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I am actually my own person anyway so i just decide what is right for my self. It's a good way to be really.
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I am actually my own person anyway so i just decide what is right for my self. It's a good way to be really.
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By the way BeCcA i would actually disown my parents if they even said that to me regardless of whether i ended up having the baby or not. Just to say that would end the way i felt about them.
No, I haven't. Because from the time I knew I was ready to enter into a sexual relationship I also knew I was mature enough to take the responsibility of making sure I didn't end up with an unwanted pregnancy.
You know what makes me really mad, and this is not directed at you personally Becca. Young naive girls who think they are so mature and cool because they are having sex, and think having a little baby would be so cool too. News flash! Little babies are not cool, they are not fashion accessories, they are a lifetime commitment! If you don't want that responsibilty and commitment then do something about it before it happens!
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I didnt get into that situation on purpose. I was on the pill....
but anyway she probably did influence me to do the right thing.... but she wasnt the one who had to go through waht I did. It was horrible and something i wish I had never experienced. I feel so guilty about what I did! and as for telling the whole world about it I dont..... I only brought it up here because people dont know me... Half the people i know in person i never told. I dont want them to judge me by what I did.
Only about 3 people know what happened that is my mum my bf and my best friend.. my dad doesnt even know...
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Perhaps this was a little harsh so let me rephrase that, from the sounds of things, at THIS point in time, I doubt any of you would make good parents, your parents can obviously see this as well.
I don't see why you would be offended from what I've said though, afterall, this is a forum on the internet, I don't know either of you, and obviously how you appear to be online is probably nothing like what you are in real life, right Becca?
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Glad to hear that.
contradictions:
1) Hey it could be a viable solution to the spiralling cost
2) It may not (and is not) a realistic viable solution
so, now we are saying the limitations of someones rights are worth it if it keeps welfare down?
i agree each situation is different, but, looking at this from a practical viewpoint - Where would you draw the line, especially when it comes to legislation?
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Must be pretty much up there with plenty of your musings then.
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and this isnt a cheap shot?
I said you were stupid for one of your comments. You then got huffy, and tried a comeback that failed miserably. Dont go getting all upset when your stupidity is proven.
And otaku, don't go making assumptions on my intelligence. You dont' know me, and I am quite thankful based on your intenet persona that I do not know you.
I'm sure you have better things to do than try and find perceived inequities in my posts on an emotional and highly volatile subject. If you choose to make them such a priority that you do not respond in general to the topic more than you already have, but instead decide to only address my comments, then I am flattered that I can hold your attention so well without even trying.
I'm sure you have better things to do than try and find perceived inequities in my posts on an emotional and highly volatile subject. If you choose to make them such a priority that you do not respond in general to the topic more than you already have, but instead decide to only address my comments, then I am flattered that I can hold your attention so well without even trying.
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Pfftt i looked after tonnes of babies and children at a time when i worked in childcare. May not be the same as your own but gawd handling a whole roomful on my own AND unqualified i think is actually worse!
And no i wouldn't scab off the gov for benefits either!
I dont need to make assumptions. You show your intelligence levels to everyone one on here, every time you post.
Just because it is a highly emotive subject doesnt mean you should start flinging stupid remarks around.
I made your comments a priority because
a) they were stupid comments
b) you tried to defend them with even more stupid comments and contradictions and
c) you used your replies to me to try and attack me.
In all of these, i have only ever responded to your inital comments (damn, i have used commetns a lot of times in this post).
So instead of being flattered, maybe you should look at the reason i am calling you stupid.
Very quickly i've skimmed over this thread. I however read "2nd abortion"
Wouldn't you learn after the first attempt? It surely is not good for your health especially if you leave it too long you risk dying. I think the barrier is 3 months or so. (It seems highly out of proportion but I did read the possibility of death to the woman which is very scary)
But please, do tell your friend if she must be involved in sexual activity, condoms, pills and the RIGHT time is a necessity, as you can see how much stress it's caused her.
Wouldn't you learn after the first attempt? It surely is not good for your health especially if you leave it too long you risk dying. I think the barrier is 3 months or so. (It seems highly out of proportion but I did read the possibility of death to the woman which is very scary)
But please, do tell your friend if she must be involved in sexual activity, condoms, pills and the RIGHT time is a necessity, as you can see how much stress it's caused her.
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I would be shyte frightened if i even had one abortion that i would never be able to conceive again let alone do it over and over. She just laughs coz shes on a health care card so she got it for like 100 bucks gawd my last dental bill was 4 times that amount
makes me wild!she got that silly three year thing in her arm anyway so i guess shes obviously got the next abortion date planned then if shes relying on this foolish method!
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the pill is not 100% effective, I've learnt that.
The only thing that is, is abstenance and I don't recommend it.
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Look I can understand now, in a way. I mean I know when I first found out I was pregnant, I KNEW that no one would approve and I knew it wasn't what either myself or the father wanted. But all I could think of was this life we'd created that didn't really ask to be, and realised I couldn't play god just because it was the wrong time. The only person who I let have a say was the father, because it was his child too and basically he was told he could either be in her life or not at all.
In the end the only thing that forced my hand was the fact that my baby was going to die anyways. And when you want to keep your baby, but can't, it's even MORE cruel.
Becca the ONLY person who has a right to decide is YOU. I don't think you should beat yourself up over it too much now anyways, there isn't a lot you can do about it now. Maybe talking to a counsellor isn't what you need, maybe you need to discuss things with your mother?
yer exactly. it wouldnt be the same as your own. you cant just leave your own at 5 o clock, or go on a lunch break. its a 24hr 7 day a week commitment. all the time, all hours of the night, you cant just leave it.
i dont recommend it either!
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My personal belief is this:
No one human life has the right to terminate another human life.
It's a pretty simple philosophy, and I know that I am a bloke, and obviously would not understand the personal implications of pregnancy etc. I do however know that regardless of the personal ramifications of a pregnancy, the innocent life should be allowed it's chance to survive.
I honestly don't think it's a gender issue, and I don't think it's a contraception issue. It is life and death.
Why kill when you can offer a child for adoption?
No one human life has the right to terminate another human life.
It's a pretty simple philosophy, and I know that I am a bloke, and obviously would not understand the personal implications of pregnancy etc. I do however know that regardless of the personal ramifications of a pregnancy, the innocent life should be allowed it's chance to survive.
I honestly don't think it's a gender issue, and I don't think it's a contraception issue. It is life and death.
Why kill when you can offer a child for adoption?
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I can respect your views on it, it's quite refreshing actually to see a guy who's put so much thought into it!!!! I just wanted to ask, what about in a situation where your baby is going to die anyways? If you KNOW that it's probably kinder to just get it done, would you still feel the same?
I'm not trying to cause an argument I'm just curious is all.
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Originally posted by lioness22
I can respect your views on it, it's quite refreshing actually to see a guy who's put so much thought into it!!!! I just wanted to ask, what about in a situation where your baby is going to die anyways? If you KNOW that it's probably kinder to just get it done, would you still feel the same?
I'm not trying to cause an argument I'm just curious is all.
Yeah - it's tough to put yourself into a hypothetical situation... I think that whilst there is the smallest chance of survival, you owe it to the child to give it a chance - just like you would any other person.
Hypothetically: If I was hit by a car and wound up in a coma, and was given only a small chance of survival... I certainly hope my loved ones gave me a chance to survive and didn't pull the plug.
It really is a tough topic - very emotive and controversial. I think my stance is and always will be that I would do whatever I could possibly do to find a solution other than terminating an innocent life - and if that meant risking a full term pregnancy, then so be it.
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Actually that hypothetical adds a whole new train of thought for me, and it's actually an angle I hadn't really thought about before, to be honest. And it's an interesting scenario because I feel exactly the same, I wouldn't want anyone cutting off even a very small chance of survival if it was me.......but then again I'm not even sure there, because if the odds were stacked up so far against me living, I'm not sure I would want my family to have to go through the hell of waiting and seeing.......and possibly having more heartache in the end.
I often sit down and think, especially if I am around people with children, and wonder if I actually did the right thing. I guess I'll never really know.
I do feel good that the decision was completely mine, and at the time I believed it was the right thing to do. Thank you though for your response, it's certainly given me something else to think about.
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Originally posted by lioness22
Actually that hypothetical adds a whole new train of thought for me, and it's actually an angle I hadn't really thought about before, to be honest. And it's an interesting scenario because I feel exactly the same, I wouldn't want anyone cutting off even a very small chance of survival if it was me.......but then again I'm not even sure there, because if the odds were stacked up so far against me living, I'm not sure I would want my family to have to go through the hell of waiting and seeing.......and possibly having more heartache in the end.
I often sit down and think, especially if I am around people with children, and wonder if I actually did the right thing. I guess I'll never really know.
Thank you though for your response, it's certainly given me something else to think about.
No worries!
It is certainly a hard issue. My only wish is that people were better educated on the abortion issue. There needs to be a wholly objective medium which provides people with the facts - minus the emotional bias.
Hopefully, with time this will become a reality.
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Originally posted by lioness22
I can respect your views on it, it's quite refreshing actually to see a guy who's put so much thought into it!!!! I just wanted to ask, what about in a situation where your baby is going to die anyways? If you KNOW that it's probably kinder to just get it done, would you still feel the same?
I'm not trying to cause an argument I'm just curious is all.
Sorry to jump in here, but is that not an advocation of euthanasia. I'm not judging as I haven't the fainest idea of your circumstances, in regards to, your baby WAS going to die or if there was a CHANCE your baby was going to die, the physical effects on yourself, or your views on euthanasia itself. Basically is an ill fetus regarded the same way as a terminally ill human.
On the abortion debate I am somewhat divided, hopefully if ever a partner of mine was pregnant, we would be in the position to be able to go ahead with the birth and raising of the child, however it would be a unenviable position if there was something wrong with the baby that would jeopardise a succesfull birth, however I agree with Zeke in that I would like to give the baby every possible chance.
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Originally posted by Zeke
No worries!
It is certainly a hard issue. My only wish is that people were better educated on the abortion issue. There needs to be a wholly objective medium which provides people with the facts - minus the emotional bias.
Hopefully, with time this will become a reality.
I'm interested to hear your 'facts'.
Sop you're saying that in cases of rape and other abhorrent acts (incest rape) that the poor female should be forced to go full term with the pregnancy because you feel it should be given every chance and that you would hate to have the 'plug pulled' if you were in a coma?
How do you want people to be better educated on the abortion issue? To be educated to your line of thinking...or to the perspective of any unfortunate female who has to make the difficult choice?
Your whole argument is based on your personal opinion and little in the way of experience or facts.
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I think that rather than being informed on the 'facts' of abortion, people need to be better informed on CONTRACEPTION. Make sure that people understand that the pill can fail, condoms can break, etc. It's all very well to say 'oh well I was on the pill and still got pregnant', I mean it's said when you get the prescription that it's not 100% reliable, so why not use another method as well if you really aren't ready to fall pregnant, even by accident.
I just think that informing people on prevention is more helpful than waiting till it's already too late to teach them. Because I think most people wouldn't bother REALLY finding out about abortion till they're pregnant and how easy is it to make a rational, non-emotive decision when you already have a child growing inside you. It's not just hard, it's IMPOSSIBLE.
I just think that informing people on prevention is more helpful than waiting till it's already too late to teach them. Because I think most people wouldn't bother REALLY finding out about abortion till they're pregnant and how easy is it to make a rational, non-emotive decision when you already have a child growing inside you. It's not just hard, it's IMPOSSIBLE.
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I think (yes, this is my opinion) that the circumstances of a pregnancy should not and can not justify the termination (read: murder) of the baby.
I never once advocated my opinion as the ultimate authority on the matter. I was as much hoping for a better form of education for myself as much as anyone else. I am the first to admit that I don't know all the facts - but I do know the important ones.
If you were unfortunate enough to go through the terrifying and devestating ordeal of rape, and fell pregnant - and you were not sure who the father of the baby was, would it still be acceptable to terminate that life?
What if then, when the child was 2 years old, DNA testing proved that the father was in fact the rapist - would it be ok to terminate the 2 year old?
If the answer is yes - you need counselling. If the answer is no, what's the difference?
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The difference is, that it isn't that simple. It would be nice if life WAS that straightforward but it just isn't.
In your scenario, it would be ok if a child was brought into the world due to a traumatic rape, and the parent being pushed into thinking abortion is murder. Having been through a crime themselves, calling abortion 'murder' would probably influence that person into thinking THEY were committing a crime.
Yet simply due to the nature of the rape, the mother has difficulty even LOOKING at the child let alone taking care of it properly.
In your scenario, is that acceptable? Having an abused, neglected child live their life knowing how they'd been conceived and knowing how the mother feels.
That's just a hypothetical, I can't say I know what it's like to be brutally r*ped.........all I'm saying is that sometimes things just aren't as simple as you think.