A. Browne

[tugga]

The thing that made Browne's game so good in my eyes, was that he provided a physical presence, especially at the centre bounces and that is something that Graham simply has not been offering.
If we could somehow manage to cobmbine Gus' skills with Browne's heart, we would have a player.

 

[RichosGuns]

Full credit to him.

He is the same age of Vickery and is only in his 3rd year. He isn't a world beater but he is still young

 

[Kapital city TIGER]

love him already, and hope he gets a few games at full tilt to bring him along, but, if he played 20 games like that we couldnt get rid of him fast enough. Id like to see how we go playing tall somewhere along the line Gus and Browne with Viks to keep em fresh till the end

 

[partycorolla]

The thing that made Browne's game so good in my eyes, was that he provided a physical presence, especially at the centre bounces and that is something that Graham simply has not been offering.
If we could somehow manage to cobmbine Gus' skills with Browne's heart, we would have a player.

Yeah couldn't agree more Tugga, just needs to eliminate some of the decision making problems out of his game. That handball that got chopped off would have made it a 5 goal game but went straight back and made it a 3 goal game.... made me very nervous at the time.

His physicality really should be a wake up call to Gus.... that is what is required. Loved his work around the ground, got involved in passages of play as a link up and then the long option when required. I just get nervous when he handballs... should improve as he gets used to playing at the level...

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

You're all mad!

I am as frustrated with Graham as any richmond supporter, but to say that Browne's game on the whole was anything other than crap is insanity. You've all had your standards lowered so much by a couple of bad games from Graham that you've lost sight of reality If Graham played a game like Browne did I am pretty sure bigfooty's servers would crash after 50k+ richmond supporters jumped on here to abuse him.

 

[El Tigre]

I expected a much worse game from him than what he delivered. It was his first AFL for some time, and for his age, experience and position, provided something. He made plenty of mistakes, but he'll learn from them. I'll take someone who gives 110% and has lesser ability, and than someone who has a bit more ability, but only gives 50%.

 

[fred swift]

Lets not go nuts. He was solid in the hitouts, gave it his all, and was a contributor.

He absolutely refused to ever kick the ball...will need to improve that part of his game if he's to be a future player. Also to take pack marks.

As it stands, I think he offered slightly less than Gus...but obviously it was Brownes first game in a while and he did well, give him another gig

Still, its amazing to see praise for Browne when Graham did more in just about all of his games this year.

lets face it both are just ok gus better mark but ruck work and heart buster browne any day of the week

 

[Madtiger2006]

He made 3 mistakes in his first game back. Ohhhh noooooooo

 

[Kapital city TIGER]

lets face it both are just ok gus better mark but ruck work and heart buster browne any day of the week

and both of them have their best footy in front of them!

 

[Bojangles17]

lets face it both are just ok gus better mark but ruck work and heart buster browne any day of the week

I wouldnt say Gus was a better mark..there wa alot to like about Browney i didnt mind Post having a brief cameo in ruck either, has a good leap and seemed to get a few taps, it mixes things up and boy the rucks need a spell...Keep Vicks in front half, he looks much more a player down there, he barely gets off the ground at centre bounce, much like gus

 

[sante]

Was a good effort for someone playing their 5th or so game.

 

[carn tigez]

I wouldnt say Gus was a better mark..there wa alot to like about Browney i didnt mind Post having a brief cameo in ruck either, has a good leap and seemed to get a few taps, it mixes things up and boy the rucks need a spell...Keep Vicks in front half, he looks much more a player down there, he barely gets off the ground at centre bounce, much like gus

Also liked Post in the ruck, when it comes to ground he's almost like another midfielder and is competitive enough in the hit outs.

 

[McGun]

I think people here are a bit rough and Gus and times but if Browne can eliminate some of those silly mistakes he can become out 1st ruckman, but it was his first game in a while and his 6th game overall. Was very good on the stat sheet with 15 touches and 24 hit outs very good agianst 3 top ruckmen.

 

[thecotch]

The thing that made Browne's game so good in my eyes, was that he provided a physical presence, especially at the centre bounces and that is something that Graham simply has not been offering.
If we could somehow manage to cobmbine Gus' skills with Browne's heart, we would have a player.

Gus has skills???? WTF!!!

 

[Frank Grimes]

I think some Richmond supporters on this site should give players a proper chance before writing them off.

Two years ago many were critical of King. Now is invaluable because the opposition defenders are always looking over thier shoulders scared of his presence.

Two years ago many were criticing Riewoldt saying that he wouldn't make it as a forward or he should be a third forward at best. He has been the best forward in the comp now for the last 1 1/2 years.

Last year people were calling for Nahas to be delisted. Now he provides a lot of zip and reasonable skills in the midfield.

Last year there were many critics of Rance. He has shown that if he improves his decision making we have something to work with.

At the start of this year people were questioning Vickory's place on the list. He has been developing well so far this season.

One thing I have learned from all this is that Hardwick and his coaching department has a better idea about our players abilities then those who post here of the Richmond forum.

 

[Tetley Tigers]

^^^^^^^

Exactly

We would be in perpetual draft, recruit and trade if you listed to some posters on this board

 

[Rayzorwire]

A bit of historical perspective is in order when it comes to Graham and Browne.

We've bought ruckmen from elsewhere for a long time (Dear, Stafford, Marsh, Knobel, Simmonds, Cartledge to name a few) and it's got us absolutely nowhere long term.

The requirements for a ruckman have gone to the moon and back in recent years. Not so many years ago you could have a 15yr career as a 195cm ruckman who played 60% game time in the ruck at most. The percentage of players capable of fitting that bill wasn't high even back then, now we want them only 200cm+, aggro as wounded bulls, capable of running for 110 minutes a game, with the agility and skills of midfielders - several per club no less.

It only takes a vague acquaintance with reality to realise that it just ain't gonna happen, these attributes are not at all common and we're asking previously unheard things of ruckmen.

We've got three, maybe four solid rucks who are improving all the time and tick as many of those boxes as we have a right to reasonably expect given their age, experience and what we gave up for them. We haven't had to beg a b-grader off a better club, or overpay at the trade table for a bloke whose body is gone or going, we're growing our own and they're doing us proud.

Down the track the ruck situation league-wide will be very different I suspect with clubs mostly needing players who can stand up to the punishment week in week out, there's going to be rucks dropping like flies if the current situation continues and having several strong workhorse rucks on the list will be an absolute essential.

 

[Dr Awkward]

Reminds me a bit of Shane Mumford. Not bad today gave 100% could do with a bigger tank but that will come, had a few clumsey moments but he's only young. Massive unit and should keep his spot.

I agree with this. Seems to have more upside than Graham and showed a lot of heart.

 

[Norfolk & Clew]

Can't be arsed reading the whole thread but I thought he did reasonably well, a few typical ruckman errors like that turnover handball in the middle of the ground but he didn't frustrate me anywhere near to what Gus normally does.

I don't know what it is about Gus but he just rubs me up the wrong way, always seems to make mistakes. Browne didn't do this to me on Saturday night.

 

[Googstar]

A bit of historical perspective is in order when it comes to Graham and Browne.

We've bought ruckmen from elsewhere for a long time (Dear, Stafford, Marsh, Knobel, Simmonds, Cartledge to name a few) and it's got us absolutely nowhere long term.

The requirements for a ruckman have gone to the moon and back in recent years. Not so many years ago you could have a 15yr career as a 195cm ruckman who played 60% game time in the ruck at most. The percentage of players capable of fitting that bill wasn't high even back then, now we want them only 200cm+, aggro as wounded bulls, capable of running for 110 minutes a game, with the agility and skills of midfielders - several per club no less.

It only takes a vague acquaintance with reality to realise that it just ain't gonna happen, these attributes are not at all common and we're asking previously unheard things of ruckmen.

We've got three, maybe four solid rucks who are improving all the time and tick as many of those boxes as we have a right to reasonably expect given their age, experience and what we gave up for them. We haven't had to beg a b-grader off a better club, or overpay at the trade table for a bloke whose body is gone or going, we're growing our own and they're doing us proud.

Down the track the ruck situation league-wide will be very different I suspect with clubs mostly needing players who can stand up to the punishment week in week out, there's going to be rucks dropping like flies if the current situation continues and having several strong workhorse rucks on the list will be an absolute essential.

Great post Rayzor. People assume that there are thousands of potential Sanilands and Cox's just waiting for a chance. I think we should have drafted at least one more ruck prospect. I think 4 is now the absoltute minimum number of rucks you need on an AFL list. Two Senior rucks (25+ 100kgs) with at least two other developing rucks. We have Gus, Browne, Derickx and Tyrone (who is currently playing as a key forward).

 

[Infamy]

Second this.

I must have been watching a different game to the rest of you guys. Bring back Gus until Browne learns to kick, handle the ball and tap to advantage. 6 clangers!!! Only a couple of players on our list have had more clangers in a game this year. Graham's worst clanger count this year is 4.

That said, his bodywork was reasonably good, and he had a knack of moving to the right positions. But if he is going to fumble the ball a dozen times before he actually controls it, what use is it being able to find space?

You do realise that free kicks against are considered clangers? Browne had 4 frees against and two of those were for diving into the pack to get the ball and getting a holding the ball against him. One in particular I remember looked like he tried to dive in to clear the ball out of the pack but he rolled over the ball and it ended up under his stomach when the pack jumped on top of him. So in reality he had two clangers from skill errors, the rest were free kicks. For a player in his 6th game and 1st for the season at AFL level, I have no problem with that.

 

[tugga]

You do realise that free kicks against are considered clangers? Browne had 4 frees against and two of those were for diving into the pack to get the ball and getting a holding the ball against him. One in particular I remember looked like he tried to dive in to clear the ball out of the pack but he rolled over the ball and it ended up under his stomach when the pack jumped on top of him. So in reality he had two clangers from skill errors, the rest were free kicks. For a player in his 6th game and 1st for the season at AFL level, I have no problem with that.

The thing is mate, Browne got down and got dirty and wasn't afraid to get on his hands and knees when the pill was on the ground.
Gus would have been standing huffing and puffing, 30 metres away from the contest.

 

[thecotch]

The thing is mate, Browne got down and got dirty and wasn't afraid to get on his hands and knees when the pill was on the ground.
Gus would have been standing huffing and puffing, 30 metres away from the contest.

Gus huffs and puffs 5 mins into the game. Looks like he's just run the boston marathon.

 

[Bazzar]

Brownes 13% hitout eff was the highlight, especially the 2 times he palmed perfectly down a Bomber throat that lead to 2 goals.

 

[Spluff]

Did Browne shit in your breakfast cereal, Bazzar?