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I was aborted 15 times. Finally got in. My ghost harbors no hard feelings against these various would-be mothers. Afterall, I now have an incredible innate ability to crash into parties and other general ninja-like sneakery.

Peace,
 
Originally posted by lioness22
The difference is, that it isn't that simple. It would be nice if life WAS that straightforward but it just isn't.

In your scenario, it would be ok if a child was brought into the world due to a traumatic rape, and the parent being pushed into thinking abortion is murder. Having been through a crime themselves, calling abortion 'murder' would probably influence that person into thinking THEY were committing a crime.

Yet simply due to the nature of the rape, the mother has difficulty even LOOKING at the child let alone taking care of it properly.

In your scenario, is that acceptable? Having an abused, neglected child live their life knowing how they'd been conceived and knowing how the mother feels.

That's just a hypothetical, I can't say I know what it's like to be brutally r*ped.........all I'm saying is that sometimes things just aren't as simple as you think.
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Adoption.
 
Originally posted by Zeke
Adoption.
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Again, easier said than done. As a woman, that's YOUR child, a part of YOU. I don't think ANYONE has the right to tell a woman who's been violated in any way that she HAS to have that baby or else she's a murderer. It's a little different to an accidental pregnancy or being irresponsible.

If she doesn't want to carry that child she shouldn't have to, nor should she have to face any social stigma because she chooses to terminate the pregnancy.
 
Originally posted by lioness22
Again, easier said than done. As a woman, that's YOUR child, a part of YOU. I don't think ANYONE has the right to tell a woman who's been violated in any way that she HAS to have that baby or else she's a murderer. It's a little different to an accidental pregnancy or being irresponsible.

If she doesn't want to carry that child she shouldn't have to, nor should she have to face any social stigma because she chooses to terminate the pregnancy.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one because...

I don't think ANYONE has the right to terminate a baby, regardless of the circumstances.
 

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Originally posted by Zeke
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one because...

I don't think ANYONE has the right to terminate a baby, regardless of the circumstances.
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And no one has the right to tell me, or any other woman what to do with my body!
If you honestly believe that a woman should still have to go through with a pregnancy and the trauma and pain of child birth after being r*ped then you seriously need a reality check!
What right do you have to tell any woman what she can and cannot do?
Abortion is an option, a legal option and rightly so. It's people like you with your emotional and antiquated thinking that cause young girls and women to go to backyard butchers.
 
Personally I don't think abortion is right but it aint my body, so who am I to judge? You have to make your own decisions. Having said that, why can't more people decide to use contraception?

Jay in Dogma summed it up well: "women's bodies are their own ****en business."
 
Originally posted by Bee
And no one has the right to tell me, or any other woman what to do with my body!
If you honestly believe that a woman should still have to go through with a pregnancy and the trauma and pain of child birth after being r*ped then you seriously need a reality check!
What right do you have to tell any woman what she can and cannot do?
Abortion is an option, a legal option and rightly so. It's people like you with your emotional and antiquated thinking that cause young girls and women to go to backyard butchers.
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When someone asks my opionion, I am obliged to offer it. I don't appreciate being abused for doing so.

Yes, every person has the right to do with thier own body what they wish. Just strikes me as bizarre that no one ever takes into account the fact that it is not just thier body - there is another human life to be taken into consideration.

If it's antiquated thinking, what's wrong with that - does any thought/idea immediately become wrong or obsolete when it becomes a certain age.

If that is the case, let's make murder legal, cause it is just antiquated thinking to believe that it is wrong. Let's legalize domestic violence, what an old concept that is...

What really causes young girls to opt for backyard abortions is the belief that that is their only option.

As for my thinking being emotional - sincere apologies that I feel emotional about human life being disregarded like trash. Surely I'm over-reacting. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Zeke
When someone asks my opionion, I am obliged to offer it. I don't appreciate being abused for doing so.
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And I don't appreciate people who try to push their opinions on to others by trying to shame them into thinking they are wrong.
It's the same as those idiots who stand outside abortion clinics waving placards and shouting out to the women who are going inside. All those holier than thou people who no doubt have never done a thing wrong in their lives. All of them waiting for the day they are sanctified. And the men, like you, who think that a woman would be happy to carry a child inside her that resulted from a rape. What the hell do you think rape is? A few minutes of pleasure, akin to a consensual one night stand? FFS it's a violation of body and soul and the legacy that resulted from that violation is a constant reminder of the nightmare. But to your way of thinking it should be fine to go through the nine months and the pain of bringing that legacy into the world!
Like I said, reality check!

Originally posted by Zeke

Yes, every person has the right to do with thier own body what they wish. Just strikes me as bizarre that no one ever takes into account the fact that it is not just thier body - there is another human life to be taken into consideration.
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Really? And when does human life become human life?
 
Originally posted by Zeke
I think (yes, this is my opinion) that the circumstances of a pregnancy should not and can not justify the termination (read: murder) of the baby.

I never once advocated my opinion as the ultimate authority on the matter. I was as much hoping for a better form of education for myself as much as anyone else. I am the first to admit that I don't know all the facts - but I do know the important ones.

If you were unfortunate enough to go through the terrifying and devestating ordeal of rape, and fell pregnant - and you were not sure who the father of the baby was, would it still be acceptable to terminate that life?

What if then, when the child was 2 years old, DNA testing proved that the father was in fact the rapist - would it be ok to terminate the 2 year old?

If the answer is yes - you need counselling. If the answer is no, what's the difference?
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The mere fact that you think YOUR opinion has more validity than that of a pregnant woman shows that you probably need some kind of counselling yourself.
You have played your cards early and it is plainly obvious that you DO NOT value any opinions apart from your own antiquated mysoganist, right-wing christian, Montescue influenced, Social Darwinist crap. I certainly hope you don't find anyone you love in a position that requires such a tragic decision to be made.
Your example of the two year old is simply ignorance personified. You should be ashamed of youyrself for even considering that you have the right to judge a woman and her decisions based on your beliefs.
 
Originally posted by Zeke
If that's what helps you all sleep at night... :rolleyes:

Good luck.
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Zeke would you prefer a baby came into this world and wasnt loved and treated well and in the end was abused by the parents that didnt want it? So that the whole cycle can start again when the baby gets to be 16 and gets pregnant!
 
Originally posted by carlyp
Zeke would you prefer a baby came into this world and wasnt loved and treated well and in the end was abused by the parents that didnt want it? So that the whole cycle can start again when the baby gets to be 16 and gets pregnant!
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Adoption.
 

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Originally posted by Zeke
If that's what helps you all sleep at night... :rolleyes:

Good luck.
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The use of the 'rolleyes' smilie is the biggest giveaway that the user is out of ideas and void of knowledge.
 
The Facts...

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Egg and sperm
Hundreds of sperm cluster around an unfertilised egg. Eventually one will break through the outer coat and begin the fertilisation process. Sperm can survive for up to 48 hours in the female reproductive tract - and take 10 hours to navigate their way up it. (Picture: "From Conception to Birth" by Alexander Tsiaras and Barry Werth)

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Early embryo
This picture shows a bundle of cells called a "blastocyst". This embryo is approximately four days old. Within days some of these cells will start to form the baby itself, while others will form the membranes and tissues that will help keep it alive in the coming months. (Picture: "From Conception to Birth" by Alexander Tsiaras and Barry Werth)

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28-day foetus
This foetus is now approximately a month old. It already has recognisable features - a "head" with the hint of an eye and ear. There is also the first formation of a spinal cord - the "neural tube". (Picture: "From Conception to Birth" by Alexander Tsiaras and Barry Werth)

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32-day foetus
The distinct spinal cord is forming - while the foetus is not recognisably human, the brain is developing fast. The brain starts to form at just 18 days - and continues until several weeks after birth. (Picture: "From Conception to Birth" by Alexander Tsiaras and Barry Werth)

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44-day foetus
This remarkable image shows clearly how, although only half an inch long, the brain is swiftly developing. It already has a blood supply, and is starting to sprout arms and legs. The arms even have the first signs of fingers. (Picture: "From Conception to Birth" by Alexander Tsiaras and Barry Werth)

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54-day foetus
At 54 days, the foetus is beginning to look far more like a human baby, assuming the distinctive "foetal position". The external ear and nose are almost fully formed. Inside the body, the heart is assuming the four-chambered shaped needed for efficient pumping of blood around the body. (Picture: "From Conception to Birth" by Alexander Tsiaras and Barry Werth)

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Week 10 foetus
By week 10, fingernails are starting to sprout from nailbeds in the fingers. Many of the body's organs are starting to begin their function, including the liver and pancreas. The skin is now sensitive to touch, and the foetus is now growing fast - doubling in size between weeks nine and 12. (Picture: "From Conception to Birth" by Alexander Tsiaras and Barry Werth)

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28 week foetus
At 28 weeks, amazingly, this foetus could survive in the outside world - albeit with a great deal of expert help. The lungs and digestive system are not fully formed. But many babies born this early do survive. (Picture: "From Conception to Birth" by Alexander Tsiaras and Barry Werth)
 

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Originally posted by Bee
And when does human life become human life?
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I remember we had whole 2 hour "discussion" at Uni on this issue. Ultimately, this is what it boils down to.

The reason for the pregnancy, or the financial state of the mother/family can not be taken into consideration in such a moral issue. You are either talking about a third innocent person, or you are not.

If I walk down the street and punch a pregnant lady in the guts and as a direct result, the "baby" dies (before it is born) - should I be tried for murder?
 
Originally posted by BeCcA
You are such an arseh*le! just make me feel about 1 million times worse than I already do :(
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You'll just have to trust me that that was never my intention - I was sick of everyone labeling me an opinion-pusher. I thought that if I posted something that was devoid of opinion, totally factual and graphically accurate, some people might begin to develop a better awareness concerning this topic.

Sincere apologies if I have upset anyone.

The past is the past, nothing we can do about that. Pro Life is all about the future, it's about educating people to be better resourced when faced with such tough choices. It is not about guilt-tripping or finger-pointing, it is about providing a future for kids who otherwise might not have had a chance.

:)
 
Originally posted by carlyp
You have such a lovely way of putting that didnt you??

Anway, I see your point and the answer is: Yes. As soon as the mods see it!
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Although I have no idea why it should be taken down, I expect it will.

Better swept under the carpet...?
 
The 54 day fetus is the outside limit of the first trimester abortion. The size as seen in Zeke's post is grossly misrepresented. I think Zeke should have included in his post that the image had been magnified multiple times. To post it at the size he did is an indictment against his validity in my firm opinion.

While a late 1st trimester zygot abortion isn't the 'particle of dust' that Spidey described, it isn't the walking talking, sing along with Barney child that Zeke would like you to believe either.

The vast majority of safe, legal abortions practiced are more along the the lines of the "Early Embryo" and "28 day Fetus" as depicted in Zeke's attempt to make a graphic point. Those are, in fact, much closer to the 'particle of dust' which Spidey related. Those are definitely magnified in Zeke's post beyond any credible attempt for Zeke to remain credible and objective. There is no scale in the photos, and no scale in Zeke's mind or general argument.

Abortion is a terrible thing, but not the business of government or people not involved. Contraception is the reponsiblity of both the male and the female. However, once conception occurs - and in the first trimester - the ultimate decision maker as to the continutaion or termination of the pregnancy lies with the female.

At any rate, with an issue wich is so ferociously devisive, a democratic government has no business to intervene and make laws based upon something so relative (and thus irrelevant) as morality.

Peace,
 
Originally posted by Zeke
Although I have no idea why it should be taken down, I expect it will.

Better swept under the carpet...?
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Yes, its a little too graphic and would upset alot of people.
But I accept you were not like KingDive last night and meaning to offend anyone.
 
Originally posted by Mooster7
The 54 day fetus is the outside limit of the first trimester abortion. The size as seen in Zeke's post is grossly misrepresented. I think Zeke should have included in his post that the image had been magnified multiple times. To post it at the size he did is an indictment against his validity in my firm opinion.

While a late 1st trimester zygot abortion isn't the 'particle of dust' that Spidey described, it isn't the walking talking, sing along with Barney child that Zeke would like you to believe either.

The vast majority of safe, legal abortions practiced are more along the the lines of the "Early Embryo" and "28 day Fetus" as depicted in Zeke's attempt to make a graphic point. Those are, in fact, much closer to the 'particle of dust' which Spidey related. Those are definitely magnified in Zeke's post beyond any credible attempt for Zeke to remain credible and objective. There is no scale in the photos, and no scale in Zeke's mind or general argument.

Abortion is a terrible thing, but not the business of government or people not involved. Contraception is the reponsiblity of both the male and the female. However, once conception occurs - and in the first trimester - the ultimate decision maker as to the continutaion or termination of the pregnancy lies with the female.

At any rate, with an issue wich is so ferociously devisive, a democratic government has no business to intervene and make laws based upon something so relative (and thus irrelevant) as morality.

Peace,
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Apologies, I didn't realise all pictures posted on BigFooty needed to be scaled 1:1.

Idiot. :rolleyes:
 

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