3 deletions only?????? Or 4?

[The Crows Truth]

I reckon after watching the boys extensively this year and reading about our young gus coming thru that theres a chance we might only turn over the min 3 players this year. Max 4 imh opinion

As much as Crows 98 wants to get rid of half the squad I reckon with all the previous questionables like Massie, Bode, Stevens in top form NONE of them will now go.

The 2 certainties to go are:

Clarke
Skip

And 1-2 of Jericho, Hinge, Grifften and Torney (if he reinjures)

If we can move Hinge or Griffen back onto Rookie that works

You eard it here first

 

[RoosterLad]

Haha deleting players!

Agree about Clarke, i'd get rid of Jericho too.. hes useless. I dont think Hinge has been that great for the Bays has he? SO maybe he will be moved on as well....

 

[crowsarethebest]

Skippy has done better than Jericho, Hinge and Griffen. Clarke will probably retire. Griffen might be safe because he adds height to our squad.

 

[The Crows Truth]

Skippy has done better than Jericho, Hinge and Griffen. Clarke will probably retire. Griffen might be safe because he adds height to our squad.

agree mate but what bout UPside?

 

[Alex99]

I reckon after watching the boys extensively this year and reading about our young gus coming thru that theres a chance we might only turn over the min 3 players this year. Max 4 imh opinion

As much as Crows 98 wants to get rid of half the squad I reckon with all the previous questionables like Massie, Bode, Stevens in top form NONE of them will now go.

The 2 certainties to go are:

Clarke
Skip

And 1-2 of Jericho, Hinge, Grifften and Torney (if he reinjures)

If we can move Hinge or Griffen back onto Rookie that works

You eard it here first

What’s going to happen in 3 or 4 year time when Mark Ricciuto, Simon Goodwin, Tyson Edwards, Andrew Mcleod, and a few others have retired? It’s highly likely we will find our self in the same predicament as we did in 1999, 2000 and 2001 with a very unbalanced list.

We can not stop thinking about the future simply because the present is bright. List management is just as important as player development and skill development is. It all helps you continue to have success.

But I apologize for wanting to win now and in the future, some are happy enough to have success now and bugger the future.

 

[The Crows Truth]

What’s going to happen in 3 or 4 year time when Mark Ricciuto, Simon Goodwin, Tyson Edwards, Andrew Mcleod, and a few others have retired? It’s highly likely we will find our self in the same predicament as we did in 1999, 2000 and 2001 with a very unbalanced list.

We can not stop thinking about the future simply because the present is bright. List management is just as important as player development and skill development is. It all helps you continue to have success.

But I apologize for wanting to win now and in the future, some are happy enough to have success now and bugger the future.

2 points old son

you aint the only one wanting success so no need be a donkey and apologise

our OLDEST players are still disproportionately our best players. they are the ones making us an old list. you give me 2-3 players to delete from the folllowing : bassett, hart, biglands, mcLeod, roo, goody, edwards, torney - coz thats whats really needed in terms of addressing the age inbalance. now thats the real issue in terms of age imbalance - not getting rid of 20-23 year olds

 

[Alex99]

2 points old son

you aint the only one wanting success so no need be a donkey and apologise

our OLDEST players are still disproportionately our best players. they are the ones making us an old list. you give me 2-3 players to delete from the folllowing : bassett, hart, biglands, mcLeod, roo, goody, edwards, torney - coz thats whats really needed in terms of addressing the age inbalance. now thats the real issue in terms of age imbalance - not getting rid of 20-23 year olds

Because that a result of previously bad year of drafting under Blight and Ayres

Any other year and it wouldn’t be a major problem as we could drop 3 or 4 player of the list and continue to grow the list at a steady rate, this year there is a super draft and there could be as many as 35 or 40 quality player who could get picked up (normally there is only about 15 – 20) The more quality player there are, the more that will miss out and have to get rookie listed.

The last super draft in 2001- Judd, Hodge and Ball we managed to rookie list Ben Rutten, Martin Mattner and Nathan Bock I genuinely do not believe that it was a coincidence but we also missed out on a few player in the draft as well because we were not progressive enough to look towards the future.

 

[The Crows Truth]

Because that a result of previously bad year of drafting under Blight and Ayres

Any other year and it wouldn’t be a major problem as we could drop 3 or 4 player of the list and continue to grow the list at a steady rate, this year there is a super draft and there could be as many as 35 or 40 quality player who could get picked up (normally there is only about 15 – 20) The more quality player there are, the more that will miss out and have to get rookie listed.

The last super draft in 2001- Judd, Hodge and Ball we managed to rookie list Ben Rutten, Martin Mattner and Nathan Bock I genuinely do not believe that it was a coincidence but we also missed out on a few player in the draft as well because we were not progressive enough to look towards the future.

yeah but after our standard first 3-4 picks (assuming no trades) we are talking about picks in the 70s and 80s - superdraft or not no one will convince me that getting rid of players on our list for a 'big crack' at players who will be drafted in the 70s and 80s is worth it. It aint - its stupid

 

[The Crows Truth]

Because that a result of previously bad year of drafting under Blight and Ayres

Any other year and it wouldn’t be a major problem as we could drop 3 or 4 player of the list and continue to grow the list at a steady rate, this year there is a super draft and there could be as many as 35 or 40 quality player who could get picked up (normally there is only about 15 – 20) The more quality player there are, the more that will miss out and have to get rookie listed.

The last super draft in 2001- Judd, Hodge and Ball we managed to rookie list Ben Rutten, Martin Mattner and Nathan Bock I genuinely do not believe that it was a coincidence but we also missed out on a few player in the draft as well because we were not progressive enough to look towards the future.

C98 you said the other week that you would get rid of 8 players. Look again thru our list on afc.com.au and seriosuly try and tell me how youd do that now - considering Bode, Massie, Stevens have shown THEY ARE UP TO AFL STANDARD

why would you get rid of afl standard players for untried young guys in the 'super' draft who will be going at pick 70 or 80 or 90. Please explain?

 

[Fudd]

Haha deleting players!

Agree about Clarke, i'd get rid of Jericho too.. hes useless. I dont think Hinge has been that great for the Bays has he? SO maybe he will be moved on as well....

I really like this kid and definitely believe he should stay on. We dont have many young defenders in the Bassett mould developing on the list at the moment, and i think Hinge fits that description. I think you will find he has made it in the Bays best a fair bit this year, not as a standout BOG or anything but just doing his job very well. Is composed, quick, good hands, and tough as nails. Could come into his own next season.

personally i think if its down to just 3 or 4 delistings/retirements it could be Clarke, Skippy & Jericho/Griffen.
The only reason i think Griffen would be up is our abundance of Ruckman, unless Meesen is traded.

Actualy, forgot about Gibson aswell. Could he be a chance of being delisted? i know he has been injured alot, but he certainly wouldnt be safe either.

Any talk of Torney being delisted is premature, and ridiculous quite honestly. Has ahd a couple of injuries, but is still such a good player i would be giving him every chance.

 

[Drummond]

Hinge is far too good to be delisted, he was great last week against the Legs and I see he was 3rd best on the weekend. He's a very promising youngster who is definitely worth sticking with.

 

[crowsarethebest]

agree mate but what bout UPside?

Scott Stevens has shown "upside". He's what 24? Skippy's around that age as well. You don't just leave someone on the list becuase he has upside.

 

[CharlieG]

We can not stop thinking about the future simply because the present is bright.

.

I disagree. Adelaide is one of the clubs that CAN focus entirely on now, and worry about the future when it comes.

If you win a premiership with your current list (I hope not because I'm planning on us winning another couple ) that will make two or three years of struggling down the track well worth it.

 

[The Crows Truth]

Scott Stevens has shown "upside". He's what 24? Skippy's around that age as well. You don't just leave someone on the list becuase he has upside.

Jericho , Hinge and Griffen are the 3 I was responding to in your post about 'upside'. Certainly not Skipps

Its only their first yr on the main list - except Jericho - so perhaps we will know more in another few months. certainly no absolute stand out dea-certs like Smith to get delisted this year imo

 

[Crow-mo]

You don't just leave someone on the list becuase he has upside.

would you rather gamble on a player with 'downside'? I hear Cupido is available

 

[GoSarge]

I think we should delist 5, which would give us 4 in the ND and 1 in the PSD.

There is always the option of re-drafting players we have delisted should we need to aswell.

IMO, Clarke, Skipworth, Jericho and Hinge would be the favourites to go at this stage.

 

[Fudd]

I think we should delist 5, which would give us 4 in the ND and 1 in the PSD.

There is always the option of re-drafting players we have delisted should we need to aswell.

IMO, Clarke, Skipworth, Jericho and Hinge would be the favourites to go at this stage.

Cant agree with Hinge. Is a regular, and consistent performer for the bays League team this year, whereas Griffen and Gibson are in and out.
What are your thoughts on those 2?

 

[The Crows Truth]

would you rather gamble on a player with 'downside'? I hear Cupido is available

Crow Mos

Who do ya reckon will 'get the chop' come year end. Cmon old son - stick your neck out (its always good 'fun' looking back in a few months time and reviewing ). And how many - do you agree with me that it might only be a small number this yr?

 

[crowsarethebest]

Also to come into calculations are the rookies. Elevate them or not? Delist them even though they have had some good reserves performances.?

 

[GoSarge]

Cant agree with Hinge. Is a regular, and consistent performer for the bays League team this year, whereas Griffen and Gibson are in and out.
What are your thoughts on those 2?

You make a good point Fudd. Dunno about Hinge, there are a few people ahead of him in the pecking order, whereas Gibson and Griffen are works in progress. Generally the big boys are given more time to develop physically, although maybe they may lose patience with Griffen considering he is still in the CDFC ressies ? He'd be 5th in line for a ruck spot too. Tough one. Our lack of KPP will probably ensure Gibson stays on for another year, which IMO would be a good move.

Given our player depth this year and the relative strength of the draft, it will be interesting to see which way the club goes with this one.

 

[Crow-mo]

Crow Mos

Who do ya reckon will 'get the chop' come year end. Cmon old son - stick your neck out (its always good 'fun' looking back in a few months time and reviewing ). And how many - do you agree with me that it might only be a small number this yr?

yeah, of course it will be a small number. when is it ever not?

hard to know who, as we have seen once the opportunities are there we have guys clutching them with both hands. sure there are some obvious guys in the firing line: skippy, hinge, griffen etc.

but it isn't always a matter of delist 3/4, then draft 3/4. whilst my views on what I think should happen regarding the draft and draft picks, are well known, I would not be surprised to see a high calibre of player leave the club in exchange for better quality draft picks. a couple of mid tiered players for a top 10 - 15 pick for example. something like that perhaps, to create roster space.

we don't need more filler, we need more quality. We have such depth at the moment, it is probably better for a couple of these guys to get new surroundings - perhaps they've earnt the right to play, every week.
everyone wins.

 

[Crow-mo]

You make a good point Fudd. Dunno about Hinge, there are a few people ahead of him in the pecking order, whereas Gibson and Griffen are works in progress. Generally the big boys are given more time to develop physically, although maybe they may lose patience with Griffen considering he is still in the CDFC ressies ? He'd be 5th in line for a ruck spot too. Tough one. Our lack of KPP will probably ensure Gibson stays on for another year, which IMO would be a good move.

Given our player depth this year and the relative strength of the draft, it will be interesting to see which way the club goes with this one.

don't forget that Gibson is just about the youngest guy on our list.

 

[macca23]

our OLDEST players are still disproportionately our best players. they are the ones making us an old list. you give me 2-3 players to delete from the folllowing : bassett, hart, biglands, mcLeod, roo, goody, edwards, torney - coz thats whats really needed in terms of addressing the age inbalance. now thats the real issue in terms of age imbalance - not getting rid of 20-23 year olds

Because that a result of previously bad year of drafting under Blight and Ayres

Any other year and it wouldn’t be a major problem as we could drop 3 or 4 player of the list and continue to grow the list at a steady rate, this year there is a super draft and there could be as many as 35 or 40 quality player who could get picked up (normally there is only about 15 – 20) The more quality player there are, the more that will miss out and have to get rookie listed.

The last super draft in 2001- Judd, Hodge and Ball we managed to rookie list Ben Rutten, Martin Mattner and Nathan Bock I genuinely do not believe that it was a coincidence but we also missed out on a few player in the draft as well because we were not progressive enough to look towards the future.

2 different points of view and both with validity IMO.

While there is no doubt that our oldest players are our very best players, that will eventually leave a huge gap unless we keep turning over the very average youngsters to try and get some classy ones a la Van Berlo, Knights and Douglas, with Maric and Meesen likely to be in this category as well.

I don't think we'll delist or trade 8 but I would like us to draft at least 4 and maybe even have a crack at a P/S pick as well. But 4 has to be the very minimum in a super draft if we are to be serious about the future!!

The biggest problem is that it's going to be hard to come up with them, as with one notable exception, every player that Craig gives a chance to, grabs it with both hands.

I can find 3 easily

Clarke - retired
Skippy - overtaken by the younger brigade and Douglas will push him even further out of line next year
Jericho - the one player that has failed under Craig when given the opportunity. Heart transplant required.

but I'm struggling to find the 4th or the maybe 5th.

Unless a Torney or a Welsh retire early through injury, the only ones left under the microscope are Hinge and Griffin.

When Griffin was put on the rookie list, a spokesman at the club said that he was a 3 year work in progress, so I guess it depends whether they think Griffin is on schedule or not.

Hinge is starting to run into good form. Is he good enough to take over from a Hart , Bassett or Torney eventually?? I don't know.

We all want plenty of draft selections but it's not that easy to say who goes.

 

[Drummond]

Those who are saying that the Crows might delist Gibson should have a long, hard think about what they’re saying. Despite being very successful we still have a shortage of quality KPP and therefore you need to hold onto what you got. Gibson is only 19 years old, and to delist him before he even turns 20 would just be disastrous. People often say that Jericho should be kept on for another year because he’s only 21; well Gibson is still a teenager.

No doubt Gibson’s two years with the Crows have been well below what we’ve expected, but he must be given more time, at least 4 years in my view. He’s a big presence on the field, and can play either down back or up forward. He’s never been a big ball winner, but he’s the type of player who doesn’t need many touches to have an influence. He’s extremely quick, and at this stage appears to be more comfortable as a defender. He was a good contributor early this season and was a key member of our defensive unit until he got injured. It’s important just to give him time, let him develop and then reap the rewards.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Those who are saying that the Crows might delist Gibson should have a long, hard think about what they’re saying. Despite being very successful we still have a shortage of quality KPP and therefore you need to hold onto what you got. Gibson is only 19 years old, and to delist him before he even turns 20 would just be disastrous.

Agree with this. We kept Smith on the list for 6 years mainly due to the fact he was a kpp so I can't see Gibson being delisted after 2. I also think his recent performances, and the fact we are thin on kpp depth, will save Stevens from the chop.

Surely in a strong draft we will choose 4 from the main and one from the PS. So that leaves 5 to delist. I see Clarke retiring and Skippy and Jericho as definite delistings. I think my man Hinge and Griffen may be in danger. However, two smokey's maybe be Welsh and Thorney. They have been great players at the club and have given it their all but with Roo and Massie holding down their spots where does that leave them? I would be very suprised if they were but stranger things have happened.

I don't think Hart will retire until next year.

How players perform in this years finals series may also have a huge bearing.