Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[31550]

You were the first to mention it, without any evidence. Any other comments about Gus having autism derive from your claim.

No I wasn't - I even gave you a link to a much earlier mention of autism in this thread.

 

[Lady O]

No I wasn't - I even gave you a link to a much earlier mention of autism in this thread.

I think you was.

 

[31550]

SA Police later issued a statement saying the station was private property and media needed “express permission” to enter.

I'm not understanding what authority police have to make such a statement? Only the owner or normal resident can decide who may enter their property. Anyone with a reason for entering may enter, as long as they don't interfere with the owner or residents "enjoyment" of the property, and leave immediately upon owners or residents' lawful request.
A reporter may argue they have a reason to be there to seek an interview in the course of doing their job. This is no different from say, a meter reader entering the property, or a random person asking for assistance or directions. There is no trespass unless they are asked to leave by an authorised person.

 

[31550]

I think you was.

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Seriously? You don't recognise a question?
Do you see the question mark? I said I THINK I READ? Not an assertion but a QUESTION. Nobody corrected me at the time. This was a month ago. Its therefore a reasonable premise. I am not the only person who mentioned it. It was reported elsewhere. Maybe true, maybe not. Do you know for a fact that Gus did not suffer from autism or are you just doing your regular thing?

 

[FR0GGY]

Seriously? You don't recognise a question?
Do you see the question mark? I said I THINK I READ? Not an assertion but a QUESTION. Nobody corrected me at the time. This was a month ago. Its therefore a reasonable premise. I am not the only person who mentioned it. It was reported elsewhere. Maybe true, maybe not. Do you know for a fact that Gus did not suffer from autism or are you just doing your regular thing?

Surely best to assume no autism unless there’s evidence?

 

[31550]

Surely best to assume no autism unless there’s evidence?

I didn't make it up out of thin air. It was reported in the media. Maybe incorrectly I don't know.

Just as Gus playing in the sandpit at 5pm was reported in the media. There is no evidence of that. Does that mean we shouldn't discuss it or consider it?

 

[FR0GGY]

I didn't make it up out of thin air. It was reported in the media. Maybe incorrectly I don't know.

Just as Gus playing in the sandpit at 5pm was reported in the media. There is no evidence of that. Does that mean we shouldn't discuss it or consider it?

Doesn’t seem to be a commonly reported thing though, I don’t think anyone has linked to somewhere that has said Autism?
Anyway it seems largely irrelevant to the case.

 

[Frank Bunn]

No I wasn't - I even gave you a link to a much earlier mention of autism in this thread.

Your post mentioning autism was post 55. The post you linked to was post 124. I stand by my statement that any other comments about Gus having autism derive from your unsubstantiated claim.

 

[MP_]

Doesn’t seem to be a commonly reported thing though, I don’t think anyone has linked to somewhere that has said Autism?
Anyway it seems largely irrelevant to the case.

It could be relevant though, imagine doing a search for someone that was a nonverbal autistic kid.

 

[31550]

Doesn’t seem to be a commonly reported thing though, I don’t think anyone has linked to somewhere that has said Autism?
Anyway it seems largely irrelevant to the case.

True. It's probably only relevant if you ascribe to the theory that Gus wandered off on his own accord. Which seems unlikely, given that he hasn't been found anywhere near the property.

 

[Wallace52]

It could be relevant though, imagine doing a search for someone that was a nonverbal autistic kid.

There is a general consensus that Gus is autistic and non verbal.

Imo 31550

 

[FR0GGY]

It could be relevant though, imagine doing a search for someone that was a nonverbal autistic kid.

True. It's probably only relevant if you ascribe to the theory that Gus wandered off on his own accord. Which seems unlikely, given that he hasn't been found anywhere near the property.

I’m pretty much of the opinion now that he hasn’t wandered off.

 

[DemurePrincess]

Your post mentioning autism was post 55. The post you linked to was post 124. I stand by my statement that any other comments about Gus having autism derive from your unsubstantiated claim.

I actually mentioned it but I was stating I found it hard to believe a child would wander off and disappear even if the child was on the spectrum or not. I also believe and have for some time that he didn’t just wander off. He was either taken or something terrible has happened on the property, either by accident or deliberate which truly is heart breaking.

I just hope that his little soul and remains are found for complete closure of a very sad case.

Or I hope he gets found alive somewhere completely unrelated to the property for whatever reasons

 

[MP_]

I’m pretty much of the opinion now that he hasn’t wandered off.

I felt that way for a while but with the terrain I’ve seen on their property and the large saltbushes I could easily imagine the body has been missed. I don’t know how they conducted the search eg did 100 people all walk in a straight line??? I just don’t think they could have covered every square metre of that property and that he’s there somewhere. However I can equally understand that it may not be as it’s being reported.

 

[MP_]

Also a mate of mine mentioned yesterday that they didn’t empty the damn to find a body it would have been to look for potential evidence. Body’s will float once they’ve sunk to the bottom as gasses build up.

 

[Frank Bunn]

SA Police later issued a statement saying the station was private property and media needed “express permission” to enter.

I'm not understanding what authority police have to make such a statement? Only the owner or normal resident can decide who may enter their property. Anyone with a reason for entering may enter, as long as they don't interfere with the owner or residents "enjoyment" of the property, and leave immediately upon owners or residents' lawful request.
A reporter may argue they have a reason to be there to seek an interview in the course of doing their job. This is no different from say, a meter reader entering the property, or a random person asking for assistance or directions. There is no trespass unless they are asked to leave by an authorised person.

I agree that the police instructions for the media to stay off the property carry no legal weight. The owner can request someone on their property to leave. If they refuse to leave the police can be called for assistance. That would carry over so that someone who had previously been told to leave the property would be trespassing if they entered again. There's probably a grey area if the property owner has previously stated that 'the media' were not welcome to enter the property. But the family hasn't been forthcoming with any public statements like that. You certainly can't wave shotguns at trespassers.

Meter readers have a legal right to enter a property. Delivery drivers etc have an implied right.

 

[winyhill]

I didn't make it up out of thin air. It was reported in the media. Maybe incorrectly I don't know.

I dont think so, are you able to provide a source?

I have just done a very extensive search and the first mention is your mention in this forum, still nothing in any mainstream media, not even in that rag, Daily Mail.

Your post mentioning autism was post 55. The post you linked to was post 124. I stand by my statement that any other comments about Gus having autism derive from your unsubstantiated claim.

Yes, all others definitely followed this. How internet rumours get started. Vicious unsubstantiated ones.

It could be relevant though, imagine doing a search for someone that was a nonverbal autistic kid.

Exactly and I stand by my comment that, if true, that information would be very relevant to the conduct of the search. Therefore, it would have been communicated to the hundreds of volunteer searchers in the early days. No way would it not have been leaked very early on, too newsworthy for someone not to let it slip to a reporter.

Look how the trans thing came out and that has zero relevance to the disappearance.

 

[MP_]

There is a general consensus that Gus is autistic and non verbal.

Imo 31550

I cannot find a single article reporting this, social media posts might be mentioning it but I have yet to read a printed statement of it.

 

[winyhill]

I'm not understanding what authority police have to make such a statement? Only the owner or normal resident can decide who may enter their property

Obviously the family requested Police to make that statement.

However, I am certain there will now be a lock on that gate. Actually surprised that they hadn't locked it before now.

 

[Kurve]

Unless someone can provide a reliable press source verifying Gus is autistic, it should be considered a rumour or speculation.

 

[winyhill]

Unless someone can provide a reliable press source verifying Gus is autistic, it should be considered a rumour or speculation.

Not even that. Just someone trying to stir up controversy. Then it gets repeated enough times and the original source is obscured and it becomes an accepted narrative...

 

[31550]

I have just done a very extensive search and the first mention is your mention in this forum,

And that 'mention' was in the form of a question, not an assertion. I had read ut somewhere and asked the question to see if it was factual? This was a month ago. Nobody ever resolved the question. All further discussion has been hypothetical. For instance, I suggested that perhaps someone was not a suitable carer for " a 4YO child with Autism". This does not assert that Gus suffers from autism. It just hypothesizes that, if he did, he would have additional needs for adequate care.

It's been over a month. Can we let this go now? We don't know if Gus is autistic or not. It has been suggested that it's a possibility, that's all. Why the witch-hunt?

 

[Kurve]

Not even that. Just someone trying to stir up controversy. Then it gets repeated enough times and the original source is obscured and it becomes an accepted narrative...

The idea's possibly been conflated with or sprang from another little boy's disappearance, AJ Alfalak in NSW, who was autistic and non verbal.

We'll just pull that kind of speculation up now but I don't think any harm's been done.

 

[Underarrest_]

I dont think so, are you able to provide a source?

I have just done a very extensive search and the first mention is your mention in this forum, still nothing in any mainstream media, not even in that rag, Daily Mail.

Yes, all others definitely followed this. How internet rumours get started. Vicious unsubstantiated ones.

It could be relevant though, imagine doing a search for someone that was a nonverbal autistic kid.

Exactly and I stand by my comment that, if true, that information would be very relevant to the conduct of the search. Therefore, it would have been communicated to the hundreds of volunteer searchers in the early days. No way would it not have been leaked very early on, too newsworthy for someone not to let it slip to a reporter.

Look how the trans thing came out and that has zero relevance to the disappearance.

Yes Daily mail have ramped up the label “trans Grandmother” article headings. Must still be in the dark ages.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Also a mate of mine mentioned yesterday that they didn’t empty the damn to find a body it would have been to look for potential evidence. Body’s will float once they’ve sunk to the bottom as gasses build up.

Maybe, but they didn't drain the dam completely. The guys were wading through it waist deep. It's a horrible thought but a body wouldn't float if it was weighed down.