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Player Watch #26 Zane Peucker

Did We Get This Pick Right

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RJK Tiger said:
Talkiung nonsense? The draft analysis thread has over 250 pages of complete nonsense. Know how many times I commented on it prior to the draft taking place?

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I don't talk about shit i don't know. I have SFA idea on any of these kids and had no interest watching U18's footy, the same way i have no interest in watching AFLW. I can barely watch AFL and not fall asleep these days as its boring as ****. Meanwhile, the rest of the people here spoke about it, non stop, quoting Phantom Drafts, Rookie reports etc etc etc. They made post before hand saying "this guy", "not that guy" - spoke like they actually know something.

Then when the draft happens and the players we take are not remotely close to who ANYONE here wanted, people like to forget it was them starting these narratives. Wasn't me. Peuker was not raised once from what i can see as a prospet the fans wanted, but the club had different ideas and used a pick 31 on a guy who was between 55-90 on nearly all phantom drafts.

End of the day, the club made the pick and they will be judged on it. not me. But, I will definitely be doing the judging

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JAKLAUGHING said:
But that's easily explained...
The Club have a Management Plan in place...commencing from previous years...
And are focused on getting the best outcome for it, which is building the next Premiership side.
What you or I or the other 1,000's of supporter want...don't count.
They are the guys paid to be in charge of this rebuild.
Only time will tell if they are successful...
In the meantime...the old adage applies here...only old women and barking dogs complain and comment about a job half done...
And the Management Team would rightfully want to avoid compromising their plan by picking unsuitable players when their original plan was a certain style of player...
The old adage applies here too... "don't change horses midstream"
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Yeah, they have their plan & I have an opinion on that plan. Thats all we are doing here -talking shit about shit.

Does any of this require outrage? Nope. Its Bigfooty - a place where people can argue and not have to worry about it turning into a punch-on. If we all sat around, agreeing with the club, then agreeing with each other, what a ****ing boring place this would be.



EDIT: Few wines + later, i will get a bit preachy for a moment.

To put a better touch on this. It's boring when everyone just goes along with the crowd & "agree's" with the clubs decision/direction for the sake of "fitting in" or being a "good boy/girl". I think there is a hell of a lot of this around here. Its also disingenuous & very transparent. To use the draft as an example - If you had your Cumming at 7, Grlj at 15 & Peuker not even on your radar, then YOU are disappointed. You might be disappointed because you think the club "got it wrong", or, subconsciously disappointed as you got it wrong - but the reality is your disappointed. Thats ok - be disappointed, work that out.

But the real damage caused by everyone just agreeing to keep the peace/fit in is, it takes away from the actual beauty that happens when people who understand & accept "we disagree", actually all do realise, we agree in this moment.
One of the highlights of the 2017-20 era was not just the flags, but we all generally - tend to agree with each other. It was......werid. But also beautiful. I did feel we all won those flags together. I remember being at the 2017 prelim, getting a beer and feeling incredibly anxious & wired. I looked next to me & another guy had a beer in his hand, in his late 50s & he was almost pale & we caught our eyes & he muttered "I think im going to be ****ing sick". I knew exactly why - the tension was in all of us. Its one of my favourite memories of the dynasty era. It was a bit of a nothing moment to some, but this guy did not look like the type of fan i would normally agree or relate to, but i could only could reply back "Same. I think it was easier just being shit" & we both kinda chuckled and wished each other luck. Being a Richmond supporter up until that day was full of some fun/nice moments, but mostly joint disappointment. One of the hardest games i've been to was Knights final match. Supporters felt it was a bit ugly as it wasn't his choice & Knighta deserved better. We were playing Essendon & the team had a pretty bad year and it was apparent we were in no-where land again. Bombers got on top early, and the boys crawled back. We almost won and Pettifer missed a shot to put us up in the final moments - not an easy shot, but a shot. Siren went and the disappointment and quiet of the crowd was one of the weirdest things ive seen/heard/felt at a game. An old guy behind me just started weeping. Another woman put her head in her hands and openly wept.I turned to my footy girl-pal who i had been to about 100 games straight with, to point out the tears & she was completely teared up. That night for a lot of fans just felt like a snapshot of all our disappointed optimism experienced throughout the 90s. Even Essendon fans felt bad celebrating, at least in my area of the ground. Up until that point the best Richmond memory i had was the Rich V Nth 1st quarter in 95 & the Semi comeback win against the Bombers in 95, laregely due to Knighta. Sometimes when you all feel shit, together, that can be just as memorable & powerful.

I always believe everyone here actually wants the club to do its best & every single one of their players be as good as the imagination allows. I think Samson Ryan should have been cut a year ago, but, if he can become a starter this year, I will be bloody stoked for him. As much as I called for Dow to be delisted, when it happened I was disappointed as i did hope he could prove me wrong." Never give up" is one of my favourite success stories.

We are better to disagree and just try to remain respectful to each other, first and foremost, on all things. Things go to shit once people just start targeting the member as "typical hate Richmond shit again", "not a real supporter", "troll" etc etc etc. Let the reality of disagreeing play out so that when we all do agree, we actually appreciate how great that feels.
 
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Mr Magic said:
Nah, I am in South NSW, but I have a feeling some in Queensland resonate with me. Don't know whether it is my title or what not but I know the odd one or two from a Queensland location where trying to tap into my circle( through BF mechanism) for whatever reason

I used Mr Magic after back in the day Lou Richards would call Maurice 'Mr Magic' in the call and if people saw me use this, as a header, some might tap into my vintage( sort of an indirect indication I have been following RFC for a while), others might think other things like mushrooms etc...lol
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I hadn;t considered it to be about mushrooms, but now that you mentioned it - really wish i had some magic mushrooms right about now.
 
Morro said:
This is all pie int he sky stuff though, like you said, you know **** all about the draft, so why get upset about something you know nothing about?

if you try hard enough, you could literally find a reason to get upset about anything, and you seem to be hell bent on it for the sake of it.

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Because i know the statistics..

70% of 1st & 2nd round picks don't play 100 games.

I have followed the AFL, NBA & MLB closely for 35+ years. I've seen teams rebuild through many many different systems.

The way we are approaching it has no guarantee's but a strong chance we are going to remain in the bottom 4-5, for 3-5 years with no guarantee of anything beyond that. As it stands, we are 2 years in & finished in the bottom & 2nd bottom & the current odds for 2026 have us in the same position despite another pre-season

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I'm going to give you a real gem. But when it comes to "here" - Bigfooty - we all "know shit". The difference is, some of us admit it & others go around ignorantly stating " these 16 guys who have played 20 games or less are going to be superstars".

The AFL has opened up several different mechanisms to rebuild, get better. Using just one is silly, especially when other mechanisms ie the academy's - makes the one path we have chosen the weakest path its ever been. Pick 2, was pick 7 this year.

Watching opnions here is like watching fish out of water on the deck of a boat.

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They flap around with 5 second memories.

Recall Blight being drafted. Lots of people pencilling him in as a pillar of the backline. When he was cut & some expressed surprise or disappointment, the same people targeted those for being disappointed. They went from "gonna be a star" & attacking people who said "cool your jets, he is a mid-season draft pick". When he got cut, the narrative was "didn't play the team game, the coaches know best" when people were disappointed he was cut as he showed some elite traits.


Am i confident any of the players we have taken since 2021 in the Draft will reach the level of Riewoldt, Cotchin, Dustin, Rance? Answer is no, i don't really see it - yet.
But, i have watched the Cats stay a great team well beyond our dynasty by being smart and using all mechanism's at their disposal to rebuild and remain relevant. If you want a template I think we should have been following, its the Cats & the Lions. Always taking picks at the draft. Always taking Free Agents etc.

How did they do it?

Targeted elite talent in Free Agency ALWAYS.

Always remained in the draft

Ensured their senior players careers are long by keeping them fit, motivated, valued & inspired. Dangerfield was taken in the same draft as Cotchin, a few years before Dusty was drafted. He is still leading by example & physically capable.

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RJK Tiger said:
Because i know the statistics..

70% of 1st & 2nd round picks don't play 100 games.

I have followed the AFL, NBA & MLB closely for 35+ years. I've seen teams rebuild through many many different systems.

The way we are approaching it has no guarantee's but a strong chance we are going to remain in the bottom 4-5, for 3-5 years with no guarantee of anything beyond that. As it stands, we are 2 years in & finished in the bottom & 2nd bottom & the current odds for 2026 have us in the same position despite another pre-season

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I'm going to give you a real gem. But when it comes to "here" - Bigfooty - we all "know shit". The difference is, some of us admit it & others go around ignorantly stating " these 16 guys who have played 20 games or less are going to be superstars".

The AFL has opened up several different mechanisms to rebuild, get better. Using just one is silly, especially when other mechanisms ie the academy's - makes the one path we have chosen the weakest path its ever been. Pick 2, was pick 7 this year.

Watching opnions here is like watching fish out of water on the deck of a boat.

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They flap around with 5 second memories.

Recall Blight being drafted. Lots of people pencilling him in as a pillar of the backline. When he was cut & some expressed surprise or disappointment, the same people targeted those for being disappointed. They went from "gonna be a star" & attacking people who said "cool your jets, he is a mid-season draft pick". When he got cut, the narrative was "didn't play the team game, the coaches know best" when people were disappointed he was cut as he showed some elite traits.


Am i confident any of the players we have taken since 2021 in the Draft will reach the level of Riewoldt, Cotchin, Dustin, Rance? Answer is no, i don't really see it - yet.
But, i have watched the Cats stay a great team well beyond our dynasty by being smart and using all mechanism's at their disposal to rebuild and remain relevant. If you want a template I think we should have been following, its the Cats & the Lions. Always taking picks at the draft. Always taking Free Agents etc.

How did they do it?

Targeted elite talent in Free Agency ALWAYS.

Always remained in the draft

Ensured their senior players careers are long by keeping them fit, motivated, valued & inspired. Dangerfield was taken in the same draft as Cotchin, a few years before Dusty was drafted. He is still leading by example & physically capable.

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Jesus you post some utter rubbish
for a person that claims you have followed AFL for 35 years you know SFA
 
Just to be clear… Nobody wants, or has ever asked you to agree with everything the club does.

Thing is though, that whenever you post here, it’s basically always ONLY laced with negativity about the club’s players and/or its list management moves. Or how good every other club is going… It’s almost like you think you’re being cool by doing so 😂

Either way, it’s a forum and the beauty of it is that you can say what you want. I promise you though, your dick won’t fall off if you publicly commend the club on a couple things here and there…
 
Hounddd said:
Just to be clear… Nobody wants, or has ever asked you to agree with everything the club does.

Thing is though, that whenever you post here, it’s basically always ONLY laced with negativity about the club’s players and/or its list management moves. Or how good every other club is going… It’s almost like you think you’re being cool by doing so 😂

Either way, it’s a forum and the beauty of it is that you can say what you want. I promise you though, your dick won’t fall off if you publicly commend the club on a couple things here and there…
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Didnt this happen to Tiger71 live on air?
 
Hounddd said:
Just to be clear… Nobody wants, or has ever asked you to agree with everything the club does.

Thing is though, that whenever you post here, it’s basically always ONLY laced with negativity about the club’s players and/or its list management moves. Or how good every other club is going… It’s almost like you think you’re being cool by doing so 😂

Either way, it’s a forum and the beauty of it is that you can say what you want. I promise you though, your dick won’t fall off if you publicly commend the club on a couple things here and there…
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That is actually not true.

The entire draft from last year, I agreed with. I applauded it and said they took the right strategy.

Said the North Trade was genius. Liked the pick up of Blight in the MSD. Was fine with the trade for Reschko & even Kosi as i saw them as low risk/higher reward prospects.

Agreed with hiring Yze over Mini and applauded the club over making the hard decision to take Adem over the existing Mini.


The thing is, people don't remember that as its a lot more fashionable for the same 5 posters to just target opinions they dont agree with over. and over. and over. and over again. When you write something people agree with, those people tend to say nothing back so there is no need to have to defend yourself.

The issue is as soon as someone differs from the clubs direction, people turn into Karens and just do shit like this.

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THE_GUN said:
Jesus you post some utter rubbish
for a person that claims you have followed AFL for 35 years you know SFA
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Didn’t you just post a completely inaccurate table of our salary cap?

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tony__montana said:
A minor oversight some peanuts keep missing when shit posting
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Not really.

The point is, every great player and shit player in AFL history came in the same way. So, maybe having blind faith isn't always the smartest idea. Cotchin, Rance & Dusty literally drafted themselves. They were all predicted to go where they went in every Phantom draft. Rance was actually tipped to go much higher & i was THRILLED when he slipped to our PP.

Riewoldt the club made a great move. He was the guy they wanted & they felt like they could get him at 13 when they had pick 8. So, the club traded 8 for 13 & Polak. Polak was going pretty well until he had his awful accident. The club did EXACTLY what i think they should have done with Grlj. Traded down, taken the guy they want & get another valuable asset back.
 

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RJK Tiger said:
Because i know the statistics..

70% of 1st & 2nd round picks don't play 100 games.

I have followed the AFL, NBA & MLB closely for 35+ years. I've seen teams rebuild through many many different systems.

The way we are approaching it has no guarantee's but a strong chance we are going to remain in the bottom 4-5, for 3-5 years with no guarantee of anything beyond that. As it stands, we are 2 years in & finished in the bottom & 2nd bottom & the current odds for 2026 have us in the same position despite another pre-season

View attachment 2488228

I'm going to give you a real gem. But when it comes to "here" - Bigfooty - we all "know shit". The difference is, some of us admit it & others go around ignorantly stating " these 16 guys who have played 20 games or less are going to be superstars".

The AFL has opened up several different mechanisms to rebuild, get better. Using just one is silly, especially when other mechanisms ie the academy's - makes the one path we have chosen the weakest path its ever been. Pick 2, was pick 7 this year.

Watching opnions here is like watching fish out of water on the deck of a boat.

Animated GIF


They flap around with 5 second memories.

Recall Blight being drafted. Lots of people pencilling him in as a pillar of the backline. When he was cut & some expressed surprise or disappointment, the same people targeted those for being disappointed. They went from "gonna be a star" & attacking people who said "cool your jets, he is a mid-season draft pick". When he got cut, the narrative was "didn't play the team game, the coaches know best" when people were disappointed he was cut as he showed some elite traits.


Am i confident any of the players we have taken since 2021 in the Draft will reach the level of Riewoldt, Cotchin, Dustin, Rance? Answer is no, i don't really see it - yet.
But, i have watched the Cats stay a great team well beyond our dynasty by being smart and using all mechanism's at their disposal to rebuild and remain relevant. If you want a template I think we should have been following, its the Cats & the Lions. Always taking picks at the draft. Always taking Free Agents etc.

How did they do it?

Targeted elite talent in Free Agency ALWAYS.

Always remained in the draft

Ensured their senior players careers are long by keeping them fit, motivated, valued & inspired. Dangerfield was taken in the same draft as Cotchin, a few years before Dusty was drafted. He is still leading by example & physically capable.

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This doesnt help your argument mate, soz
 
RJK Tiger said:
Not really.

The point is, every great player and shit player in AFL history came in the same way. So, maybe having blind faith isn't always the smartest idea. Cotchin, Rance & Dusty literally drafted themselves. They were all predicted to go where they went in every Phantom draft. Rance was actually tipped to go much higher & i was THRILLED when he slipped to our PP.

Riewoldt the club made a great move. He was the guy they wanted & they felt like they could get him at 13 when they had pick 8. So, the club traded 8 for 13 & Polak. Polak was going pretty well until he had his awful accident. The club did EXACTLY what i think they should have done with Grlj. Traded down, taken the guy they want & get another valuable asset back.
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You or any other one of us clowns on bigfooty can not ever confirm that:

a) we didn’t try to appropriately trade down for Grill, and or
b) Grill wouldn’t have been snapped up before our pushed back pick

Just because Twomey or any other “expert” on here didn’t have Dees or dons taking Grill, doesn’t mean they actually weren’t going to. Nobody knows what’s actually happening on draft night other than club officials in those hotbox team rooms
 
I like what the club has done in recent times though there were a series of choices that led to us needing to go the draft.
While more projecting potential, this pick, NRT and maybe Kras, is done to a clear plan. We need the breadth of talent and skills aligned to what we think will win games and finals.
I think most of us believe we still need supplement through trading/FA for either high talent or clear needs. Proven talent typically will go to teams they think will be playing finals. Trading to fill needs for where we are at is a somewhat limited strategy.
As the club has suggested, trading strategies should play out over the next few years.
We had 4 years of major success, we tried to top up but missed the mark and we were standing at the cliff. Injecting significant young talent while we still had some leaders to guide them appeared to be the necessary choice though it would mean a few difficult years. Pretty hard to directly compare us to other clubs.
We are a strong club with a strong culture and taking the right steps and will be a club of choice again soon, especially if players like Zane can show their talent at at AFL level.
 

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sregit said:
Sadly, truely contending is 5+ years away. Fingers crossed we get this rebuild correct.
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There's a difference between pushing for finals and contending.
28 we should be pushing for.
30 hopefully contending.
 
Tiger_Of_Old said:
There's a difference between pushing for finals and contending.
28 we should be pushing for.
30 hopefully contending.
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Very true they will get taste for finals and get hungry for it. One thing through we don't mess around in finals get the job done early and then switch on to beast mode go bang.
 

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