Player Watch 32 Travis Cloke

[Adz]

Should have been dropped last year. I suspect he is finished.

 

[TradeDraft]

What a disgrace by Buckley that it has come to this. The reason Travis is playing so badly is that he doesn't understand Buckley's game plan and therefore doesn't know where to run or know what he should be doing. This is on Buckley to make sure every single player can understand the game plan. If he isn't able to TEACH the game plan, then he shouldn't be coach.

I feel sorry for Cloke. The club has made him a scapegoat by the way they have treated him. No one would get a kick in our forward line the way we have been playing. This decision is wrong on so many levels.

If we lose on Monday, I hope it's Buckley that is the one that isn't there next week.

So IF we lose Monday. People will start Boycotting Games with Bucks as Coach?

 

[TradeDraft]

Should have been dropped last year. I suspect he is finished.

100% Agree. Easily been Dropped in 2nd Half Last Year

 

[Revon]

So IF we lose Monday. People will start Boycotting Games with Bucks as Coach?

I personally went to my last game with Buckley as coach against Melbourne.

I'm done until I see change.

 

[slugger01]

What a disgrace by Buckley that it has come to this. The reason Travis is playing so badly is that he doesn't understand Buckley's game plan and therefore doesn't know where to run or know what he should be doing. This is on Buckley to make sure every single player can understand the game plan. If he isn't able to TEACH the game plan, then he shouldn't be coach.

I feel sorry for Cloke. The club has made him a scapegoat by the way they have treated him. No one would get a kick in our forward line the way we have been playing. This decision is wrong on so many levels.

If we lose on Monday, I hope it's Buckley that is the one that isn't there next week.

Cloke doesn't understand the game plan??. It's all smoke and shadows behind the mirrors for him.

It's not hard to understand that if you have a shot from 20 metres directly in front, you should kick it between the big sticks. Suppose Buckly has a limited vocabulary and can't explain that in words Cloke will understand../???

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

I personally went to my last game with Buckley as coach against Melbourne.

I'm done until I see change.

Hope you've got Foxtel then.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Soo... Let me get this straight:

People have been complaining about Cloke for years, and lots have asked for him to be dropped for the last 12 months or so.

Now that he has been dropped - people are complaining that Bucks should've kept him in the side?

**** OFF.

(Assuming its not for injury, Cloke is being dropped for the exact problems that need to be addressed in our group right now - lack of effort both defensively and off-the-ball offensively).

It could've been any, or all, of the 22, but there is no doubt that Cloke epitomises our problems on field right now

 

[Revon]

Soo... Let me get this straight:

People have been complaining about Cloke for years, and lots have asked for him to be dropped for the last 12 months or so.

Now that he has been dropped - people are complaining that Bucks should've kept him in the side?

**** OFF.

(Assuming its not for injury, Cloke is being dropped for the exact problems that need to be addressed in our group right now - lack of effort both defensively and off-the-ball offensively).

It could've been any, or all, of the 22, but there is no doubt that Cloke epitomises our problems on field right now

Some people have complained that he hasn't been dropped. There are a lot of others who haven't. I fall into the latter category. Dropping players like Travis Cloke is the sort of rubbish than Danny Frawley would pull at Richmond when he dropped Matthew Richardson. When has Hawthorn or Sydney dropped a big name player to send a message to everyone else? Never. I see it as a reactionary move done to appease the uneducated masses who blame everything on Cloke when he doesn't have a day out. He has been treated harshly this week.

Our motto is meant to be side by side. Bullshit.

 

[TradeDraft]

Soo... Let me get this straight:

People have been complaining about Cloke for years, and lots have asked for him to be dropped for the last 12 months or so.

Now that he has been dropped - people are complaining that Bucks should've kept him in the side?

**** OFF.

(Assuming its not for injury, Cloke is being dropped for the exact problems that need to be addressed in our group right now - lack of effort both defensively and off-the-ball offensively).

It could've been any, or all, of the 22, but there is no doubt that Cloke epitomises our problems on field right now

I agree. Everyone says Drop Cloke and when he Does you think it was the Worse Move ever been done by coach.

I agree with the Cloke Dropping. Kick up the Ass might do him a World of Good

 

[TradeDraft]

Some people have complained that he hasn't been dropped. There are a lot of others who haven't. I fall into the latter category. Dropping players like Travis Cloke is the sort of rubbish than Danny Frawley would pull at Richmond when he dropped Matthew Richardson. When has Hawthorn or Sydney dropped a big name player to send a message to everyone else? Never. I see it as a reactionary move done to appease the uneducated masses who blame everything on Cloke when he doesn't have a day out. He has been treated harshly this week.

So Buckley is the Only Reason we Suck and need to be Sacked ASAP

 

[Captivating]

Soo... Let me get this straight:

People have been complaining about Cloke for years, and lots have asked for him to be dropped for the last 12 months or so.

Now that he has been dropped - people are complaining that Bucks should've kept him in the side?

**** OFF.

(Assuming its not for injury, Cloke is being dropped for the exact problems that need to be addressed in our group right now - lack of effort both defensively and off-the-ball offensively).

It could've been any, or all, of the 22, but there is no doubt that Cloke epitomises our problems on field right now

Dropping Cloke when:
a) he's not the worst player in the side
b) the gameplan prevents him being effective
c we have no ready replacement.
is the problem.

This is the sign of a coach who had lost his marbles completely and happy to dismantle the whole team to prove he is right. Buckley is a farking headcase.

 

[SApies]

I'm all for it.

Some people have complained that he hasn't been dropped. There are a lot of others who haven't. I fall into the latter category. Dropping players like Travis Cloke is the sort of rubbish than Danny Frawley would pull at Richmond when he dropped Matthew Richardson. When has Hawthorn or Sydney dropped a big name player to send a message to everyone else? Never. I see it as a reactionary move done to appease the uneducated masses who blame everything on Cloke when he doesn't have a day out. He has been treated harshly this week.

Our motto is meant to be side by side. Bullshit.

When have Hawthorn or Sydney been playing the type of footy that requires a message to be sent?

 

[Revon]

So Buckley is the Only Reason we Suck and need to be Sacked ASAP

Buckley is the major reason. Pert for appointing him and Eddie for standing by to let it happen.

I'm watching West Coast Sydney now. Wellingham is absolutely dominating off the back of his superb year last year. Why isn't he in our colours? Why is Seedsman not running out on ANZAC day 12 months after he was best afield? Whoever has been in charge of the list management and trading decisions (Buckley would shoulder most of this responsibility) deserve to have their arses kicked.

 

[TradeDraft]

Dropping Cloke when:
a) he's not the worst player in the side
b) the gameplan prevents him being effective
c we have no ready replacement.
is the problem.

This is the sign of a coach who had lost his marbles completely and happy to dismantle the whole team to prove he is right. Buckley is a farking headcase.

So you Boycotting Collingwood while Bucks is Coach

 

[TradeDraft]

Buckley is the major reason. Pert for appointing him and Eddie for standing by to let it happen.

I'm watching West Coast Sydney now. Wellingham is absolutely dominating off the back of his superb year last year. Why isn't he in our colours? Why is Seedsman not running out on ANZAC day 12 months after he was best afield? Whoever has been in charge of the list management and trading decisions (Buckley would shoulder most of this responsibility) deserve to have their arses kicked.

So let's sack the Whole Club and Start from Scratch?

 

[SApies]

Buckley is the major reason. Pert for appointing him and Eddie for standing by to let it happen.

I'm watching West Coast Sydney now. Wellingham is absolutely dominating off the back of his superb year last year. Why isn't he in our colours? Why is Seedsman not running out on ANZAC day 12 months after he was best afield? Whoever has been in charge of the list management and trading decisions (Buckley would shoulder most of this responsibility) deserve to have their arses kicked.

You're definitely not watching the game thats on now...
Dominating lol he's been okay...

 

[Revon]

I'm all for it.

When have Hawthorn or Sydney been playing the type of footy that requires a message to be sent?

So let's sack the Whole Club and Start from Scratch?

Sack Buckley and move on Pert. Eddie can stay provided he acts quickly or else he is too personally invested in decisions and needs to go as well.

We need a harder edge back at the club and a coach and system that tolerates a wide range of personalities like Malthouse did.

 

[Gone Critical]

I agree with you, however, how long do we keep going with this?. I do not believe our game plan suits him and as long as we persevere with it I do not see him improving.These are his stats since Round 13 last year.
R13. Goals: 0; Contested Marks: 0; Marks inside 50: 0
R14. Goals: 1; Contested Marks: 4; Marks inside 50: 3
R15. Goals: 0; Contested Marks: 0; Marks inside 50: 0
R16. Goals: 0; Contested Marks: 0; Marks inside 50: 0
R17. DNP
R18. DNP
R19. DNP
R20. Goals: 1; Contested Marks: 3; Marks inside 50: 2
R21. Goals: 1; Contested Marks: 0; Marks inside 50: 1
R22. Goals: 0; Contested Marks: 0; Marks inside 50: 0
R23. DNP
R1. Goals: 0; Contested Marks: 0; Marks inside 50: 0
R2. Goals: 1; Contested Marks: 1; Marks inside 50: 2 - goal was a right foot snap from 30m
R3. Goals: 2; Contested Marks: 1; Marks inside 50: 3 - 2 goals were from handball receives in goal square
R4 Goals: 2; Contested Marks: 1; Marks inside 50: 2 - 2 goals were from handball receives in goal square

I agree he has been out of form this year but your 2015 stats need amending.

Round 16 he was hurt early in the game so essentially didn't play. Like Swanny in round 1 donuts

Round 22 he didn't play
Round 14 he had a great game but let himself down with goal kicking against the Hawks 1:4. No a new issue.
Round 20 and 21 didn't look right after coming back from injury.

His form earlier in 2015 was good without being outstanding. If he gets good delivery he. Is capable still of being one of the top KPFs in the comp and easily our best

 

[Winston_Smith]

Dropping Cloke when:
a) he's not the worst player in the side
b) the gameplan prevents him being effective
c we have no ready replacement.
is the problem.

a) He's our worst tall forward at the moment. Adding injury to that makes him a liability.
b) How is the game plan preventing him? The ball is coming inside F50 but he's not getting to it. Either the players aren't kicking to him because they understandably lack confidence in his goal-kicking, or he's not competing hard/smart enough to get to the spots he should be.
c) Even if he barely touches it, Cox can't be any worse than Cloke in poor form and injured.

 

[Wayne Arnold]

Dropping Cloke when:
a) he's not the worst player in the side
b) the gameplan prevents him being effective
c we have no ready replacement.
is the problem.

This is the sign of a coach who had lost his marbles completely and happy to dismantle the whole team to prove he is right. Buckley is a farking headcase.

You wanted Cloke dropped after round 1. Who was the suitable replacement then?

This is what you wrote after round 1 in the "Is it time to drop Clokey?" thread. At least try and maintain a bit of consistency.

Cloke is the new word for shit....

Had a dodgy curry last night and spent the night with the worst case of the Clokes

 

[Gone Critical]

Really fear for what is going on at Colingwood if Cloke runs around in the VFL this week. Even for those who think his form warrants it, I don't, you must acknowledge it leaves us terribly exposed and tips favouritism to Essendon on Monday.

If Moore and Cox are our KPFs on Monday we are in trouble. Moore has 13 games experience, gets 8 posies a game this year and has kicked 3 goals in 4 matches. An expected out put from these 2 might be 10-15 possessions between them and 1-2 goals. Unless our midfield and backs can dramatically reverse their form the delivery to a 1st gamer in Cox may make his debut a nightmare. Surely Cloke should be their at least for Coxs protection.

As much as I love Bucks this smacks of desperation for a coach who is almost out the door. Hopefully the news is incorrect and Clokey lines up.

 

[TradeDraft]

Really fear for what is going on at Colingwood if Cloke runs around in the VFL this week. Even for those who think his form warrants it, I don't, you must acknowledge it leaves us terribly exposed and tips favouritism to Essendon on Monday.

If Moore and Cox are our KPFs on Monday we are in trouble. Moore has 13 games experience, gets 8 posies a game this year and has kicked 3 goals in 4 matches. An expected out put from these 2 might be 10-15 possessions between them and 1-2 goals. Unless our midfield and backs can dramatically reverse their form the delivery to a 1st gamer in Cox may make his debut a nightmare. Surely Cloke should be their at least for Coxs protection.

As much as I love Bucks this smacks of desperation for a coach who is almost out the door. Hopefully the news is incorrect and Clokey lines up.

So Essendon by 10+ Goals then.

Worth Even Going Monday then?

 

[regpies]

There's a few others that should've been dropped before Cloke, unfair to lump it all on him. Even an injured or out of form Cloke is better than any of our replacement options for him. At least he distracts the best key defender

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I personally went to my last game with Buckley as coach against Melbourne.

I'm done until I see change.

Yeah, but you bandwagon supporters are not real Collingwood people

 

[Roverjg]

Buckley is the major reason. Pert for appointing him and Eddie for standing by to let it happen.

I'm watching West Coast Sydney now. Wellingham is absolutely dominating off the back of his superb year last year. Why isn't he in our colours? Why is Seedsman not running out on ANZAC day 12 months after he was best afield? Whoever has been in charge of the list management and trading decisions (Buckley would shoulder most of this responsibility) deserve to have their arses kicked.

If you are going to quote facts don't be selective. Wellingham had one good season with us and was spasmodically good at best. This is his 4th year at WCE and his first two years were crap. Seedsman had one very good game for us and was useless before and after that game. Does this entitle him to stay in the team for how long?. We lived in expectation of better things but they weren't forthcoming. Cloke has done nothing for 3 years. I like Cloke but just because he played in a premiership does not entitle him to keep getting a game when he can't buy a kick. I like your passion however, as one of our onfield leaders and main forward, he needs to set the example and with 7 goals in the past 11 games and five of those goals were from handball receives from the goal square, he is no where near where he should be.