4 axed for 3rd test

[BT13]

so whos turn is it in the rotation policy?

 

[OzBomber]

Give this a watch if you get the chance. Stuey MacGill, Damien Martyn, Malcolm Conn, Bryce McGain and robelinda(youtube guy) give their opinion.



Also latest news is Watson is apparently contemplating retirement. I guess there's your answer as to why he went home.

 

[sherb]

Waugh wasn't a complete waste.

My point is that Waugh is seen by many as a partially wasted talent (like it or not, it's a view held by many a cricket fan). Langer is not a wasted talent. Langer is a thinker who was prepared to give different ideas a go. Waugh was not.

Are these different ideas necessary? I think so, as far as they help players improve. Is a suspension justified for an infraction of this nature? Absolutely not.

I view Langer as having maximised his talent.

I view Mark Waugh as most definitely not having maximised his talent.

 

[worstbloke]

No one said he was. The claim was that he was a wasted talent. I can't write it in crayon for you, since this is the internet, but to be clear: Mark Waugh had loads of talent but ended his career with a mediocre record. Statistically worse than most of the other guys he batted with. Langer ended up a better bat than M. Waugh, despite being far less talented. The discussion as about attitude. Langer's is good. Mark Waugh's was not.

Warnes was good? Calling the coach a goose?

 

[The_Reaper]

Not excuses per se, but simply pointing out that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. This could have been dealt with a manner that wouldn't have weakened an already weak side or had photos of the VC checking out of his hotel and heading home half way through the tour splashed all over the papers

To drop players for non-form or non-cricketing reasons used to be reserved for the most of heinous of crimes. This isn't that. Not even ******* close.

Yeah it was dealt in a completely ******ed manner.

 

[Masto]

The Courier Mail are running a story that Watson may quit all forms of cricket as a result.

Excellent news. Guy was always overrated. Bring in some new talent.

 

[ReservoirDog]

Prolly wouldn't pick the Australian test team based on a players Powerpoint ability.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Excellent news. Guy was always overrated. Bring in some new talent.

He's our best limited overs player. How would that be 'excellent' news?

 

[kane249]

Not excuses per se, but simply pointing out that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. This could have been dealt with a manner that wouldn't have weakened an already weak side or photos of the VC checking out of his hotel and heading home half way through the tour.

To drop players for non-form or non-cricketing reasons used to be reserved the most of heinous of crimes. This isn't that. Not even ******* close.

FJ we're coming off two of our worst losses in recent history and Arthur was trying to get the group to come up with ways to improve our performance. 4 guys didn't care enough about just how badly we're going to improve it. It's a heavy handed reaction but it sends a message that unless you're committed to improving Australian cricket and not accepting mediocrity then you don't deserve a place in the side.

We're weaker for it but it sends a clear message to those in there and those aspiring to be that unless you're committed to the baggy green then don't expect to just coast your way through.

 

[Black Diamond]

Warnes was good? Calling the coach a goose?

Yeah, that was brilliant. Warne has a history of pumping up his mates while bearing grudges against those who challenged him. Gilchrist has gone out of his way to defend Buchanan and Steve Waugh thought he was brilliant. Both are less volatile and more credible than Warne. MacGill is the only other player I can think of who has publicly criticised the Buchanan.

 

[Ill Chicken]

No one said he was. The claim was that he was a wasted talent. I can't write it in crayon for you, since this is the internet, but to be clear: Mark Waugh had loads of talent but ended his career with a mediocre record. Statistically worse than most of the other guys he batted with. Langer ended up a better bat than M. Waugh, despite being far less talented. The discussion as about attitude. Langer's is good. Mark Waugh's was not.

And I continue to disagree with you. 8000 runs at an average of 41 and 11 years playing test cricket for Australia is not a wasted talent.

Edit: nor is mediocre.

 

[kane249]

Prolly wouldn't pick the Australian test team based on a players Powerpoint ability.

If 16 players had all done the simple task they were asked to do then it wouldn't have come to that.

 

[The_Reaper]

Where is this article about Watto retiring?

 

[worstbloke]

Yeah, that was brilliant. Warne has a history of pumping up his mates while bearing grudges against those who challenged him. Gilchrist has gone out of his way to defend Buchanan and Steve Waugh thought he was brilliant. Both are less volatile and more credible than Warne. MacGill is the only other player I can think of who has publicly criticised the Buchanan.

Umm, Mark Waugh?

 

[The Speaker]

Neil De Costa

oh dear

Andy Flower

Head coach.

John Rogers

?

Gary Kersten

Head coach.

Graham Thorpe

Has been a limited overs batting coach (ha) for one tour. Wowee, get on him. Also the batting coach of the England Lions. The team that our A team whitewashed.

Indian bloke is pretty sharp, can't remember his name, starts with a V

Uh huh.

The point is, bowling coaches tend to be more influential, and both of those positions are hardly pivotal.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Also latest news is Watson is apparently contemplating retirement. I guess there's your answer as to why he went home.

If he does, it will be retirement in the way Warne retired. You'll probably see and hear him as much as ever as he plies his trade in domestic T20s all over the place.

 

[Black Diamond]

And I continue to disagree with you. 8000 runs at an average of 41 and 11 years playing test cricket for Australia is not a wasted talent.

Mark Waugh is held in very high regard for someone with such ordinary figures. His supporters confuse looking good as a batsman and being good as a batsman.

 

[Ill Chicken]

Langer probably suggested that Clarke go up the order.

 

[Black Diamond]

Umm, Mark Waugh?

See previous posts about Waugh's career. I'm talking about the very best. I'm sure we could find a few fringe players from the mid-2000's who didn't care for Buchanan.

 

[The_Reaper]

I doubt Watto would retire over just this.

There has to be other issues behind the scenes.

 

[Ill Chicken]

Mark Waugh is held in very high regard for someone with such ordinary figures. His supporters confuse looking good as a batsman and being good as a batsman.

His stats suggest he is a very good batsman and a very good cricketer. I'm not disagreeing with your opinion on Buchanan, I think he is great and have been to a couple of his lectures but what works for some blokes doesn't work for others. I don't think Buchanan would hold it against Waugh or Warne for their opinion of him, as his intellect is superior to that.

 

[worstbloke]

oh dear

What are you oh dearing ?

Head coach.

Started as a batting coach

?

Father of Chris, former WA batting coach.

Head coach.

Again, started as a batting coach.

Has been a limited overs batting coach (ha) for one tour. Wowee, get on him. Also the batting coach of the England Lions. The team that our A team whitewashed.

You're aware that batting coachs fix technique yeah?

Uh huh.

The point is, bowling coaches tend to be more influential, and both of those positions are hardly pivotal.

Bowling coaches tend to over coach, try posting on something you have some knowledge on.

 

[Black Diamond]

I doubt Watto would retire over just this.

There has to be other issues behind the scenes.

There have been players who didn't like each other still play well together before (Warne and Gilchrist for example). Whatever is going on must be really toxic.

 

[The_Reaper]

What are you oh dearing ?




.

Probably because he coaches Hughes.

 

[The_Reaper]

There have been players who didn't like each other still play well together before (Warne and Gilchrist for example). Whatever is going on must be really toxic.

This is mid 1980s Kim Hughes level