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Haven't had time to participate much this season, so mods and old Tiger comrades, forgive me the indulgence of creating a new thread, just wanted to get a few things out there in one place rather than spread them over a dozen or more existing threads and lose track of those conversations.

1) We are verging on 100k members. If you'd gone back in time not so many years ago, this would be completely beyond the realms of comprehension. From the 'Save Our Skins' era where the emptying of every Richmond child's piggy bank (hand raised) really mattered (in itself a begging on bygone days campaign), through to the 'Richo is worth watching' era, we've survived by the skin of our teeth to get to where we are now. Powerful words like 'pride' and 'faith' are not sufficient - there are no words to describe the transformation the older supporters amongst us have witnessed.

2) We have in recent times got close to the most out of our list, but there is still so much more to come. We finally have genuine hunger and depth, confidence and belief. All the ingredients for sustained decades of success.

3) Midfield depth working both ways wins premierships. Earlier this season I perhaps raised a few eyebrows in saying that Prestia adds 10% to us when he takes the field close to full fitness. Lambert is another along the same line of thinking. Vlaustin would be a full time budding midfield star at the vast majority of other clubs, Higgins is a gold plated born ball winner and instinctive right choice ball user, Rioli will dominate like Maurice in time. With half a dozen other candidates left unmentioned, from both ends of the ground we have a stack of midfield potential lining up and jostling for opportunities. Martin and Cotchin have had average seasons and it's scarcely mattered. We set up behind and ahead of the ball well enough (partly through the power of that latent midfield depth and partly through smart structure) to keep us in every contest.

4) Key players are moving well and building into peak form. Top of the list is Nank our Tank, he never stops learning, he's moving well, his touch and timing has never been better and he's handling his epic workload beautifully. On a side note, I loved the disdain for indulging the terminally cringe worthy BT overtures post-match. Dusty is gradually shrugging off the niggles which have hampered his output all year and we all know Cotch will be hungry and ready when he needs to be. Rance is rolled gold in his prime and Jack has never been better, you wouldn't swap him for any other forward in the league, he's easily the most complete forward going around. Have to be favourite for his first JD.

5) We're seen by some good judges as being critically vulnerable to injury to key players, I would argue we're not as much as it may seem at face value. I'd back us to cover any of the 'big 4' come finals or multiple seasons if need be. Our midfield depth covers our 'star' mids, our back line covers itself, I'd back any of our key defenders to go forward and cover Jack - Astbury would be my first choice. As surprised as many have been at him becoming a premiership level key defender, I think he'd surprise even more being thrust into the role of no.1 forward target.

6) Traditionally 'most improved' goes to a junior player, I'd argue that this year despite the fact he'd be considered too senior for consideration, there would be no more fitting winner than Titch Edwards. We all know how valuable he is when he's 'on', this year he's been at or close to his best far more often than any previous season. He's quadrupled the number of games he's been comfortably named in the top half a dozen and that's been massively important in our transition from top-8 contender side to top of the ladder premiership.

7) Nothing would please me more in preseason 2019 than to see an opposition hff automatically move to guard Short's swing to his right side, then be dumbfounded by him bourking (a great word which has been lost from footy's vocabulary) left and delivering 55m long and low on his left foot.

8) Finally, a massive slap on the back to Hardwick and our coaching group. Anyone familiar with my posts from 2016 and prior to that will all too easily recall the fact that I completely disagreed with our game plan and football philosophy and was self admittedly a bit over the top and abusive in expressing that, particularly in Hardwick's direction. I'm on record ad infinitum stating my belief that the heart and core of successful football is really simple; winning the ball, forcing it forward and keeping it there. I very strongly believed our coaching focus under Hardwick was light years away from basing itself on this fundamental principle and that he should be moved on accordingly. Throughout the early-mid Hardwick period I remained steadfast in three beliefs; that Brendon Gale was an outstanding man to lead the club to success; that despite my objections to the rest, Hardwick had done a very good job from what I saw and heard of bonding the playing group; and that we did have a list that should be contending for a flag. Self evidently, our list has proved itself, we play and present like a group whose bond is unprecedented in the history of football.

In a season that maybe even a majority of Tiger supporters expected us to plateau or fall a bit after the heights of last year, we have become a better side. We've done that with only Jack of our 'star' players improving their output from 2017. Maybe Martin has been able to give 60% of last season, maybe 80% for Cotchin, Rance you could argue for parallel or a 5-10% dip. Yet we are undoubtedly a better side and the coaching group should be highly commended regardless of how the fortunes of this year turns out.

Personally I think the RFC looks a red hot chance to take flag streaks into uncharted territory and it's really difficult to poke holes in that belief or support any argument that we'll fall away - we have so much untapped improvement to come.

Heroes from the top of administration right on down to the blokes battling in the VFL for a spot in a flag side, there's so much to love about what is happening at Richmond.

So happy to be witnessing it.
 
It’s a great time to be a tiger.
It sure is...
Enjoy it while it lasts tiger fans...
For as the day turns into night, keep those footy worries out of sight.
Close those eyes and go to sleep, for all the good times at the moment are for tigers fans to enjoy and keep...Sweet dreams Tiger Fans...
For the moving finger of the Footy Gods writes; and, having writ that the Tigers won the 2017 GF and may win the 2018 and more, Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit Shall lure that finger back to cancel half a Line, Nor all the oppo Salty Tears wash out a word of it..
The Media/Salty oppo dogs bark but the Tiger train/caravan moves on...and on and on...
For the Wheel of Time and AFL Seasons turns, AFL Seasons come and pass, leaving footy memories that become Legend. The Legend of Dusty & Co fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age and AFL Season that gave it birth comes again..
For now...for the Tiger faithful our greatest Glory is not in never Falling and losing that odd interstate game, But in rising every time we Fall! Go Tigers!
For now it's the time of the 2018 Season when Tiger love runs high in this time, give it to us all easy Dusty & Co And let you try with pleasured hands to take us all in the MCG September sun to (promised lands of GF success!) To show us every Tiger & Salty oppo It's the Time Of The Footy Season for Tigarian loving..
You know what?!? It's Tiger Time!
Our time is now!
 
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Even though I haven’t always agreed with what Rayzorwire has said over the years, I always love reading his posts. There’s just something about each and everyone one of his posts
 
Other than calling Shane Edwards "Titch" liked your post a lot :D

Shane has said a few times he doesnt like it.

Kids are no longer coming to me post game with "Why Dad, Why"
2017/2018 has made every one of their painful seconds prior to that worth it.
 
Haven't had time to participate much this season, so mods and old Tiger comrades, forgive me the indulgence of creating a new thread, just wanted to get a few things out there in one place rather than spread them over a dozen or more existing threads and lose track of those conversations.

1) We are verging on 100k members. If you'd gone back in time not so many years ago, this would be completely beyond the realms of comprehension. From the 'Save Our Skins' era where the emptying of every Richmond child's piggy bank (hand raised) really mattered (in itself a begging on bygone days campaign), through to the 'Richo is worth watching' era, we've survived by the skin of our teeth to get to where we are now. Powerful words like 'pride' and 'faith' are not sufficient - there are no words to describe the transformation the older supporters amongst us have witnessed.

2) We have in recent times got close to the most out of our list, but there is still so much more to come. We finally have genuine hunger and depth, confidence and belief. All the ingredients for sustained decades of success.

3) Midfield depth working both ways wins premierships. Earlier this season I perhaps raised a few eyebrows in saying that Prestia adds 10% to us when he takes the field close to full fitness. Lambert is another along the same line of thinking. Vlaustin would be a full time budding midfield star at the vast majority of other clubs, Higgins is a gold plated born ball winner and instinctive right choice ball user, Rioli will dominate like Maurice in time. With half a dozen other candidates left unmentioned, from both ends of the ground we have a stack of midfield potential lining up and jostling for opportunities. Martin and Cotchin have had average seasons and it's scarcely mattered. We set up behind and ahead of the ball well enough (partly through the power of that latent midfield depth and partly through smart structure) to keep us in every contest.

4) Key players are moving well and building into peak form. Top of the list is Nank our Tank, he never stops learning, he's moving well, his touch and timing has never been better and he's handling his epic workload beautifully. On a side note, I loved the disdain for indulging the terminally cringe worthy BT overtures post-match. Dusty is gradually shrugging off the niggles which have hampered his output all year and we all know Cotch will be hungry and ready when he needs to be. Rance is rolled gold in his prime and Jack has never been better, you wouldn't swap him for any other forward in the league, he's easily the most complete forward going around. Have to be favourite for his first JD.

5) We're seen by some good judges as being critically vulnerable to injury to key players, I would argue we're not as much as it may seem at face value. I'd back us to cover any of the 'big 4' come finals or multiple seasons if need be. Our midfield depth covers our 'star' mids, our back line covers itself, I'd back any of our key defenders to go forward and cover Jack - Astbury would be my first choice. As surprised as many have been at him becoming a premiership level key defender, I think he'd surprise even more being thrust into the role of no.1 forward target.

6) Traditionally 'most improved' goes to a junior player, I'd argue that this year despite the fact he'd be considered too senior for consideration, there would be no more fitting winner than Titch Edwards. We all know how valuable he is when he's 'on', this year he's been at or close to his best far more often than any previous season. He's quadrupled the number of games he's been comfortably named in the top half a dozen and that's been massively important in our transition from top-8 contender side to top of the ladder premiership.

7) Nothing would please me more in preseason 2019 than to see an opposition hff automatically move to guard Short's swing to his right side, then be dumbfounded by him bourking (a great word which has been lost from footy's vocabulary) left and delivering 55m long and low on his left foot.

8) Finally, a massive slap on the back to Hardwick and our coaching group. Anyone familiar with my posts from 2016 and prior to that will all too easily recall the fact that I completely disagreed with our game plan and football philosophy and was self admittedly a bit over the top and abusive in expressing that, particularly in Hardwick's direction. I'm on record ad infinitum stating my belief that the heart and core of successful football is really simple; winning the ball, forcing it forward and keeping it there. I very strongly believed our coaching focus under Hardwick was light years away from basing itself on this fundamental principle and that he should be moved on accordingly. Throughout the early-mid Hardwick period I remained steadfast in three beliefs; that Brendon Gale was an outstanding man to lead the club to success; that despite my objections to the rest, Hardwick had done a very good job from what I saw and heard of bonding the playing group; and that we did have a list that should be contending for a flag. Self evidently, our list has proved itself, we play and present like a group whose bond is unprecedented in the history of football.

In a season that maybe even a majority of Tiger supporters expected us to plateau or fall a bit after the heights of last year, we have become a better side. We've done that with only Jack of our 'star' players improving their output from 2017. Maybe Martin has been able to give 60% of last season, maybe 80% for Cotchin, Rance you could argue for parallel or a 5-10% dip. Yet we are undoubtedly a better side and the coaching group should be highly commended regardless of how the fortunes of this year turns out.

Personally I think the RFC looks a red hot chance to take flag streaks into uncharted territory and it's really difficult to poke holes in that belief or support any argument that we'll fall away - we have so much untapped improvement to come.

Heroes from the top of administration right on down to the blokes battling in the VFL for a spot in a flag side, there's so much to love about what is happening at Richmond.

So happy to be witnessing it.
I was worried that 2018 would see the team track more like the Dogs of 2017. So for RFC to perform on a par with last year is the pleasing thing to watch. I was worried about a hangover but the team looks like this team is on a mission to hunt flags.
The ladder position at Round 18 is not that important. What is important is playing the tigers brand of football and let results happen. The Big 4 are not starring collectively but the 22 that run out on the field give it their all. Astbury, Grimes, Vlas, Short, Conca, have improved. Higgins has been a great find. Prestia, Rioli have come back in good touch. Lambert & Sheds have gone up a level.
Now season 2018 has been lucky for us that our list is virtually unchanged, the challenge will be to juggle ~ the gameplan; the retirement the 30 year olds; the development of the fringe players; increased salary demands of current players; bringing in of new players. Not an easy task. I hope we keep all our coaches for a while, and of course Mr.Neil Balme if we have hopes of this success continuing beyond this season. Now I'm of a vintage where I'm seen the late 60s early 70s success & am stoked that we got 1 flag in could live with that. I hope Balmey gets a GR level of success without the bloodshed.
 
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Mostly agree as there's nothing too controversial. But:

"Martin and Cotchin have had average seasons" need to add "compared to their ridiculously high standards". Other teams would kill for their 2018 performances.

bourking (a great word which has been lost from footy's vocabulary) because the word is baulking.
BAULK Using deception as the ball carrier to beat an opponent, by sidestepping or feigning disposal. afl.com.au/glossary-every-stat-explained
 

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Haven't had time to participate much this season, so mods and old Tiger comrades, forgive me the indulgence of creating a new thread, just wanted to get a few things out there in one place rather than spread them over a dozen or more existing threads and lose track of those conversations.

1) We are verging on 100k members. If you'd gone back in time not so many years ago, this would be completely beyond the realms of comprehension. From the 'Save Our Skins' era where the emptying of every Richmond child's piggy bank (hand raised) really mattered (in itself a begging on bygone days campaign), through to the 'Richo is worth watching' era, we've survived by the skin of our teeth to get to where we are now. Powerful words like 'pride' and 'faith' are not sufficient - there are no words to describe the transformation the older supporters amongst us have witnessed.

2) We have in recent times got close to the most out of our list, but there is still so much more to come. We finally have genuine hunger and depth, confidence and belief. All the ingredients for sustained decades of success.

3) Midfield depth working both ways wins premierships. Earlier this season I perhaps raised a few eyebrows in saying that Prestia adds 10% to us when he takes the field close to full fitness. Lambert is another along the same line of thinking. Vlaustin would be a full time budding midfield star at the vast majority of other clubs, Higgins is a gold plated born ball winner and instinctive right choice ball user, Rioli will dominate like Maurice in time. With half a dozen other candidates left unmentioned, from both ends of the ground we have a stack of midfield potential lining up and jostling for opportunities. Martin and Cotchin have had average seasons and it's scarcely mattered. We set up behind and ahead of the ball well enough (partly through the power of that latent midfield depth and partly through smart structure) to keep us in every contest.

4) Key players are moving well and building into peak form. Top of the list is Nank our Tank, he never stops learning, he's moving well, his touch and timing has never been better and he's handling his epic workload beautifully. On a side note, I loved the disdain for indulging the terminally cringe worthy BT overtures post-match. Dusty is gradually shrugging off the niggles which have hampered his output all year and we all know Cotch will be hungry and ready when he needs to be. Rance is rolled gold in his prime and Jack has never been better, you wouldn't swap him for any other forward in the league, he's easily the most complete forward going around. Have to be favourite for his first JD.

5) We're seen by some good judges as being critically vulnerable to injury to key players, I would argue we're not as much as it may seem at face value. I'd back us to cover any of the 'big 4' come finals or multiple seasons if need be. Our midfield depth covers our 'star' mids, our back line covers itself, I'd back any of our key defenders to go forward and cover Jack - Astbury would be my first choice. As surprised as many have been at him becoming a premiership level key defender, I think he'd surprise even more being thrust into the role of no.1 forward target.

6) Traditionally 'most improved' goes to a junior player, I'd argue that this year despite the fact he'd be considered too senior for consideration, there would be no more fitting winner than Titch Edwards. We all know how valuable he is when he's 'on', this year he's been at or close to his best far more often than any previous season. He's quadrupled the number of games he's been comfortably named in the top half a dozen and that's been massively important in our transition from top-8 contender side to top of the ladder premiership.

7) Nothing would please me more in preseason 2019 than to see an opposition hff automatically move to guard Short's swing to his right side, then be dumbfounded by him bourking (a great word which has been lost from footy's vocabulary) left and delivering 55m long and low on his left foot.

8) Finally, a massive slap on the back to Hardwick and our coaching group. Anyone familiar with my posts from 2016 and prior to that will all too easily recall the fact that I completely disagreed with our game plan and football philosophy and was self admittedly a bit over the top and abusive in expressing that, particularly in Hardwick's direction. I'm on record ad infinitum stating my belief that the heart and core of successful football is really simple; winning the ball, forcing it forward and keeping it there. I very strongly believed our coaching focus under Hardwick was light years away from basing itself on this fundamental principle and that he should be moved on accordingly. Throughout the early-mid Hardwick period I remained steadfast in three beliefs; that Brendon Gale was an outstanding man to lead the club to success; that despite my objections to the rest, Hardwick had done a very good job from what I saw and heard of bonding the playing group; and that we did have a list that should be contending for a flag. Self evidently, our list has proved itself, we play and present like a group whose bond is unprecedented in the history of football.

In a season that maybe even a majority of Tiger supporters expected us to plateau or fall a bit after the heights of last year, we have become a better side. We've done that with only Jack of our 'star' players improving their output from 2017. Maybe Martin has been able to give 60% of last season, maybe 80% for Cotchin, Rance you could argue for parallel or a 5-10% dip. Yet we are undoubtedly a better side and the coaching group should be highly commended regardless of how the fortunes of this year turns out.

Personally I think the RFC looks a red hot chance to take flag streaks into uncharted territory and it's really difficult to poke holes in that belief or support any argument that we'll fall away - we have so much untapped improvement to come.

Heroes from the top of administration right on down to the blokes battling in the VFL for a spot in a flag side, there's so much to love about what is happening at Richmond.

So happy to be witnessing it.
All i can remember is you saying that well never win a premiership under hardwick.

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Had trouble finding the word bourking or its origins...but baulking is a great word and wonder how such an archiac word got involved with our (recently new by comparison to other codes) code of football..love to know the first time it was used in relation to our code as well!


Origin
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late Old English balc, from Old Norse bálkr ‘partition’. The original use was ‘unploughed ridge’, later ‘land left unploughed by mistake’, hence ‘blunder, omission’, giving rise to the verb use ‘miss (a chance)’. A late Middle English sense ‘obstacle’ gave rise to the verb senses ‘hesitate’ and ‘hinder’.


http://www.dictionary.com/browse/baulk
 
Apologies for being so late getting back to this, dealing with some medical issues.

Even though I haven’t always agreed with what Rayzorwire has said over the years, I always love reading his posts. There’s just something about each and everyone one of his posts

Cheers Sante, I've always really enjoyed your thoughtful contributions.

Great post Rayzorwire, we have endured some dark days let's enjoy our time in the light.

Amen brother Wang. :thumbsu:

Other than calling Shane Edwards "Titch" liked your post a lot :D

Shane has said a few times he doesnt like it.

Duly noted TM2. I'll no doubt be stuck with the habits of a decade+ when I'm barracking, but at least I can avoid doing it in print!

I was worried that 2018 would see the team track more like the Dogs of 2017. So for RFC to perform on a par with last year is the pleasing thing to watch. I was worried about a hangover but the team looks like this team is on a mission to hunt flags.
The ladder position at Round 18 is not that important. What is important is playing the tigers brand of football and let results happen. The Big 4 are not starring collectively but the 22 that run out on the field give it their all. Astbury, Grimes, Vlas, Short, Conca, have improved. Higgins has been a great find. Prestia, Rioli have come back in good touch. Lambert & Sheds have gone up a level.
Now season 2018 has been lucky for us that our list is virtually unchanged, the challenge will be to juggle ~ the gameplan; the retirement the 30 year olds; the development of the fringe players; increased salary demands of current players; bringing in of new players. Not an easy task. I hope we keep all our coaches for a while, and of course Mr.Neil Balme if we have hopes of this success continuing beyond this season. Now I'm of a vintage where I'm seen the late 60s early 70s success & am stoked that we got 1 flag in could live with that. I hope Balmey gets a GR level of success without the bloodshed.

Yeah tora, was certainly nervous preseason about how many players potentially played above themselves last year ala the Dogs, very reassuring to see the majority of the list either maintaining or improving output.

It will be a challenge staying on top for the reasons you outline, but I take comfort in the fact we have a humble group willing to sacrifice for each other, and of course, Balme overseeing things. One can only wonder what might have transpired had he found his way home earlier.

bourking (a great word which has been lost from footy's vocabulary) because the word is baulking.
BAULK Using deception as the ball carrier to beat an opponent, by sidestepping or feigning disposal. afl.com.au/glossary-every-stat-explained

LOL...how embarrassing! I remember typing it and thinking it didn't look right and figured it was just because I hadn't seen it written since I was practicing drop kick passes in the backyard.

reiwoldt won his first jack dyer medal way back in 2010, for those that didn’t notice he’s been a gun for almost a decade

I forgot that parmy, never paid a great deal of attention to the post season awards, but I do remember one of the few times I thought Weaver was way off on his player rating and vehemently disagreed was on Reiwoldt, I've been onboard since his Clarence days and rated him above Hawkins.

Had trouble finding the word bourking or its origins...but baulking is a great word and wonder how such an archiac word got involved with our (recently new by comparison to other codes) code of football..love to know the first time it was used in relation to our code as well!


Origin
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late Old English balc, from Old Norse bálkr ‘partition’. The original use was ‘unploughed ridge’, later ‘land left unploughed by mistake’, hence ‘blunder, omission’, giving rise to the verb use ‘miss (a chance)’. A late Middle English sense ‘obstacle’ gave rise to the verb senses ‘hesitate’ and ‘hinder’.


http://www.dictionary.com/browse/baulk

Nice work, JAK, yep, really fascinating how it came to be used in footy.
 
bourkeing is the act of courage in extremity, such as playing with a broken leg or blood streaming down your face. Baulking is what shorty does. ;)

Hehe, nicely done!

And bring back Ray Hall for one more game just so we can get his kids under the father-son rule :eek:

Still shattered the big fella ended up one short. On the plus side, highly likely his offspring would be underrated.
 

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