Opinion AA overhaul

[TedDougChris]

I don’t know why they aren’t actually honest about the selection criteria - this is our favourite 22 midfielders from this year, regardless of form and performance.

At least we could all accept it if they were honest about it up front...

 

[Teen Wolf]

Make it a fan vote imo. Club members only, and you can't pick anybody from your own team.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If they don’t want to make the team properly why don’t they just change the format.. no actual team, but just AA’s Based on position.

Example:
8 mids (including wings)
8 Defenders
6 forwards
2 Rucks
1 Ruck/FWD

7 defenders, 7 forwards, 8 mids.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Make it a fan vote imo. Club members only, and you can't pick anybody from your own team.

Would be a bigger farce.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Should be pretty simple.

An AA squad of 44 is selected comprising of

14 Defenders
14 forwards
14 midfielders
2 ruckman

A player is categorised by where they played the majority of their season according to Champion Data.

From that, you announce an All Australian First Team and an All Australian Second Team, each comprising of

7 Defenders
7 Forwards
7 Midfielders
1 Ruckman

Why do we need a second team? We don't even need a first team.

This is purely a content creation exercise. And it's like a consolation prize for fans of teams that won't win the flag i.e. at least we have a couple of good players.

The whole thing is a nonsense. You don't need to add a second team. You need to establish real criteria that everyone knows or abandon the concept of a team format.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Make it a fan vote imo. Club members only, and you can't pick anybody from your own team.

Unfortunately I think we would get far too many people who simply would just take the piss out of it if that was the case. Everyone has someone in mind that they don’t think should be on an AFL list and next thing we know they could become a 10XAA just for Fun if voted by the fans

 

[Teen Wolf]

Unfortunately I think we would get far too many people who simply would just take the piss out of it if that was the case. Everyone has someone in mind that they don’t think should be on an AFL list and next thing we know they could become a 10XAA just for Fun if voted by the fans

And in doing so, potentially screwing over a player from their own club. If that's what the supporters want, fine by me.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

And in doing so, potentially screwing over a player from their own club. If that's what the supporters want, fine by me.

Is this your first time online?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Traditional positions are almost redundant in modern football.

If that's true, we should scrap the concept of a team format.

In reality, we do still have defenders, midfielders and forwards. Every match committee meeting would reflect that.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Or perhaps, to make it even more simple we actually just use the data produced by Champion Data seeing as they are the official stats collectors of the AFL. If they aren’t producing meaningful data and analysis, why have them?

Picking the team could be made real simple.

In a 22 game season, all players must play Atleast 18 games and using the ranking system created by champion data we select the following from the highest ranked and downwards based on their position and player type;

2 Key Defenders
1 Intercept Defender
3 General defenders

2 Wings
3 Starting Mids
1 Ruck

2 Key forwards
2 Small forwards
2 General forwards

and then select the bench based on a ruck, fwd, mid and defender as extra

If the AFL do not agree with the ranking system produced by Champion data they can always influence the parameters which are set for each position but Atleast the final decisions are determined by clear stats and a more “regular” team line up with players judged based on their position against others only in their position.

Rankings are based on a whole range of stats and data but the key element is their TOG percentage, field area and type of player which determines which group they align too.

 

[revo333]

If you had a team stacked with midfielders then you would select a midfielder on the flank as well.

If you had Ablett snr and Dunstall in your team you would play both of them and have one starting in the forward pocket, you wouldn't play the best small forward over Ablett snr.

 

[revo333]

Or perhaps, to make it even more simple we actually just use the data produced by Champion Data seeing as they are the official stats collectors of the AFL. If they aren’t producing meaningful data and analysis, why have them?

Picking the team could be made real simple.

In a 22 game season, all players must play Atleast 18 games and using the ranking system created by champion data we select the following from the highest ranked and downwards based on their position and player type;

2 Key Defenders
1 Intercept Defender
3 General defenders

2 Wings
3 Starting Mids
1 Ruck

2 Key forwards
2 Small forwards
2 General forwards

and then select the bench based on a ruck, fwd, mid and defender as extra

If the AFL do not agree with the ranking system produced by Champion data they can always influence the parameters which are set for each position but Atleast the final decisions are determined by clear stats and a more “regular” team line up with players judged based on their position against others only in their position.

Rankings are based on a whole range of stats and data but the key element is their TOG percentage, field area and type of player which determines which group they align too.

If the 3 best small forward miss a season and theres no other decent small forwards for the season you then have to pick 2 players who don't deserve it.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Is this your first time online?

I included two parameters in my suggestion that would help differentiate it from a typically farcical online poll.

Doesn't bother me that you don't like it, no need to tell me again though.

 

[citizen-erased]

or do away with the idea you pick this as a team that would be fielded...unless you actually field it against some opponent.

Just do a list. Top 20 footballers in the country for year X or something like that.
What happens in a year when all the rucks are garbage comparatively. or you have 10 forwards kicking 60+ goals a year.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I included two parameters in my suggestion that would help differentiate it from a typically farcical online poll.

Doesn't bother me that you don't like it, no need to tell me again though.

We should do a vote for the Brownlow as well?

 

[Teen Wolf]

We should do a vote for the Brownlow as well?

Yes.

 

[The Passenger]

Should be based on the idea that we are going to be playing another country next week, and the AFL is selecting the team to play against that other country.

There's a fair argument that taking this route, the second tier midfielders are going to cause more damage as small forwards than almost all specialist small forwards.

 

[Incarnate]

Should be based on the idea that we are going to be playing another country next week, and the AFL is selecting the team to play against that other country.

I Like the sentiment but I think it’s an absolute farcical concept in reality. We never ever want to be the English World Cup team.

 

[Shane Heard]

Of course it's subjective and of course it means SFA.

But if the AFL is going to promote it as a big deal and the criteria derives from the concept of picking a "team", with players picked in positions, they should abide by the criteria implied by that concept.

This year, the team doesn't do what it says on the tin.

You can argue about one defender over another or one ruckman over another but picking 3 mids in the forwardline is farcical. They also picked 10 mids but no wingmen. The concept should be scrapped if this is the outcome, if they ignore their own criteria.

yes i agreed ..the AFL has created a number of ceremonies and awards though out the history of the game and promotes them as auspicious moments in any given season.

And that’s fine.

We’re no different from all the other sports of the world.

I personally just don’t get caught up in the romanticism of any of it.

The only things worth valuing in my mind are bnf club awards and premiership medals.

The Norm Smith medal is sometimes out of whack but they get it right about 70% of the time since it’s inception...but even then it’s an award that’s subjective to a degree.

there’s no greater accomplishment in my mind when someone stars in a GF.

The biggest game of the year where every moment counts.

The brownlow is a joke in recent times and we all know it.

But it’s a great night of celebration of our glorious game and that’s a good thing.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

yes i agreed ..the AFL has created a number of ceremonies and awards though out the history of the game and promotes them as auspicious moments in any given season.

And that’s fine.

We’re no different from all the other sports of the world.

I personally just don’t get caught up in the romanticism of any of it.

The only things worth valuing in my mind are bnf club awards and premiership medals.

The Norm Smith medal is sometimes out of whack but they get it right about 70% of the time since it’s inception...but even then it’s an award that’s subjective to a degree.

there’s no greater accomplishment in my mind when someone stars in a GF.

The biggest game of the year where every moment counts.

The brownlow is a joke in recent times and we all know it.

But it’s a great night of celebration of our glorious game and that’s a good thing.

AFLPA MVP is the top individual award.

 

[melbournemartin]

Actually think that’s a great idea. Or perhaps the coaches from the top 4 teams can decide the team at the end of the season based on actual data

I believe they had this for a short period, or something similar. They had the coach's try to pick a team based on how you'd actually pick a team for the weekend. Picking "tall mid", "outside mid", "forward-mid" for example. Trying to fill modern roles.

 

[Shane Heard]

Yeah that's such a pressing concern for a side that will never play a game.AFLPA MVP is the top individual award.

yes..the MVP is a good representation of a players status in the minds of his peers and is worth more than a brownlow. But even so, it’s still leaves out some very worthy contenders every year who could easily be considered.


It’s tough thing awarding things in sport.

I found this out in my 10 years of coaching my son’s junior teams.

It was very difficult some years to decide awards other than the bnf.

I’ll never forget the anxiety of awarding my own son in U14s the most improved award. He was a good player. A gun forward.

But i felt compelled to ask about a dozen parents in my team if they thought he deserved it.

Lucky they all honestly agreed that he had a fantastic season and indeed improved dramatically as the season went on.

But all awards are subjective.

Unless you’re an absolute standout superstar of your team and there’s no argument.


Which rarely happens.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

yes..the MVP is a good representation of a players status in the minds of his peers and is worth more than a brownlow. But even so, it’s still leaves out some very worthy contenders every year who could easily be considered.

There is one winner.

 

[coldlunch]

Should be based on the idea that we are going to be playing another country next week, and the AFL is selecting the team to play against that other country.

the problem with that is you're still trusting the same panel to pick the best possible team, which is equally unlikely

 

[Shane Heard]

There is one winner.

Yes indeed there always is. Thank you Jesus.