abortion

[otaku]

Originally posted by Zeke
Pity me all you like, your pity has a zero effect on my life. If only you could bring yourself to pity all the murdered babies...

no need to pity them. They are dead, you see.

you need all the pity you can get, otherwise you will never be anything in life.

When you make a blanket statement with no backup of facts, or even REASONED argument, that makes you an object worthy of pity. It shows that your stupidity is monumental.

 

[Bee]

Originally posted by Zeke
I'm afraid that there is nothing you can say to sway me. In my opinion and understanding, abortion is murder, whether or not it is legally calssified that way or not.

You are obviously strong in your belief too, let's leave it at that.

How can it be murder if it is legal?

Anyhow I was not trying to sway you. I was simply trying to stress a few points which you seem to keep missing. Those being:

Women have the right to decide whether or not to continue their pregnancies regardless of religious or moral values.
The freedom of choice is a fundamental part of a democracy. Women have the right to choose when or if she will have a child.
She has the right to take control over her own body.

You are entitled to be opposed to abortion, but you have no right to try to impose those views on others.

 

[Zeke]

Originally posted by otaku
no need to pity them. They are dead, you see.

you need all the pity you can get, otherwise you will never be anything in life.

When you make a blanket statement with no backup of facts, or even REASONED argument, that makes you an object worthy of pity. It shows that your stupidity is monumental.

Dead because someone never allowed them to live.

By the way, what backup of fact, or reasoning have you brought to the table - all uneducated personal opionion to date. Never once have you quoted a reliable source, as I have, and never once have you cross referenced a legitimate scientific source, as I have.

Your argument is exactly that, just another argument.

As for your swipe at my personal life and achievements, you can think what you like, I'm happy, healthy and enjoying life - and all the more when people like you keep thier feminist, pro-abortion, murderous objectives out of my face.

 

[Bee]

Oh Zeke, I just read in another thread that you live in a beachside suburb in Hobart! God help me, I hope we are not neighbours!

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Bee

You are entitled to be opposed to abortion, but you have no right to try to impose those views on others.

Good advice for both sides of the argument.

 

[Bee]

Originally posted by Fred
Good advice for both sides of the argument.

Well you've always said I have a rational mind, Fred!

 

[Zeke]

Originally posted by Bee
Oh Zeke, I just read in another thread that you live in a beachside suburb in Hobart! God help me, I hope we are not neighbours!

I hope you are, for your sake - it's the best place to live in Australia.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Zeke
Dead because someone never allowed them to live.

By the way, what backup of fact, or reasoning have you brought to the table - all uneducated personal opionion to date. Never once have you quoted a reliable source, as I have, and never once have you cross referenced a legitimate scientific source, as I have.

so far, all you have posted is a simplistic response to a deep question. Adoption is not the answer (neither is wholescale abortion - but people need to have that choice)

your reliable source : (i do hope you dont mean that pro-life site that was posted by winny blue)

scientif source: i assume you mean the pictures of a fetus? They just back up the "pro-choice" argument. By the time most abortions are performed, the brain isnt even properly developed.

you never answered any of my questions. when is a fetus human? when does it become human, and how do you measure it?
My opinion is already there.

Your argument is exactly that, just another argument.

As for your swipe at my personal life and achievements, you can think what you like, I'm happy, healthy and enjoying life - and all the more when people like you keep thier feminist, pro-abortion, murderous objectives out of my face.

i am glad you are happy healthy and closeminded....ermm...enjoying life i mean.

if peoples opinions bother you, dont participate in the exercise.

 

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Zeke
Dead because someone never allowed them to live.

By the way, what backup of fact, or reasoning have you brought to the table - all uneducated personal opionion to date. Never once have you quoted a reliable source, as I have, and never once have you cross referenced a legitimate scientific source, as I have.

Your argument is exactly that, just another argument.

As for your swipe at my personal life and achievements, you can think what you like, I'm happy, healthy and enjoying life - and all the more when people like you keep thier feminist, pro-abortion, murderous objectives out of my face.

NOT ONCE have you presented a 'reliable source'. You are simply regurgitating opinions based on the same simplistc doctrine that you have. All these opinions and sources are extremely biased and give no credence to the differing opinion. This type of argument is the domain of the feeble minded and fanatic.
The opinions you have quoted and photo's you have used have already been discredited by someone with the knowledge to discredit them for what they are......

Sensationalist rubbish.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Zeke
If that's what helps you all sleep at night...

Good luck.

Most judgmental post on BigFooty ever.

Congratulations.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Bee
What truth? That you are a troll, an alias?

Given this topic has been covered before and provoked a similar reaction, you might be right.

 

[mantis]

Yes Fred, I thought it strange that someone hadn't made a comment, then along comes Zeke.

 

[Frodo]

With my Father in law's situation I have to reflect upon life itself v quality of life. An aged person with no real quality of life often wants to die. They want Euthanasia...which can be thought of as murder.

Is an unwanted foetus dissimilar? Is it fair to bring them into a world where they are not wanted? Is that the sort of quality of life any child has to be born into because in some peoples opinion "it is right"?

Abortion will always be an arguable topic but we have to consider the individual(s) rather than programmed principles of the era.

 

[skilts]

Love people who pontificate on this subject as if it's a simple decision.

"Abortion is murder."

"It's my body, I'll do what I like with it."

Abortion is not a decision which gives rise to pat aphorisms.

Taking that as a given, the people who say "murder" are usually male, or Catholic nuns, and are therefore not in a position in which they will ever be forced to make this vile decision.

Conversely, the people who say, "my body", usually do so to the detriment of the interests of any other involved party. This is probably still a sustainable argument, but it DOES depend on the quality of the effort you've made into exploring the alternatives.

Then of course, the effort you've put into avoiding the situation in the first place, may also be an issue. This applies to both parties.

Goodness me, this argument is becoming complex, even at this rudimentary level. So many things to think of. So many sides to the argument. So little value in mindless aphorisms.

Would it be unfair to ask a person who THOUGHTLESSLY committed to an abortion if they had opposable thumbs? Would it be unfair to ask if their knuckles are skinned from dragging? I doubt it happens very often. If it does, abortion is the least of their worries.

 

[Nigmeister]

how the hell can anyone support the murder of an unborn child

we think we're so enlightened, yet we pride ourself on our ability to kill the old and the defenseless, just to save face, or because it doesn't suit our lifestyle

Abortion is murder

Abortionists are blatent murderers

There are no other facts

Nobody has the right to kill an unborn child - end of discussion

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Nigmeister
Nobody has the right to kill an unborn child - end of discussion

So if you get r*ped & end up pregnant, you will go through with having the baby?

 

[Chiz]

Originally posted by Nigmeister
how the hell can anyone support the murder of an unborn child

we think we're so enlightened, yet we pride ourself on our ability to kill the old and the defenseless, just to save face, or because it doesn't suit our lifestyle

Abortion is murder

Abortionists are blatent murderers

There are no other facts

Nobody has the right to kill an unborn child - end of discussion

Well said.

A life is more important than someone's reputation.
However, I would have a higher opinion of someone who kept their child despite the consequences, then one who aborted.

Anyone who thinks they are responsible enough to have sex (and unsafe sex at that), has to be responsible to have a child.

 

[Chiz]

Originally posted by mantis
So if you get r*ped & end up pregnant, you will go through with having the baby?

How often does this happen?

This would be the only circumstance an abortion should be allowed, however this would be far less than 1% of cases I'm sure.

 

[Nigmeister]

Originally posted by mantis
So if you get r*ped & end up pregnant, you will go through with having the baby?

i would (except im a guy, so that doesn't quite work)

even so, i have no right to terminate a child's life

Sorry chiz, but even here, abortion is wrong

 

[mantis]

So your saying murder is OK sometimes, what about if the mothers life is at risk if she has the baby, also not all pregnancies are due to having unsafe sex, no contraception is 100% safe.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Nigmeister
i would (except im a guy, so that doesn't quite work)

even so, i have no right to terminate a child's life

Sorry chiz, but even here, abortion is wrong

I knew you were a guy, that's why I asked it, because it is easy for you to say that, because you would never have to go through that trauma, so in a word, you have no right to comment on what a woman should do, if she is in that situation.

 

[Chiz]

Originally posted by mantis
no contraception is 100% safe.

Well if you don't want the risk of having a baby, then don't have sex.

 

[Bomber Spirit]

Of course abortion's a bad thing. Think of the survival of the species.

I don't like abortion at all. It's not just a straightforward medical procedure, and it's awful thinking about babies that never got a chance at life. Even the people who have had them have talked about how agonising it is and how horrible it was.
But, as a male, I'm never going to be put in the position where I'd be faced with that choice. And who's to say that my moral judgement is better than anyone else's, and why should my views be imposed on others?
If I were a woman and became pregnant I wouldn't do it. Maybe if the pregnancy was the result of a rape or there were medical issues involved, but not otherwise. But that's just my opinion, and other people should have the right to disagree with me. That's the price of living in a free society, and I'd rather that than the alternative.

 

[Bee]

Originally posted by Chiz



Anyone who thinks they are responsible enough to have sex (and unsafe sex at that), has to be responsible to have a child.

And does that responsibility include the man staying around to help raise the child? Or is that responsibility the sole domain of the woman?

 

[Bee]

Originally posted by Chiz
How often does this happen?

This would be the only circumstance an abortion should be allowed, however this would be far less than 1% of cases I'm sure.

It happens far more often than you think it does.

I have an idea! Let's make abortion illegal and force women to go through with an unwanted pregnancy. Let's control women, and keep them oppressed. After all they got pregnant didn't they? So surely they are the ones responsible to bring the child into the world and raise it. Who the hell do these women think they are, believing they have the right to have control over their own lives and the freedom of choice if they want to be pregnant or not?!