Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[31550]

You’re assuming Gus is being forgotten as the victim in this case.
It doesn’t mean there can’t be other cases of victimisation. Police would have to have an understanding of family dynamics when investigating their case.

Why would they need an understanding of family dynamics to find a boy who wandered off? They are saying there is no evidence of foul play so family dynamics is irrelevant.
Find Gus first, then worry about Shannon. She reported Gus missing, she didn't report any criminal activity.

 

[dc3]

Maybe the family don’t know what happened. Grandma Shannon was meant to be the one with the children. Maybe she was.
I could think of many reasons why an accident if that happened might be concealed.

Think perhaps but not justify as Cody has said a few times this is illegal but worse that that you would have to be the worst of the worse to do so

 

[Underarrest_]

At this point of weirdness I guess anything is possible. Maybe Shannon has been coercively controlled by a family member.
Is she a victim of elder abuse or domestic violence? Does she have a diagnosis of dementia, memory impairment? Should she have been left alone with the sole responsibility for 2 very young and vulnerable children at her age? That’s if in fact she was the only one allegedly looking after the children, but it’s the story they are telling.
People may say it’s victim blaming of the older lady. But, hypothetically, if Gus had fallen from farm equipment that Shannon was driving and he died, she could be charged with manslaughter and sent to prison. She would not be considered a victim of crime or be provided support from a victim contact officer. IMO thinking outside the box only.

I’m more saying that Shannon and the family are being supported by a VCO. Currently the VCO will assess/identify areas of need/support for family members which could in turn help with the investigation.

Think perhaps but not justify as Cody has said a few times this is illegal but worse that that you would have to be the worst of the worse to do so

No justification from me.

 

[Underarrest_]

Why would they need an understanding of family dynamics to find a boy who wandered off? They are saying there is no evidence of foul play so family dynamics is irrelevant.
Find Gus first, then worry about Shannon. She reported Gus missing, she didn't report any criminal activity.

Ok I’ll go back to Gus wandered off into the wilderness.
Family dynamics is irrelevant.

 

[Underarrest_]

Sadly I don’t think Gus will ever be found. I hope I’m wrong.

 

[passball]

Ok I’ll go back to Gus wandered off into the wilderness.
Family dynamics is irrelevant.

Of course it's relevant.
When will the foul play card get pulled out?
What are everyone's theories at this point?

 

[Curious Clues]

Of course it's relevant.
When will the foul play card get pulled out?
What are everyone's theories at this point?

I agree too, family dynamic and /or disfunction at a child’s home is always relevant when bad things happen.

 

[mrskafoops]

Who is Fleur Tiver? Not understanding the relevance.

I reckon we should just call her River Flute

 

[KurtNeverDied]

Family dynamics and/or the fear of consequences of it being found that Gus had a fatal accident via negligence are very likely to explain everything.
I have been thinking about this case with logic and odds from day one and I can tell you if Sportsbet had a market this would be odds on.

 

[Wallace52]

Family dynamics and/or the fear of consequences of it being found that Gus had a fatal accident via negligence are very likely to explain everything.
I have been thinking about this case with logic and odds from day one and I can tell you if Sportsbet had a market this would be odds on.

“Sportsbet logic!” I agree though and the simplest explanation is most often the right one. When you hear hooves, think horses not zebras.

 

[31550]

So, do folks agree that any scenario other than 'wandered off alone' is equivalent to 'foul play'?
Lying to police, concealing or withholding evidence, abduction, covering up an accidental death, ... all involve SOMEONE doing something wrong. (Whether or not it's criminal is up to the courts to decide).

 

[Kurve]

Having watched a wild boar eat a large kangaroo a few days ago and with Daily Mail reporting there were feral pigs around Yunta, it's a horrible thought but the possibility he was attacked remains.

I'm hoping Daily Mail had the wrong information because the only reports of feral pigs in SA I'm aware of, are on the Limestone Coast, some way from Yunta and outside the dog proof fence. If big pigs are known to wreck fences.

What I saw, changed my perspective on the behaviour of wild pigs.

 

[Earls Smother]

Having watched a wild boar eat a large kangaroo a few days ago and with Daily Mail reporting there were feral pigs around Yunta, it's a horrible thought but the possibility he was attacked remains.

I'm hoping Daily Mail had the wrong information because the only reports of feral pigs in SA I'm aware of, are on the Limestone Coast, some way from Yunta and outside the dog proof fence. If big pigs are known to wreck fences.

What I saw, changed my perspective on the behaviour of wild pigs.

Even if that scenario were possible, a skilled aboriginal tracker is going to observe signs of what happened. The pig is not going to disguise evidence.

 

[Kurve]

Even if that scenario were possible, a skilled aboriginal tracker is going to observe signs of what happened. The pig is not going to disguise evidence.

Of course an aboriginal tracker if going over enough ground, should find signs of pigs if they're there. Not necessarily signs of Gus imo.

This boar took the whole thing, there was no sign of anything the following day. I didn't get on the ground with a magnifying glass but on a quick look it was completely cleaned up.

 

[31550]

Having watched a wild boar eat a large kangaroo a few days ago and with Daily Mail reporting there were feral pigs around Yunta, it's a horrible thought but the possibility he was attacked remains.

I'm hoping Daily Mail had the wrong information because the only reports of feral pigs in SA I'm aware of, are on the Limestone Coast, some way from Yunta and outside the dog proof fence. If big pigs are known to wreck fences.

What I saw, changed my perspective on the behaviour of wild pigs.

There are a (relatively) small number of feral pigs in the Northern Flinders Ranges, so it's theoretically possible they could be found around nearby Yunta region, but they need water so would typically only be found near waterholes, troughs or irrigated areas. A very limited number of these type of locations in the search area, so they would likely have already been searched. And as pointed out above by Earls, a feral pig attack would leave easily detectable traces. I'd rank the likelihood of this scenario as very low.

 

[Kurve]

There are a (relatively) small number of feral pigs in the Northern Flinders Ranges, so it's theoretically possible they could be found around nearby Yunta region, but they need water so would typically only be found near waterholes, troughs or irrigated areas. A very limited number of these type of locations in the search area, so they would likely have already been searched. And as pointed out above by Earls, a feral pig attack would leave easily detectable traces. I'd rank the likelihood of this scenario as very low.

Yes, as I've said before Gus being taken by a wild animal is the least likely thing to have happened if I think investigators might want to get it on the record and exclude the possibility of feral pigs.

If it goes to a Coroner's Inquiry, it will come up given someone's already said they're around.

I personally think they're probably not and farmers should shoot them on sight.

Never seen anything like this crazed boar, we made enough noise and had it under lights, it knew we were there and it didn't even look up or pause. It had no fear.

 

[Curious Clues]

Josie would know about any feral animals on the property. I think it’s safe to assume she doesn’t have a gun at the ready just for snakes and pretty journos.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

So, do folks agree that any scenario other than 'wandered off alone' is equivalent to 'foul play'?
Lying to police, concealing or withholding evidence, abduction, covering up an accidental death, ... all involve SOMEONE doing something wrong. (Whether or not it's criminal is up to the courts to decide).

The primary objective would be to retrieve the body, so having 'foul play' equate to no belief of intentional harm keeps everyone onside.
The last thing they want is a hostile Family as the environment is hostile enough.
My guess is they're hoping whatever happened comes to light..

 

[31550]

Intriguing Parallels Emerge Between Missing Boys Gus Lamont and William Tyrrell - Internewscast Journal

Explore the mysterious disappearances of Gus Lamont and William Tyrrell, drawing eerie parallels between the two cases.

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Interesting that Candace says The sole photo of missing Gus Lamont was not released until days after he vanished, and his family background was suppressed.

I didn't know Gus's family background was suppressed. Seems to be all over the media who they are.

 

[Wallace52]

Even if that scenario were possible, a skilled aboriginal tracker is going to observe signs of what happened. The pig is not going to disguise evidence.

That’s assuming the timeline of a 27 September disappearance is correct!!

IMO

 

[KurtNeverDied]

The primary objective would be to retrieve the body, so having 'foul play' equate to no belief of intentional harm keeps everyone onside.
The last thing they want is a hostile Family as the environment is hostile enough.
My guess is they're hoping whatever happened comes to light..

Be interesting what kind of surveillance they could do, if any.
Obviously could bug the place and phone if legal. Tracking the cars would be handy.
Heard about this satellite that can GeoFence any area, so when a vehicle passes that fence you can get an alert.
Wonder if one day we'll have satellites recording every inch of the globe so when a crime happens they could apply for the vision and see what happened.

 

[31550]

Be interesting what kind of surveillance they could do, if any.
Obviously could bug the place and phone if legal. Tracking the cars would be handy.
Heard about this satellite that can GeoFence any area, so when a vehicle passes that fence you can get an alert.
Wonder if one day we'll have satellites recording every inch of the globe so when a crime happens they could apply for the vision and see what happened.

Not much point bugging anybody now. And not much tech that would work out there anyway. How would they plant any devices without the residents noticing?
I sincerely hope we never get to the Big Brother state you suggest in your last paragraph but don't doubt that one day we will. Hope I have shuffled off before that happens.

 

[Cataholic]

Not much point bugging anybody now. And not much tech that would work out there anyway. How would they plant any devices without the residents noticing?
I sincerely hope we never get to the Big Brother state you suggest in your last paragraph but don't doubt that one day we will. Hope I have shuffled off before that happens.

I can't remember which case it was, but recently the police bugged a house while 3 residents were sleeping.

They have the means.

 

[Kurve]

I can't remember which case it was, but recently the police bugged a house while 3 residents were sleeping.

They have the means.

It was the Greg Lynn case, they bugged his house while they were all sleeping.

 

[31550]

It was the Greg Lynn case, they bugged his house while they were all sleeping.

True they bugged Lynn's house and car, but most of the recordings were ruled inadmissible and none of the covert surveillance was ever heard by the jury. The surveillance did increase confidence that police had their man, but he was already the prime suspect. He was convicted on forensic evidence (ballistics and bone fragments) and his own admissions to burning the bodies and destroying the campsite.

It would be pretty hard in this case for the cops to go before a judge asking for a court order for covert surveillance while they publicly maintain there is no evidence of foul play. This would be purely speculative and any far, right-minded judge would send them packing. In order to get a surveillance order they would need to show good reason, meaning some evidence implicating the family.