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[exe ex machina]

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[Cruyff14]

tl;dr .

 

[CAS79]

Remember for every part GG has written there is a exception to every rule. The exception just happens to be the same in every case.

Clive Palmer.

 

[Prem87]

Good stuff.

 

[sabre_ac]

In the course of my career (Early days admittedly), I have noticed the following amongst the most successful people:

1. The smartest/most educated is rarely the the top dog.

2. The leaders/top of the pack have have very good emotional control, can turn on anger and then turn it off again like a light switch.

3. Have no problems showing SOME vunerability, none appear to be completely bullet proof.

4. While having good morals they can make an immoral decision if its best for the company.

5. Have an ability to relate to eveyone (that they intereact with regularly) in a personal way. Prime example was a 60 yo straight laced boss who could talk tatoos with his assistant and then turn around and talk child rearing with the expectant mother.

6. Not always the case, but most looked good for their age.

 

[Caesar]

Work ethic is more important than any of those things.

 

[sabre_ac]

Work ethic is more important than any of those things.

Not sure I agree with you on that one, more often than not the hardest workers are the guys on the second or third level.

That's not to say you don't have to be a hard worker to get to the top, I'd just argue that being able to create lasting personal relationships in short spaces of time is a better trait.

 

[Wallaby]

IQ tests mainly measure how good you are at IQ tests.

 

[Messenger]

In the course of my career (Early days admittedly), I have noticed the following amongst the most successful people:

1. The smartest/most educated is rarely the the top dog.

2. The leaders/top of the pack have have very good emotional control, can turn on anger and then turn it off again like a light switch.

3. Have no problems showing SOME vunerability, none appear to be completely bullet proof.

4. While having good morals they can make an immoral decision if its best for the company.

5. Have an ability to relate to eveyone (that they intereact with regularly) in a personal way. Prime example was a 60 yo straight laced boss who could talk tatoos with his assistant and then turn around and talk child rearing with the expectant mother.

6. Not always the case, but most looked good for their age.

A point very well made, sabre, especially point (2). I'd say with point (3), they are very selective about the people they demonstrate vulnerability too.

 

[vast]

This is a very simplistic view, but most of the wealthiest people I know arent very smart or educated, in fact some of them I consider to be quite dumb, my theory on this is that they are more willing to take a risk or are unaware of them. The more intelligent and educated people I know tend to take the safer option.

And that is excluding other factors such as ambition etc.

 

[Brad Goodman]

This is a very simplistic view, but most of the wealthiest people I know arent very smart or educated, in fact some of them I consider to be quite dumb, my theory on this is that they are more willing to take a risk or are unaware of them. The more intelligent and educated people I know tend to take the safer option.

And that is excluding other factors such as ambition etc.

Case in point Ben Polis - could be the dumbest person in Australia, but was doing very well for himself there for a while.

 

[The_Reaper]

This is a very simplistic view, but most of the wealthiest people I know arent very smart or educated, in fact some of them I consider to be quite dumb, my theory on this is that they are more willing to take a risk or are unaware of them. The more intelligent and educated people I know tend to take the safer option.

And that is excluding other factors such as ambition etc.

My view is that a lot of the highly intelligent people end up working for someone else.

 

[Prem87]

Highly intelligent people are very risk averse and looks for a stable job/profession.

To those who haven't read the book, read Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

IQ in the mid 130's. Looks like I'm shit kicking for the rest of my life.....

 

[Old Skool]

Moral Intelligence

MQ directly follows EQ as it deals with your integrity, responsibility, sympathy, and forgiveness. The way you treat yourself is the way other people will treat you. Keeping commitments, maintaining your integrity, and being honest are crucial to moral intelligence.

Top Tip for Improvement: Make fewer excuses and take responsibility for your actions. Avoid little white lies. Show sympathy and communicate respect to others. Practice acceptance and show tolerance of other people’s shortcomings. Forgiveness is not just about how we relate to others; it’s also how you relate to and feel about yourself.

This is rubbish.

Work ethic is more important than any of those things.

Psycopathic tendencies are even more important that work ethic.

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[WeetBixKid]

I'd probably agree, but is this supposed to be a feel good article? I'd say intelligence is a lot easier to improve/change than personality traits are.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Hey???

 

[lewigie]

Highly intelligent people are very risk averse and looks for a stable job/profession.

To those who haven't read the book, read Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki.

Good call. That's a very good book and does talk a bit about "Emotional Intelligence".

 

[nicky]

I don't really believe that dumber people are more successful In previous roles in corporate companies the people with a higher grading were most definitely more intelligent. I'm not sure that is the same in government and higher education.


I would say emotional intelligence is the most important thing to make you successful but I'm not necessarily equating success with money.

 

[aussierulesrules]

IQ in the mid 130's. Looks like I'm shit kicking for the rest of my life.....

If that is true (and that's about where mine apparently is) I'd be surprised if you think this is what they're suggesting.

They're not saying that at all, just that it doesn't guarantee you anything. It's a good start, but that's all.

Like someone coming to a footy club with a bucketfull of natural footy talent. That doesn't guarantee that they'll succeed, because it is only part of the "success equation", along with things like how well they fit into a team, work ethic, courage, etc, etc.

If they have the other things (that are mentioned in the OP) there is every chance they'll reach the very top of the tree (like a James Hird), but if they only have the talent, they probably aren't going to make it, at the top level, at least, as it is only a part of the necessary attributes to get to the very top. We can probably all think of one, or many, who have come to our footy club (cricket club, etc) with all the ability in the world, but disappeared without a trace, because they were sadly lacking in the other necessary areas.

This would probably be why those who have the high intelligence, or (in a sporting sense) high natural talent, often don't make all that much of themselves, as they just assume that those things are going to be enough and get the job done for them, when in all likelihood they are not.

This is a very simplistic view, but most of the wealthiest people I know arent very smart or educated, in fact some of them I consider to be quite dumb, my theory on this is that they are more willing to take a risk or are unaware of them. The more intelligent and educated people I know tend to take the safer option.

And that is excluding other factors such as ambition etc.

Interesting observation. I agree that that would be likely to be the case. The saying "fortune favours the brave" isn't commonly said for no reason.

In fact someone that I was rooming with a few years ago said that he had previously worked with Sony, in Asia and had met a lot of their top, most successful talent/"stars" in his role there and he said that the single common trait they ALL had was guts/courage, in his observations.

And when you think about some of the most successful in the music industry over the years, for instance, like Madonna, now Lady Gaga, Gwen Stefani, Britney Spears and so on, they don't necessarily come across as having the most "natural talent"/best voices, but one thing they do have in common (especially the first 3) is incredible courage. They have shown an ability to take huge risks and really put themselves out there and are not afraid to be themselves. Many are very envious of their success (especially those that think they have more talent than them, but have about 1/millionth of the success) and they're jealous of them because they just think they're "lucky", but they just don't realise that talent/intelligence is only a part of the equation.

 

[exe ex machina]

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[Full Wingspan]

Work ethic is more important than any of those things.

Strongly disagree with that. Through my personal experiences, the one's who are most successful appear to be excellent communicators, have a passion for their chosen industry/profession and have a desire to go above their expectations, and the expectations of those around them.

EQ would definitely be one of the most important keys to success, as our everyday encounters with people usually control the most influential factors within our lives. In short, it's essentially becoming a "people-person", someone who is generally well liked and/or respected by their workmates and is able to reach them on an emotional level, as well as being able to lead them "on the field." (Their work).

Of course work ethic is significant, but not necessarily the most important aspect to success. As mentioned by sabre_ac, you'll often find those who work the hardest on the second or third levels.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Of course work ethic is significant, but not necessarily the most important aspect to success. As mentioned by sabre_ac, you'll often find those who work the hardest on the second or third levels.

Not unlike these guys?

Something else that I'm not sure has been mentioned at all is instinct/intuition, which I also believe is vitally important to success. Knowing which reign to pull, or which direction to go, when you can come up with good reasons to go either, can make the difference between success or failure.

 

[Caesar]

I just think work ethic is the dealbreaker. I know highly successful people who are poor communicators, or lacking intelligence, or people skills, or education, because they have abilities in other areas that make up for it.

I've never seen someone succeed without a good work ethic, regardless of any other advantages they might have.

 

[Full Wingspan]

I just think work ethic is the dealbreaker. I know highly successful people who are poor communicators, or lacking intelligence, or people skills, or education, because they have abilities in other areas that make up for it.

I've never seen someone succeed without a good work ethic, regardless of any other advantages they might have.

I don't think people become successful for having an extraordinary work ethic. No doubt is it needed, but it's something that doesn't need to be exceptional. It's the EQ, passion and business know-how which needs to be above average.