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Player Watch #44 Jake Lloyd

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Jake Lloyd

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Jake Lloyd is a ball magnet, an endurance machine, a clean user of the footy and a calming influence on the Sydney Swans’ half-back line. The former rookie-listed Swan averaged 27.22 disposals per match between 2016 and 2019 and won the club’s 2018 Bob Skilton Medal. Lloyd became the quickest Swan in history to reach 100 senior games when he ran out against Hawthorn at the MCG in Round 8, 2018. He was then recognised as one of the best players in the league when he was selected for Victoria in the State of Origin match for bushfire relief in February 2019. Draft history: 2013 Rookie Draft selection (Sydney) No. 15; 2014 AFL Draft rookie elevation (Sydney).

Jake Lloyd

DOB: 20 September 1993
DEBUT: 2013
DRAFT: 2014
RECRUITED FROM: Horsham Demons (Vic)/North Ballarat U18

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Number37 said:
He hasn't been in great form but geez at least part of the problem is that he (like everyone else) doesn't have anyone to kick it to.
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Kicks to the opposition pretty cleanly !

The OP is a bit harsh as he does get to good spots and pick up a lot of ball, but that's part of the problem. Nanka gets just 3 possessions and 2 of those go to the opposition. OK that's two turnovers. Lloyd gets a shit load more so when he starts to turn them over (and he has been doing that a lot lately) he's hurting us a lot more than he's helping. If 50% of his disposals are ineffective he's costing us a man down (or worse if our defence get caught out on the turnover). He's not the only one doing it but he's the most consistently poor of late.
 
bungee said:
Kicks to the opposition pretty cleanly !

The OP is a bit harsh as he does get to good spots and pick up a lot of ball, but that's part of the problem. Nanka gets just 3 possessions and 2 of those go to the opposition. OK that's two turnovers. Lloyd gets a shit load more so when he starts to turn them over (and he has been doing that a lot lately) he's hurting us a lot more than he's helping. If 50% of his disposals are ineffective he's costing us a man down (or worse if our defence get caught out on the turnover). He's not the only one doing it but he's the most consistently poor of late.
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I don't disagree, his form has been disappointing this year but he is still only a kid in his 2nd year.
Symptomatic of our whole year, our bottom 6 or so players have not been as good this year as they were in 2011-2014 together with the form of the senior players and it looks less than appealing.
 
No depth says it all. How many of our bottom six would get a game at say Hawthorn? I'm thinking they would have played at Box Hill all year!

I think Lloyd is an adequate footballer at present but if he doesn't improve then he could be a casualty like Bird as we add more midfielders with class like Heeney, Mills and ummm Dunkley
 
Had a disappointing year but how you can claim his skills have always been poor is beyond me. He's no Jetta by foot but he's proven he has the ability to make space for himself, make good decisions and deliver very well. I'm not sure how you couldn't have seen that in him last year.
 

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terrible thread, younger player who always runs hard for the team, just sometimes not into the correct places... less than 50 games he will improve.

More upside than cunningham and better kick than robinson et al.

Having a go at the young players on the list for our stars not preforming is ridiculous. I expect up and down performances from them, parker... McVeigh not so much.
 
The biggest issue to me with Lloyd is just his physical stature. He's relatively small and relatively light and while I haven't seen him not try to stick a tackle or put on physical pressure, he's just not a difficult person to get through. Dunno if he will get much bigger or not as his career goes on, perhaps he will. I trust him to be more assertive physically than Cunningham at this stage, for whatever that's worth.

But nevertheless, I think the thread is an overreaction. Without him, we'd often have almost zero run in the final quarter and he's still busting his arse to find space and create some run. Not bad for a 21 year old to be taking that initiative and trying to lead in that sense.
 
C-grade footskills, D-grade football player and a pea heart who gets physically outmuscled in 99% of 1 on 1 contests. Or so i've been told.

Reality:

2nd year blues after being taken in the 2012 rookie draft o_O

Have I left anything out?

Had great disposal skills last year and people were talking of him in the same vein as Heeneys kicking to advantage (rightly so). This year much like the team at various stages has turned to butter but that's life - Another preseason will see him pick up again, perhaps if he produces the same next year comments such as yours will become more plausible until then though give the kid a break lol.
 
bungee said:
Can't agree. Lloyd usually is running by himself in plenty of space but he hesitates, stops our run and then clangers the ball (6 clangers in one game). No idea what's up with him but the last month or so he has gone from Rolls Royce to broken down Fiat in the skills stakes.

The question is does he need to get some confidence back in the NEAFL ? (if that's even possible)
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Yeh ok.

So when he males the space, works his guts out to do it, demands the pill, breaks a line and looks up to ............ nothing, what is he supposed to do?

He is one player that actually attempts to find a target. Watch the game, it is obvious he is looking, just nothing to go to most of the time or a terrible useless pathetic forward structure that gives him the option of kicking to outnumbers quite often involving an aged player that can't compete in those contests who falls over a lot.

It happens time after time after time.And not just to him. Hell we all have seen them just boot the ball to open spaces because nothing is there.

Yeh the boy is out of form but really playing in this **** up of structure must break the hearts of kids like him.

I guess Brownlow Medal chance Craig Bird was right - get ball, roost ball, someone else's problem, all fixed.
 
Punts said:
Don't see the problem here , besides Jetta/Heeney , Lloyd is using it like the rest of the mids

Caught the fever I guess

League Footy is not for pea hearts , don't agree with that call
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And that all of them do it sort of suggests that the way we play the game, tight, congested and in a tiny fraction of the field, probably does mean that these guys are going to BY DEFAULT **** up a lot because everything is tight and under pressure or a Hail Mary miracle of beating your opponents 2 to 3 on one.

We got these guys out of the same talent pool as the rest of the competition so it is not the players.

It is what they are coached and made to do.

Easy cop out to give the coaching staff a pass mark when they have a good and capable list but have it spluttering along with an obstinate and boring game style that all oppositions can now counter.

The fact we win games despite the ridiculous nature of how we play the game tells me our guys are geniuses for outplaying the limitations of the coaching panel and are a better list than most.

They deserve a medal for covering Horses's arse for so long and don't deserve to be whacked as much as we do and now Horse is doing.

Clarkson would be a major flag chance with this list even given it is not perfect as no list is.
 
Second year blues sums it up.

Expectations on this board are over the top. We won in 2012 because the whole team performed in September. We lost to Collingwood, Hawthorn and Geelong before the finals that year. We've got too many not performing right now. We have 4 games to turn this form around. If the team's form turns around I think his will too.
 
Punts said:
Don't see the problem here , besides Jetta/Heeney , Lloyd is using it like the rest of the mids

Caught the fever I guess

League Footy is not for pea hearts , don't agree with that call
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i think thats the problem

i agree though lloyd's form is a microcosm of our under performing midfield
 

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Wayne Swan said:
No depth says it all. How many of our bottom six would get a game at say Hawthorn? I'm thinking they would have played at Box Hill all year!

I think Lloyd is an adequate footballer at present but if he doesn't improve then he could be a casualty like Bird as we add more midfielders with class like Heeney, Mills and ummm Dunkley
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Surely You jest don't you Wayne ? Not in the class of his father in the foot skills department but let's just say the last thing we need is another midfielder who cannot kick. Let's face it when on the rare occasion lately he actually gets the ball McVeigh is our only midfielder that kicks the ball in a manner that you would describe as class. The rest are disgraceful at best that continually turn the ball over and with next to no penetration what so ever. Jetta the exclusion. When on he resembles class but cannot be safely put in that category because of his erratic lack of consistency.
 
Lloyd looked every bit the composed clean ball user in his first year last year and without having future champion written all over him looked like a solid senior player of the future. It is amazing what a terrible GF where more Senior players shit themselves and dogged it and some continue to do this year will do to a young players confidence.

Shit themselves and dogged it a bit harsh ???? No its a ******* fact that was laid bare in the 2nd half down at Geelong. Redemption for some of these Senior blokes will never transpire unfortunately and that is a blight on what they have done previously and should be remembered for. The way some of them are going at the moment at this stage of their careers it is going to be a disappointing end. Richards Excluded as the poor bastard should be on a walking frame.
 
Sir Swans said:
Lloyd should be playing under less pressure because his senior team mates should be doing their job,
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Yes just like Bradley Hill runs a muck for the majority of the time while the more senior players at Hawthorn rightly do the heavy lifting. Then again that side's work ethic & commitment resembles a side that I used to know sadly.
 
MarkP said:
Yeh ok.

So when he males the space, works his guts out to do it, demands the pill, breaks a line and looks up to ............ nothing, what is he supposed to do?

He is one player that actually attempts to find a target. Watch the game, it is obvious he is looking, just nothing to go to most of the time or a terrible useless pathetic forward structure that gives him the option of kicking to outnumbers quite often involving an aged player that can't compete in those contests who falls over a lot.

It happens time after time after time.And not just to him. Hell we all have seen them just boot the ball to open spaces because nothing is there.

Yeh the boy is out of form but really playing in this **** up of structure must break the hearts of kids like him.

I guess Brownlow Medal chance Craig Bird was right - get ball, roost ball, someone else's problem, all fixed.
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Agree no lack effort but Lloyd has had time, space and options. He's simply hesitating and missing targets and that breaks down our attack and creates the turnover. Last year he was a dead-eye dick. 2nd year blues ? Who knows.

Not sure what Bird has to do with that. You have some beef with him ?
 
MarkP said:
And that all of them do it sort of suggests that the way we play the game, tight, congested and in a tiny fraction of the field, probably does mean that these guys are going to BY DEFAULT **** up a lot because everything is tight and under pressure or a Hail Mary miracle of beating your opponents 2 to 3 on one.

We got these guys out of the same talent pool as the rest of the competition so it is not the players.

It is what they are coached and made to do.

Easy cop out to give the coaching staff a pass mark when they have a good and capable list but have it spluttering along with an obstinate and boring game style that all oppositions can now counter.

The fact we win games despite the ridiculous nature of how we play the game tells me our guys are geniuses for outplaying the limitations of the coaching panel and are a better list than most.

They deserve a medal for covering Horses's arse for so long and don't deserve to be whacked as much as we do and now Horse is doing.

Clarkson would be a major flag chance with this list even given it is not perfect as no list is.
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Clarko this, Clarko that. You really do seem to love him.

Lloyd's lost his mojo. It's not the coach. Hopefully he gets it back
 

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Where has all this talk of dropping Lloyd come from? Are you kidding me? He's finally adjusted to the Swans- his kicking has gone downhill he's missing targets and he's inconsistancy is frustrating. All he needs to do is come out mid week and say it's unswanlike and won't happen again and Longmire will put him into the leadership team.

Longmire is finally shaping the team.
 
bungee said:
Clarko this, Clarko that. You really do seem to love him.

Lloyd's lost his mojo. It's not the coach. Hopefully he gets it back
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You are so wrong.

I don't seem to love Clarkson. I do. Huge man crush. Wish he was our coach. Can we steal him? I am obsessed. Picture on the roof above the bed. Got a blow up doll with a Clarko mask. Dreamy.

I would swap Horse for him every day of the week and feel dirty at the inequity of it all. Wouldn't you? Would you swap Horse for Clarkson?

Totally agree Lloyd is out of form but the fact remains it can't be easy playing in this structure if you have a brain. Disagree he has options from your previous post as that is the issue actually - there are few options made up of a vacant forward line or outnumber up the line a lot of the time but ok, let's go with he sees options everywhere.

Sort of doesn't compute with the fact, as Grim showed in the OTC graphic, we sit in the highest possessions per goal category alongside other powerhouses like Brisbane, Carlton and St Kilda. Must be all those options he sees. Options...options everywhere. If so how come we take so many possessions to score?

You see space and options - I see congestion and stagnancy. I see a kid desperate to give the ball to advantage but because we play in a tiny portion of the field he struggles to find an open target. You see some guy hesitating and spudding it up. That's fine. We all see the world in different ways.

I am just happy we have a gem of a kid that works his guts out to get a whole heap of the ball and his first instinct is to not bomb it away but look for something.
 
MarkP said:
You are so wrong.

I don't seem to love Clarkson. I do. Huge man crush. Wish he was our coach. Can we steal him? I am obsessed. Picture on the roof above the bed. Got a blow up doll with a Clarko mask. Dreamy.

I would swap Horse for him every day of the week and feel dirty at the inequity of it all. Wouldn't you? Would you swap Horse for Clarkson?

Totally agree Lloyd is out of form but the fact remains it can't be easy playing in this structure if you have a brain. Disagree he has options from your previous post as that is the issue actually - there are few options made up of a vacant forward line or outnumber up the line a lot of the time but ok, let's go with he sees options everywhere.

Sort of doesn't compute with the fact, as Grim showed in the OTC graphic, we sit in the highest possessions per goal category alongside other powerhouses like Brisbane, Carlton and St Kilda. Must be all those options he sees. Options...options everywhere. If so how come we take so many possessions to score?

You see space and options - I see congestion and stagnancy. I see a kid desperate to give the ball to advantage but because we play in a tiny portion of the field he struggles to find an open target. You see some guy hesitating and spudding it up. That's fine. We all see the world in different ways.

I am just happy we have a gem of a kid that works his guts out to get a whole heap of the ball and his first instinct is to not bomb it away but look for something.
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I would swap Horse for a Donkey at this stage.
 
I must say I've been concerned about Lloyds form for a few weeks now.

Last year, his use of the ball was exceptional. I was amazed at how much time he seemed to have to make decisions, he remained composed and would deliver the ball perfectly.

This year, there have been many occasions where I felt he made uncharacteristic errors.

I think he's finding it tough with the additional pressure with the team performing poorly, which is understandable for a young guy. He'll get better at dealing with that as he gains more experience. However, I really want to see him respond to the dip in form.

I must admit he's not the most physical presence, but he's a lot like jetta in that respect. He'll have to put a lot of time in the gym and build that capacity over several seasons.
 
GoTheSwannies said:
I must say I've been concerned about Lloyds form for a few weeks now.

Last year, his use of the ball was exceptional. I was amazed at how much time he seemed to have to make decisions, he remained composed and would deliver the ball perfectly.

This year, there have been many occasions where I felt he made uncharacteristic errors.

I think he's finding it tough with the additional pressure with the team performing poorly, which is understandable for a young guy. He'll get better at dealing with that as he gains more experience. However, I really want to see him respond to the dip in form.

I must admit he's not the most physical presence, but he's a lot like jetta in that respect. He'll have to put a lot of time in the gym and build that capacity over several seasons.
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Yeh is pretty slight.

But remember Goodes when he started. A strong wind looked like it knock him over. Fyfe was similar. He obviously is not going to get to that type of strength but a few years of pre season and gym work will have him put on a fair few kgs of muscle yet
 

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