Player Watch #34: Liam McBean

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Was that guy also a leading VFL goal kicker?

No he wasn't.
I just think you have to see how he gets his goals or possessions.
I honestly think he'd struggle to get a kick. Just my opinion.

 

[Coach_Required]

No he wasn't.
I just think you have to see how he gets his goals or possessions.
I honestly think he'd struggle to get a kick. Just my opinion.

Maybe but that's my point, how the hell are we going to find out and also if he isn't up to standard then why the hell is he still on our list.

The club needs to realise our season is over, now is the time to work out who is capable and who is wasting our time. Fremantle are doing it yet our club still thinks its a chance ... bunch of idiots.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Maybe but that's my point, how the hell are we going to find out and also if he isn't up to standard then why the hell is he still on our list.

The club needs to realise our season is over, now is the time to work out who is capable and who is wasting our time. Fremantle are doing it yet our club still thinks its a chance ... bunch of idiots.

He will get a go.

 

[Truetiger]

Absolutely. I'd certainly like to know RFC's current view of McBean. But I imagine that if someone did ask that we'd get a response like 'he's got some talent' and 'but he just needs to show some consistency at VFL level'. I doubt we'd get a good idea of whether RFC still sees him as a future first 22 player or not.

That was asked of Dimma in the last 2-3 weeks and that was his answer.

 

[rfctiger90]

4 bags of 5 in his last 11 games. He is averaging 3 goals a game over that period so that means that he might kick 5 one week and 1 the next, or 4 one week and two the next.

Why do you have a problem with that?

Awesome. Kick all the goals in the VFL that you want.

Kicking goals in the VFL does not equate to kicking goals in the AFL.

And the standard of defenders in the VFL is infinitely inferior to the AFL.

Honestly the VFL is a substandard competition. There are a lot of div 1 local league teams who would be more than competitive at VFL level.

 

[tigertaskforce]

Will probably end up at essendon with his best mate and play good footy

and his best mate is a prime example of why he should be getting games

 

[Steven Tyler]

Sorry for the intrusion
MMM footy just mentioned McBean has informed his manager to look at other clubs for next year

 

[Truetiger]

Sorry for the intrusion
MMM footy just mentioned McBean has informed his manager to look at other clubs for next year

Most likely in his best interests.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Sorry for the intrusion
MMM footy just mentioned McBean has informed his manager to look at other clubs for next year

He should go somewhere with a gym, with weights in it.

 

[Rubber Hips]

Sorry for the intrusion
MMM footy just mentioned McBean has informed his manager to look at other clubs for next year

If true...Fair enough...the lad needs to explore all options in getting a game at AFL

In his time with us, he has been given 2 games at AFL level V filth (61% game time-9 posies/ 5 contested) and Druggos (70% game time 6 posies/ 2 contested.)

Would be good to see him have more of a go...but clearly DH and selection team don't see it that way or don't rate him

Can't blame the kid wanting more ops - good luck to him, hope he goes well

 

[partycorolla]

4 bags of 5 in his last 11 games. He is averaging 3 goals a game over that period so that means that he might kick 5 one week and 1 the next, or 4 one week and two the next.

Why do you have a problem with that?

I don't have a huge problem with it.... I just don't think he is ahead of TV for a game. TV has had 5 games of multiple games in his last 7 at AFL level.... and is generally seen to be not playing at his best.

He has games where he is great and games where he is invisible. We don't want that at AFL level.... TV was supposedly crap on Friday and kicked 3 goals... should have kicked 5. If he did kick 5 people would still be into him.... In regards to workrate at times, it's fair enough. McBean is obviously not quite ready.... however if he can become consistent on a weekly basis, he'll probably get a crack at it.

 

[tigertaskforce]

If true...Fair enough...the lad needs to explore all options in getting a game at AFL

In his time with us, he has been given 2 games at AFL level V filth (61% game time-9 posies/ 5 contested) and Druggos (70% game time 6 posies/ 2 contested.)

Would be good to see him have more of a go...but clearly DH and selection team don't see it that way or don't rate him

Can't blame the kid wanting more ops - good luck to him, hope he goes well

mentioned in another thread of maybe this one had heard he had other clubs in his ear carl,freo,ess prime suspects

 

[Jozzy]

Has the same issue as Vickery and Griff, all 200cm (give or take a few centermeters) but they're not a big bustling, contested marking forward yet they're not natural ruckmen.

 

[RobsJourney]

McBean started so well at Tigerland and has seriously tapered off hey.
He is probably sick of the lack of opportunity.
I do wonder if he is good enough for AFL level but we really need to give him the chance.

 

[Gosha]

McBean started so well at Tigerland and has seriously tapered off hey.
He is probably sick of the lack of opportunity.
I do wonder if he is good enough for AFL level but we really need to give him the chance.

I don't understand why they don't just give him a go. What have we got to lose? Our season is finished and our forward line has been dysfunctional for a while now. There's no harm in giving a guy a string games who has been our best VFL player for a couple of years now.

Hardwick is getting games into Menadue, C. Ellis and Rioli despite how poor they've been at times for the sake of their development. How come McBean never gets that opportunity?

Rioli walked straight into the team, McBean has spent years 'earning' it.

 

[Jozzy]

I don't understand why they don't just give him a go. What have we got to lose? Our season is finished and our forward line has been dysfunctional for a while now. There's no harm in giving a guy a string games who has been our best VFL player for a couple of years now.

Hardwick is getting games into Menadue, C. Ellis and Rioli despite how poor they've been at times for the sake of their development. How come McBean never gets that opportunity?

Rioli walked straight into the team, McBean has spent years 'earning' it.

Especially when Griffiths has plenty of opportunities now and hasn't done anything. He needs to have a run in the team to show what he's got.

 

[Gosha]

Especially when Griffiths has plenty of opportunities now and hasn't done anything. He needs to have a run in the team to show what he's got.

I don't get it. Like what harm would it do playing him? It's not like we're not already carrying 10 passengers already.

 

[Goldust]

Awesome. Kick all the goals in the VFL that you want.

Kicking goals in the VFL does not equate to kicking goals in the AFL.

And the standard of defenders in the VFL is infinitely inferior to the AFL.

Honestly the VFL is a substandard competition. There are a lot of div 1 local league teams who would be more than competitive at VFL level.

I reckon - given the chance - McBean might excel with higher-calibre players around him and where delivery is theoretically crisper.
Face it, our VFL team has been a clusterf*** for years. No on ehas a chance at that environemnt.
Hardwick and co. owe it to the Tiger faithful to play this kid and see if he can cut the mustard.
As another thread is titled, if McBean goes through a fourth year (and Elton a fifth) with little more than a handful of games under their belt, it just another Tiger failure.
It staggers me that people think it's acceptable (and only at Richmond) that you can have guys on the list who play two games in five years.

 

[Goldust]

I actually think Hardwick is pissed at being grilled about playing McBean two seasons ago when our forward line wasn't working and he's taking it out on the kid!

 

[rfctiger90]

I reckon - given the chance - McBean might excel with higher-calibre players around him and where delivery is theoretically crisper.
Face it, our VFL team has been a clusterf*** for years. No on ehas a chance at that environemnt.
Hardwick and co. owe it to the Tiger faithful to play this kid and see if he can cut the mustard.
As another thread is titled, if McBean goes through a fourth year (and Elton a fifth) with little more than a handful of games under their belt, it just another Tiger failure.
It staggers me that people think it's acceptable (and only at Richmond) that you can have guys on the list who play two games in five years.

KPP take longer to develop, it isn't unheard of. And these two haven't really developed the way we'd all have hoped you'd say.

And I don't disagree with the VFL team being shocking. But have you watched us play AFL lately? Our forward 50 entry is a major issue and has been for 3 or 4 years. Bombing it long is out specialty. McBean would be absolutely no chance.

 

[rideclutch]

Has the same issue as Vickery and Griff, all 200cm (give or take a few centermeters) but they're not a big bustling, contested marking forward yet they're not natural ruckmen.

Exactly. Not one or the other, just a slow mix of both.

 

[Goldust]

For music lovers, McBean reminds me of Pink Floyd and the late Syd Barratt.
Dave Gilmore and Roger Waters tell the story of how when they decided to kick Syd out of the band they didn't actually inform him. They just kept going to gigs and didn't pick Syd up anymore.
That's kinda how I see McBean, the club just doesn't pick him up to go to training or games anymore - they've just forgotten he once belonged!

 

[MightyTiger]

Awesome. Kick all the goals in the VFL that you want.

Kicking goals in the VFL does not equate to kicking goals in the AFL.

And the standard of defenders in the VFL is infinitely inferior to the AFL.

Honestly the VFL is a substandard competition. There are a lot of div 1 local league teams who would be more than competitive at VFL level.

And just to add to this, came across this site and was having a read of Beans stats, it seems even though he kicks goals he's fairly ineffectual outside of kicking a few goals.

1 Played in VFL trial against Northern Blues.
2 Played in VFL trial against Essendon.
3 VFL Two early goals then basically unsighted. Workrate has to lift. -
4 VFL Back to his best form with five goals in impressive days work. -
5 VFL In and out of the game in attack. Took some good marks and kicked one goal. -
6 VFL Unsighted in attack but appeared to be hobbling a bit. -
2015 Season
1 -
2 -
3 VFL Held to one goal in attack. Not his best day. -
4 VFL Three early goals but was then well-held by Dolphins. -
5 VFL Put his hand up for a debut with three goals. -
6 VFL Back to his best form at this level with five goals. -
7 Coll Did some goods things up forward, particularly early in the game. 4
8 VFL Just the one goal but presented well and competed hard. -
9 Ess Subbed off late after having the honour of playing on Fletcher in his 400th. 4
10 VFL Frozen out in attack. One goal from 10 possessions. -
11 VFL Bye. -
12 VFL Just the one goal but also spent time in ruck – 16 hitouts. -
13 VFL Played higher up the ground and competed hard – six tackles. -
14 VFL Superb in ruck and attack with four goals and solid tapwork. -
15 VFL Made most of chances with two goals from nine touches. -
16 VFL Starred in attack with five goals. Smart at ground level. -
17 VFL Kicked four goals and was always dangerous in attack. -
18 VFL Another bag of five goals as good run of form continues. -
19 VFL Bye. -
20 VFL Unsighted in attack. Just four touches and goalless. -
21 VFL Superb in front half with five goals. Workrate excellent. -
22 VFL Had to settle for share of goalkicking title after booting two. -
23 -
EF -
2014 Season
1 Didn’t play for Richmond VFL.
2 PM Kicked four goals to be one of the Tigers best. -
3 Ankle.
4 VFL Up and down game in first outing back. -
5 VFL Slow start but had an impact late on a tough day for talls. -
6 VFL Kicked a few goals but was unsighted for long periods. -
7 VFL Kicked two goals and had a hand in a few more. -
8 VFL Bye. -
9 VFL Quiet game in attack. Just one goal. -
10 Finger.
11 Finger.
12 Finger.
13 VFL Booted three majors and started to get back to some form. -
14 VFL Battled hard in attack without being a big factor. -
15 VFL Found enough of the ball but was forced up ground by Pies. -
16 VFL Kicked five goals in a welcome return to form. -
17 VFL Backed up last week’s five goals with another four. -
18 VFL Kicked two goals but wasn’t a big factor. -
19 VFL Rotated through ruck and forward. Kicked four handy goals. -
20 VFL Kicked another bag of five to take VFL goalkicking lead. -
21 VFL Quiet afternoon with just eight touches, two goals. -
22 VFL Held to two goals to be pipped for Frosty Miller Medal. -
23 -
QF -
EF -
SF -
PF -
GF -
2013 Season
1 PM Competed strongly up forward and showed promise. -
2 VFL Super impressive with four goals. Just a smart footballer. -
3 VFL Kicked two goals and continues to show promise. -
4 Rested.
5 VFL Caught the eye with two goals and some smart play. -
6 VFL Four goals and was very good when the ball hit the deck. -
7 VFL Bye. -
8 VFL Kicked two goals and took some nice marks. Likely type. -
9 VFL Kicked three goals and oozes x-factor. Just needs the size. -
10 VFL Moved well again. Two goals but conditions weren’t helpful. -
11 VFL Bye. -
12 Rested.
13 VFL Booted two goals, taking his season tally to 19 from seven games. -
14 VFL Kicked two goals but played further afield and did well. -
15 VFL Goalless up forward but conditions made life tough. -
16 VFL Bye. -
17 VFL Kicked two goals in difficult conditions for a big man. -
18 Rested.
19 VFL Kicked six goals to lead Coburg to an upset win. -
20 VFL Kicked another five goals and made the most of his opportunities. -
21 VFL 13 disposals and 1.4 before an ankle injury ended his day. -

 

[rfctiger90]

And just to add to this, came across this site and was having a read of Beans stats, it seems even though he kicks goals he's fairly ineffectual outside of kicking a few goals.

Exactly. Obviously the club want more from him. But some posters only care about goals.. Usually the same ones who don't rate Vickery..

 

[Bojangles17]

Sorry for the intrusion
MMM footy just mentioned McBean has informed his manager to look at other clubs for next year

At r7 , that is interesting,