A reasonable trade-off?

[marcus]

I'm interested in opinions on this idea.

If the Port magpies were to be allowed to draft all new Power players/rookies that are not currently on SANFL lists but as a compromise were not allowed to recruit any other players from outside SA would that be a fair compromise?

As much as you hate to think about it, a successful PAFC add's $ to SANFL footy.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

I'm interested in opinions on this idea.

If the Port magpies were to be allowed to draft all new Power players/rookies that are not currently on SANFL lists but as a compromise were not allowed to recruit any other players from outside SA would that be a fair compromise?

As much as you hate to think about it, a successful PAFC add's $ to SANFL footy.

Always thinking of yourselves ain't ya?

Why should one SANFL club have different recruiting rules than the other 8?

While I agree it would probably benefit the others more, there is no possible reason to even suggest it.

 

[Crowked]

I'm interested in opinions on this idea.

If the Port magpies were to be allowed to draft all new Power players/rookies that are not currently on SANFL lists but as a compromise were not allowed to recruit any other players from outside SA would that be a fair compromise?

As much as you hate to think about it, a successful PAFC add's $ to SANFL footy.

The short answer is no. As has already been started, you cant have 1 team playing by different rules. It compromises the integrity of the competition.


IMO, the Port Magpies should have never existed to start with. Hardly anyone cares about them anyway.

When the PAFC got into AFL, the SANFL should have become an 8 team comp. Each AFL club then has their players distributed accross 4 clubs each.

Perhaps, AFC has Norwood, Sturt, Glenelg and South. While Port have Central, North, Eagles and West. or something similar.

The only problem is this actually makes sense. Its logical. So shit, we cant have that!


As for the bold stuff. Dont worry, as ussual, you havent made much of a contribution.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

The simple solution. Port Magpies to be kicked out of the SANFL, make it an 8 team competition

 

[IddyBiddy]

I'm interested in opinions on this idea.

If the Port magpies were to be allowed to draft all new Power players/rookies that are not currently on SANFL lists but as a compromise were not allowed to recruit any other players from outside SA would that be a fair compromise?

As much as you hate to think about it, a successful PAFC add's $ to SANFL footy.

You may think this on the surface this would be a good deal but long term for Power i think it would be a silly move. While holding on to the social links with Magpie supporters is important to the Power, a move such as the one suggested would further alienate you from a new potential audience. People take an interest in how players travelling from the SANFL to the AFL go, a new interstate player who fans at local level take an interest in brings with him a new audience if/when he gets his op at AFL level.

I understand you are probabley suggesting thinking about the ability to have more control over how a player is used (e.g. reserves) but PAPs need to start thinking bigger than their alberton backyard.

 

[*PAF]

... Each AFL club then has their players distributed accross 4 clubs each.

Perhaps, AFC has Norwood, Sturt, Glenelg and South. While Port have Central, North, Eagles and West. or something similar.

The only problem is this actually makes sense. Its logical. So shit, we cant have that!
...

Many people have thought that over many years because yes it does make to distribute the players along the F/S rules. Like it or not that includes the PAMFC, and there are supporters from both clubs that would have a vigorous debate on their existence.
However the problem comes when the AFL clubs recruit players from other clubs, what then?
Work out a solution for that bit and then it might just happen.

 

[dA Crow]

I'm interested in opinions on this idea.

If the Port magpies were to be allowed to draft all new Power players/rookies that are not currently on SANFL lists but as a compromise were not allowed to recruit any other players from outside SA would that be a fair compromise?

As much as you hate to think about it, a successful PAFC add's $ to SANFL footy.

Absolutely no way. If the Port Magpies are a side in the SANFL that was created when the original Port moved to the AFL, then why would they want this sort of interaction, why dont all Port Powers draftee's go to South, or Centrals or any of the other clubs?

 

[Bodecifer]

Let's be honest here!

Port Adelaide never do anything that isn't for the betterment of themselves first! History has proven it.

As much as they try to distort history, we know the truth!

 

[FlyingCrow]

Not all Magpie Supporters support the Power

The Real PAFC died in 1996.

Power = another AFL SA Composite based Franchise with Port People running it rather than SANFL based people.
PAMFC = Comprimise to Keep SANFL happy.

To answer the post. No.

 

[Macca19]

IMO, the Port Magpies should have never existed to start with. Hardly anyone cares about them anyway.

Though the first part of that sentence has plenty of merit, you do realise that the Port Magpies are still in the top couple in memberships and average attendance?

Perhaps, AFC has Norwood, Sturt, Glenelg and South. While Port have Central, North, Eagles and West. or something similar.

What would make sense is that the SANFL mini draft players get split between the AFL teams father/son clubs.

 

[IddyBiddy]

Though the first part of that sentence has plenty of merit, you do realise that the Port Magpies are still in the top couple in memberships and average attendance?



What would make sense is that the SANFL mini draft players get split between the AFL teams father/son clubs.

Can you explain how this would be of greater benefit that what is currently in place?

 

[Macca19]

Instead of having all new players split over 9 clubs, they are split over only 4-5. Means a bit more control over players, players get to train/play with other guys from their AFL team...eradicates a fair part of the problem of a situation where Massie & Thomas play at Norwood one week only to face off against each other in a Showdown the week after. New guys go to a team where there might already be 3-4-5 AFL teammates to help them with the tricky SANFL learning etc.

 

[Crow Chick]

If Port Magpies only got interstate draftees they could scrap their interstate recruiting team and just sit back taking it easy and wait for draft day to get their new recruits.

It takes a fair bit of time, personnel and $$ to recruit mature players from interstate.

 

[Alberton]

Not all Magpie Supporters support the Power

The Real PAFC died in 1996.

Power = another AFL SA Composite based Franchise with Port People running it rather than SANFL based people.
PAMFC = Comprimise to Keep SANFL happy.

To answer the post. No.

You will find that the majority of Port supporters disagree with this.
As the supporters effectively are the club, our say on this determines the reality.

Play semantic games all you like, we know the truth.

Now, in addition to to original post add the following:

* No player drafted by the crows would go to the magpies, i.e. port magpies are removed from the mini-draft

* Any Port magpie player drafted by the crows must reloacte to another SANFL club.

Reasonable now?

I had to chuckle at this:

Let's be honest here!

Port Adelaide never do anything that isn't for the betterment of themselves first! History has proven it.

As much as they try to distort history, we know the truth!

This would be closer to reality:

Noone ever does anything that isn't for the betterment of themselves first! History has proven it.

You might live in a world of lollipops and candi-canes but I'm sure most of us dont.

 

[NikkiNoo]

The same issues would arise in respect to what we have discussed here before about a port or crows 'reserve' team in the SANFL. You have more than one player for certain positions in respect to depth, some would be playing reserves at SANFL level when they might be getting a league game instead.

For example - If you have 5 ruckmen on your list (none are injured for this scenario). 2 play in the AFL, 2 in the SANFL league team and 1 misses out when they might actually be playing at league level under the current system. Then you have the issue of injuries - are you able to co-opt other players during a season so you could field a team?

There are also not enough players on an AFL list to field a reserve team so where do the other players come from? Would you actually attract players to this 'reserve' team when they know that regardless of their performance they will be pushed aside for an AFL listed player.

On the first post - not a chance of it happening, the SANFL would never agree to it and neither would the other clubs.

Macca19's point does have some merit but as *PAF pointed out if you split along the lines of F/S what happens when a club drafts a player from one of the F/S SANFL clubs that is aligned to the other AFL team?
Is that player forced to move to another SANFL club?
What will be the compensation towards their SANFL team?
They will be leaving teammates and coaches behind and it could actually make their development be hindered.

 

[NikkiNoo]

You will find that the majority of Port supporters disagree with this.
As the supporters effectively are the club, our say on this determines the reality.

Pity my dad is a died in the wool Maggies man and believes that the Power are NOT the real Port Adelaide and in fact thinks that the Power has destroyed what once used to be great about the Maggies. I also know a few other supporters that think along the same lines.

Play semantic games all you like, we know the truth.

Now, in addition to to original post add the following:

* No player drafted by the crows would go to the magpies, i.e. port magpies are removed from the mini-draft

* Any Port magpie player drafted by the crows must reloacte to another SANFL club.

Reasonable now?

Why should 1 SANFL club have more AFL listed players than any others? I object to moving players that are already settled in an environment and playing well. To move them could drop their development.

I would think that Andrew McLeod, Graham Johncock and Scott Thompson are proud Port Adelaide Magpies players and to ask them to move to another SANFL club is just wrong. Check out the training photos from the Crows during Heritage week, they wear their SANFL colours and it is great seeing the prison bars run around footy park again.

 

[PrideOf]

Y
This would be closer to reality:

Noone ever does anything that isn't for the betterment of themselves first! History has proven it.

You might live in a world of lollipops and candi-canes but I'm sure most of us dont.

Apart from those Port people trying to get Port Power AFL players at the Magpies to help the SANFL perhaps?

 

[FlyingCrow]

Pity my dad is a died in the wool Maggies man and believes that the Power are NOT the real Port Adelaide and in fact thinks that the Power has destroyed what once used to be great about the Maggies. I also know a few other supporters that think along the same lines.



Why should 1 SANFL club have more AFL listed players than any others? I object to moving players that are already settled in an environment and playing well. To move them could drop their development.

I would think that Andrew McLeod, Graham Johncock and Scott Thompson are proud Port Adelaide Magpies players and to ask them to move to another SANFL club is just wrong. Check out the training photos from the Crows during Heritage week, they wear their SANFL colours and it is great seeing the prison bars run around footy park again.

Talk to some of the guys that represented the Magpies in the 1996 SANFL GF and you will get some idea that the real PAFC died after that GF. Not going to name names but most of them have strong feelings on the matter. They are the reason the Power got the licence and a lot of them got shafted. There are plenty of supporters that go to Magpie games that feel the same, and wearing teal (Power gear) to PAMFC games is a bit of an insult.

 

[Alberton]

My original suggestion (yes Alberton = Marcus) is to help achieve two goals:

1. Bring the Power more success by having our "reserves" players all playing in one side ala Geelong etc.

2. Provide a stronger connection between the power and the maggies, which you have rightly said needs strengthening.

Tim Ginever wants the maggies to focus more on local content in the side, this also links in with that philosophy as we would not be recruiting non south australians except for those the power pick up.

The aim of this thread was to determine whether the conditions suggested would be a reasonable compromise. Whether you think it will happen in the current climate or not doesnt really matter, it is whether you think that trade-off is fair.

As expected I've obviously got a lot of knee-jerk negative responses, but theres been some decent ones in between. Thanks for those.

 

[macca23]

You might live in a world of lollipops and candi-canes but I'm sure most of us dont.

Certainly not.

But there is one on this board that lives in the world of ^5's and strawberry milkshakes.

 

[FlyingCrow]

To suggest Port Magpies as a seconds team for Port Power would further denigrate the Magpies. Even though it is a different club to the old PAFC there are a lot of people who are proud of "their" club.

The WAFL tried this idea, aligning the two clubs with two WAFL teams and it failed. Coincedently it was during the WCE leanest years.

 

[tribey]

Talk to some of the guys that represented the Magpies in the 1996 SANFL GF and you will get some idea that the real PAFC died after that GF. Not going to name names but most of them have strong feelings on the matter. They are the reason the Power got the licence and a lot of them got shafted.

Not really a solid argument as to the longstanding identity debate though. Of course some, if not many, would think that.

One minute they're the sole and primary playing representatives of the Port Adelaide Football Club, the next minute - if they weren't good enough or too old for the 1997 inaugural AFL list - they're second-class citizens and exiled to Ethelton.

Hardly a surprise under the circumstances.

But whenever a professional sporting club evolves and steps up a level - a rarity in Australian sport, far more prominent and accepted in European football - you are bound to have a large overhaul of personnel, especially playing wise, as the organisation gears itself in order to actually compete, let alone be successful.

But let's say these disgruntled players were picked for the initial Power squad to a man - and the existing Magpies reserves and junior grades stepped into the breach for the 1997 PAMFC - the 1997 Power would almost certainly finish wooden spooners with a 0-22 record, but at least the 1996 SANFL Premiership players wouldn't feel shafted, hey?

There's sentiment and reality.

 

[jo172]

Am I the only one who thinks its unfair in this scenario that the Power get what in reality is a SANFL reserves side while the Crows would have its players spread throughought 8 sides.

Two scenarios in my opinion work, create a Crows reserves side and let the Magpies have the Power players thus creating a 10 team local competition eradicating the bye and probably creating alot more interest in the competition. However the traditionalist/SANFL fan in me baulks at this idea, it is still fairer than giving Port a defacto reserves side.

or

What Macca19 suggested in SANFL recruits being spread across the aligned F/S clubs.

 

[FlyingCrow]

Not really a solid argument as to the longstanding identity debate though. Of course some, if not many, would think that.

One minute they're the sole and primary playing representatives of the Port Adelaide Football Club, the next minute - if they weren't good enough or too old for the 1997 inaugural AFL list - they're second-class citizens and exiled to Ethelton.

Hardly a surprise under the circumstances.

But whenever a professional sporting club evolves and steps up a level - a rarity in Australian sport, far more prominent and accepted in European football - you are bound to have a large overhaul of personnel, especially playing wise, as the organisation gears itself in order to actually compete, let alone be successful.

But let's say these disgruntled players were picked for the initial Power squad to a man - and the existing Magpies reserves and junior grades stepped into the breach for the 1997 PAMFC - the 1997 Power would almost certainly finish wooden spooners with a 0-22 record, but at least the 1996 SANFL Premiership players wouldn't feel shafted, hey?

There's sentiment and reality.

Your right....

The reality is that Power are a composite SA based side. Crows in Teal.

 

[Dogga79]

The reality is that Power are a composite SA based side. Crows in Teal.

Good analogy and I agree with you. When I peel away all the layers that is the conclusion I am left with as well.

What is wrong with the current system we have re. AFL listed player being spread across the SANFL. It give a chance for all local teams supporters to follow various AFL players. It isn't exclusionary or doesn't isolate any supporter demographic. Port supporters suggesting likewise, to me re-instills the crows motto "The team for all South Australians".