, where it would be a con.

I mean on that basis, Melbourne should be adding teams in the future. No new team since 1925 when the population was 887,000. Up a lazy 507%.

 

[Canberra Pear]

I mean on that basis, Melbourne should be adding teams in the future. No new team since 1925 when the population was 887,000. Up a lazy 507%.

Yes, if population growth was the one and only factor, sure.

I said it's a pro. And it is. It's obviously not the only factor.

 

[Purple Suit]

After all the semantics on population growth and pointing to different projections, the fact is that both Canberra and Perth will be major growth areas (alongside SEQ).

Population growth is a pro for both, compared to the NT and Tasmania, where it would be a con.

Population & growth isn’t everything otherwise GWS & GC would be a raging successes with sellouts every fortnight.

There are also levels, Canberra gets a tick but it will be behind WA in that metric.

QLD3 is crazy talk in my opinion, especially when they are getting a stadium twice the size soon.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Population & growth isn’t everything otherwise GWS & GC would be a raging successes with sellouts every fortnight.

There are also levels, Canberra gets a tick but it will be behind WA in that metric.

QLD3 is crazy talk in my opinion, especially when they are getting a stadium twice the size soon.

Pretty much what I just said.

Though we disagree with who comes out ahead between WA and Canberra, but again, that's semantics depending on which projections you pull up.

 

[RedV3x]

You were going on about the potential for attendances to be below a breakeven crowd and this being a "cost",

Stadium cost is a cost. There is no getting around that fact.

you'd spend the hundreds of millions of dollars that is required to expand the capacity by just 10,000?

Not me. I don't have that sort of money.

so 220,000 across 22 games, or less than the amount of people that will simply show up for the 4 new derby games

You keep assuming that the Dockers and Eagles fans will be the one's to generate sufficient attendances.
That's like assuming Collingwood fans will keep N.M. afloat.

What's the point of reading the rest of the post after this

You might learn something.
Governments don't always spend logically.
The W.A. government has proposed to spend $217 million on a racetrack around Burswood (opposite the stadium)
that will used for a maximum two weeks and which everybody opposes.
The W.A government could have saved an absolute fortune on the new stadium but chose the most expensive way.
The W.A government didn't build this stadium for Australian Football. It built it as a multi-purpose events stadium.
Thus increasing the capacity benefits sport in general and further enhances Perth
as an events city in the eyes of the W.A. government.
I understand that your city is broke, but $217 million is not a lot of money in the eyes of the W.A. government.

 

[Run n Spread]

There are 2 key elements to attract more from TV rights. More viewers from those interested and to grow overseas. Similar to how the US have grown basketball and gridiron to such an extent (especially in young demographics)there will be a sold out MCG game next year.
To do that in an AFL context you need an iconic team that resonates overseas and tribal passion.
NT/Northern Australia based out of Darwin fits the bill. Pick the eyes out of the local takent as well as the draft and the team will have a unique Australian identity with unlimited potential both here and overseas.
That I'd something Canberra and Perth 3 just don't have

 

[Canberra Pear]

There are 2 key elements to attract more from TV rights. More viewers from those interested and to grow overseas. Similar to how the US have grown basketball and gridiron to such an extent (especially in young demographics)there will be a sold out MCG game next year.
To do that in an AFL context you need an iconic team that resonates overseas and tribal passion.
NT/Northern Australia based out of Darwin fits the bill. Pick the eyes out of the local takent as well as the draft and the team will have a unique Australian identity with unlimited potential both here and overseas.
That I'd something Canberra and Perth 3 just don't have

Games in northern Australia have also been, disproportionately, weather-affected, hard-to-watch games.

That's not going to be good for TV rights.

 

[Run n Spread]

Games in northern Australia have also been, disproportionately, weather-affected, hard-to-watch games.

That's not going to be good for TV rights.

So have Canberra games. In one it snowed.
Don't think northern Australia has been in any way disproportionately affected.
A large block of games went there in covid and went gang busters

 

[Canberra Pear]

So have Canberra games. In one it snowed.

In 66 Canberra matches, it has snowed once.

The Raiders have had one snow match in 416 games.

That's not disproportionate.

Don't think northern Australia has been in any way disproportionately affected.

The you haven't been paying attention.

So many games get an online commentary of "why are we even playing games here".

St Kilda stopped selling games from their experience in Cairns.

 

[RedV3x]

There are 2 key elements to attract more from TV rights. More viewers

Yes, more viewers and more games.

to grow overseas.

The AFL primarily works off of the subscription model for overseas a.t.m.

Similar to how the US have grown basketball and gridiron

if you think we can grow AFL overseas like NBA and NFL then yes, AFL for NT is easy.

To do that in an AFL context you need an iconic team that resonates overseas and tribal passion.

Sydney Swans or Brisbane Lions.
Melbourne Demons are unimpressive and the other Melbourne suburban named teams are meaningless
except to the ANZAC Day clash etc.

NT/Northern Australia based out of Darwin.

Looks rather pathetic t.b.h. based on current AFL games.

That I'd something Canberra and Perth 3 just don't have

A Perth derby would be a good advertisement.

 

[Run n Spread]

If we are talking afl expansion in overseas markets.
AFL has 2 things going.
1 MCG. And to a lesser degree the sports precinct. World class. No other sport in the world gets 100000 to a world class stadium. None.
2. Unique game and unique landmarks.
Sydney Perth (to a lesser extent) And the top end. Desert crocodiles the barrier reef the outback etc. Build and export the national game off that.
Most overseas people have never heard of Canberra. That's a dead end for expansion.
Granted shouldn't disqualify it in of itself but it also lacks the fundamental passion and footballing nous the top end brings.
The unique climate would be an advantage.
Every bit a home ground advantage of Geelong or Eagles and freo x 10

 

[Run n Spread]

As for not being able to attract players please. I've known people who've moved to China even a shit hole like Saudi Arabia for more $$ and opportunities. A budding afl.star would move in a heart beat

 

[Canberra Pear]

If we are talking afl expansion in overseas markets.
AFL has 2 things going.
1 MCG. And to a lesser degree the sports precinct. World class. No other sport in the world gets 100000 to a world class stadium. None.
2. Unique game and unique landmarks.
Sydney Perth (to a lesser extent) And the top end. Desert crocodiles the barrier reef the outback etc. Build and export the national game off that.
Most overseas people have never heard of Canberra. That's a dead end for expansion.
Granted shouldn't disqualify it in of itself but it also lacks the fundamental passion and footballing nous the top end brings.
The unique climate would be an advantage.
Every bit a home ground advantage of Geelong or Eagles and freo x 10

Canberra has every embassy and every ambassador, where a lot of photo and media opportunities lie. The prime minister can take visiting diplomats to games etc.

We have a lot of international people (mostly government workers) who come to work in Canberra for just a week or two, and lots that post here for six months to a few years.

These work places share the city as a part of cultural exchange. If we had a team and a chance to take people, that would be a opportunity to grow international awareness and interest.

As for not being able to attract players please. I've known people who've moved to China even a shit hole like Saudi Arabia for more $$ and opportunities. A budding afl.star would move in a heart beat

You can't just ignore the recruitment difficulties.

You can attract players, but it doesn't mean they'll be top quality. In terms of who would be willing to come, the recruitment pool will be smaller, and that'll affect the depth of the team.

 

[RedV3x]

If we are talking afl expansion in overseas markets.

Not really. You tried to link it somehow to NT AFL.

AFL has 2 things going.

1. An unique game that is fast, continuous, colorful, tribal, has optimum scoring with many spectacular moments
2. Simple laws to learn for the newcomer.

1 MCG.

When it has the really big games, but the NFL has a raft of impressive stadiums as well as international soccer.

2. Unique game and unique landmarks.

Most stadiums can rake up a good backdrop for the occasional promotional filler.
Apart from that it's quite irrelevant.

Most overseas people have never heard of Canberra.

But they'd be interested in a shot of federal parliament
.

That's a dead end for expansion.

The AFL typically uses only the top matches.

 

[RedV3x]

The prime minister can take visiting diplomats to games etc.

Except Albanese.

 

[Aussie in exile]

If we are talking afl expansion in overseas markets.
AFL has 2 things going.
1 MCG. And to a lesser degree the sports precinct. World class. No other sport in the world gets 100000 to a world class stadium. None.
2. Unique game and unique landmarks.
Sydney Perth (to a lesser extent) And the top end. Desert crocodiles the barrier reef the outback etc. Build and export the national game off that.
Most overseas people have never heard of Canberra. That's a dead end for expansion.
Granted shouldn't disqualify it in of itself but it also lacks the fundamental passion and footballing nous the top end brings.
The unique climate would be an advantage.
Every bit a home ground advantage of Geelong or Eagles and freo x 10

Listed below are 10 sports stadiums from around the world who have a bigger capacity than the MCG, and so therefore have drawn biggers crowds than the MCG

List of stadiums by capacity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The_Wookie]

Listed below are 10 sports stadiums from around the world who have a bigger capacity than the MCG, and so therefore have drawn biggers crowds than the MCG

List of stadiums by capacity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Having capacity doesnt necessarily mean draws better Look at Accor Stadium.

8 of those are US College stadiums that host less than matches a year, but they do have high demand.
The top 1 is apparently large, but also a very poor experience (according to indian cricket journos who i spoke to last year)

 

[RedV3x]

sports stadiums from around the world who have a bigger capacity than the MCG,

The discussion was about how stadiums might help promote sports being played there.
The MCG is certainly an iconic and well known stadium.
When the MCG is filled with AFL fans then the atmosphere is electric.
The Perth Stadium when filled with AFL fans also has an impressive atmosphere.
Most stadiums when filled with AFL fans impress viewers.
Stadium visage has often been used in AFL productions.
The MCG is great promtion. Perth Stadium situated on the Swan river is a frfeat promotyion.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Having capacity doesnt necessarily mean draws better Look at Accor Stadium.

8 of those are US College stadiums that host less than matches a year, but they do have high demand.
The top 1 is apparently large, but also a very poor experience (according to indian cricket journos who i spoke to last year)

I and others have had poor experiences at the MCG, so it can happen anywhere

 

[The_Wookie]

I and others have had poor experiences at the MCG, so it can happen anywhere

yes we get it, your a league fan

 

[Aussie in exile]

yes we get it, your a league fan

Says the man who posts regularly on leagueunlimited and has admitted his favourite team is the Brisbane Broncos

 

[Chip Scab1]

If we are talking afl expansion in overseas markets.
AFL has 2 things going.
1 MCG. And to a lesser degree the sports precinct. World class. No other sport in the world gets 100000 to a world class stadium. None.

Neither do we, tell me one club who can get 100,000 attendance for a home game, there's probably a few but they can't due to restrictions.

Whereas;
Real Madrid ~90,000 new
Barcelona ~ 100,000 new
Dallas Cowboys 100,000+ best
River Plate 86,000 with not 1 away fan - new
Borussia Dortmund 83000

Collingwood ~75,000 (for example) with ~15,000 neutral as a minimum.

AFL is a good game for Australia but certainly not the biggest in the world, probably 4th.

 

[The_Wookie]

Says the man who posts regularly on leagueunlimited and has admitted his favourite team is the Brisbane Broncos

Broncos is my favourite league team. The mighty Blues takes precedence over all.

I also post on rugby union and soccer forums, and sometimes the Roar dude. But play the man, and your posting here will cease.