Absolute JOKE CARLTON

[Fev0lution]

5 yrs on and i think we have got worse..

Holligirl...30 ineffective disposals
Stevens...i wish his pay cheque would bounce

i am filthy, missed targets by km's , turnovers, clangers

has denis given up or is he no good

no improvement at all in 5yrs where has this proud club gone ..we have gone for copping nothing less than a premiership to accepting spoons and a game we can be competitive

 

[iluvparis]

5 yrs on and i think we have got worse..

Holligirl...30 ineffective disposals
Stevens...i wish his pay cheque would bounce

i am filthy, missed targets by km's , turnovers, clangers

has denis given up or is he no good

no improvement at all in 5yrs where has this proud club gone ..we have gone for copping nothing less than a premiership to accepting spoons and a game we can be competitive

Take another look!

Richmond were easily favourites with the bookies and we have gone down by less than 2 goals. Do you know something the rest of the football world doesn't?

Don't see you blaming Fev? He kicks straight and we win!?

 

[Fev0lution]

you are obviously content with the loss by less than 2 goals to the bookies favourite...

whatever makes you sleep at night

 

[1980GFVideo]

Neither side can get too excited about tonights game.

 

[Waite_30]

We were killing em at the start. If we had continued we would of had a huge win. I guess we got ahead of ourselves.

 

[ShlomoGlickstein]

Neither side can get too excited about tonights game.

Yeah but teams that are down and out need wins and positives to keep them psychologically in it, regardless.

 

[TheBlueblood]

need to get the ball inside 30 M more often!!! most our inside 50's are like 45-49..

stevens.lappin need a good hard look at themselves as does pagan for moving whits!!!1

 

[mediumsizered]

5 yrs on and i think we have got worse..

Holligirl...30 ineffective disposals
Stevens...i wish his pay cheque would bounce

i am filthy, missed targets by km's , turnovers, clangers

has denis given up or is he no good

no improvement at all in 5yrs where has this proud club gone ..we have gone for copping nothing less than a premiership to accepting spoons and a game we can be competitive

Don't blame Houlihan. He was one of probably only 3 Carlton players that were hitting targets, the other 2 being Whitnall and Murphy. The problem sticks out like a sore thumb. NO LEADERSHIP. We have a captain who is strolling around, mostly working ahead of the ball, with no inclination to man up or get behind the ball. We have a vice captain in Stevo who is just not interested. A week or two in a red and white guernsey might be the best option for him at the moment. Fortunately Whitnall is providing some leadership, but he shouldn't be doing it alone.

Simpson on a half back flank? Who's brilliant idea was that? Why McGrath was dropped is beyond me. I am really starting to run out of patience with some of the coaching that is going on at the moment. Why move Whitnall to the backline, when he was killing Bowden up forward? Were they wanting to win the game or try and save it? I would have backed a forward line of Fevola, Whitnall, Waite and Fisher to outscore Richardson, Hughes, Patrick Bowden and anyone else they could have put up there.

I am getting sick of these 'honourable losses'. Particularly against gutless teams like Richmond and Fremantle. We have hit rock bottom and there is nothing to gain for the rest of this season to have both Kouta and Stevo running around in the same team. If Kouta is not told to retire honourably, we are just going to continue to get beaten by teams that take advantage of Carlton having two players who demonstrate no accountability at all.

Having got that off my chest, I will continue to watch the Blues every week, more than anything to watch the development of Murphy, Kennedy when he gets a go, Walker, Bentick and of course three of the best forwards in the game, Fevola, Whitnall and Waite. If we get 6 wins from the season it will be a bonus, but more importantly it will demonstrate that some tough decisions need to be made at the club from top to bottom.

 

[TheBlueblood]

Don't blame Houlihan. He was one of probably only 3 Carlton players that were hitting targets, the other 2 being Whitnall and Murphy. The problem sticks out like a sore thumb. NO LEADERSHIP. We have a captain who is strolling around, mostly working ahead of the ball, with no inclination to man up or get behind the ball. We have a vice captain in Stevo who is just not interested. A week or two in a red and white guernsey might be the best option for him at the moment. Fortunately Whitnall is providing some leadership, but he shouldn't be doing it alone.

Simpson on a half back flank? Who's brilliant idea was that? Why McGrath was dropped is beyond me. I am really starting to run out of patience with some of the coaching that is going on at the moment. Why move Whitnall to the backline, when he was killing Bowden up forward? Were they wanting to win the game or try and save it? I would have backed a forward line of Fevola, Whitnall, Waite and Fisher to outscore Richardson, Hughes, Patrick Bowden and anyone else they could have put up there.

I am getting sick of these 'honourable losses'. Particularly against gutless teams like Richmond and Fremantle. We have hit rock bottom and there is nothing to gain for the rest of this season to have both Kouta and Stevo running around in the same team. If Kouta is not told to retire honourably, we are just going to continue to get beaten by teams that take advantage of Carlton having two players who demonstrate no accountability at all.

Having got that off my chest, I will continue to watch the Blues every week, more than anything to watch the development of Murphy, Kennedy when he gets a go, Walker, Bentick and of course three of the best forwards in the game, Fevola, Whitnall and Waite. If we get 6 wins from the season it will be a bonus, but more importantly it will demonstrate that some tough decisions need to be made at the club from top to bottom.

Maybe smorgon wil try a coach with some imagination

 

[iluvparis]

you are obviously content with the loss by less than 2 goals to the bookies favourite...

whatever makes you sleep at night

It's called rational expectations - perhaps a few more on here should try it.

 

[audas]

Pagan is soft. Ultra conservative who just reaches for the same old tricks week in week out. Other coaches must ring each other up and have a good laugh "hey guess what, ive got Pagan this week, WONDER what hes going to do ?"

His lack of accountability on our senior players is not good either.

His use of Lance (on Richo, what a joke) reveals exactly where he is at.

Get a grip mate.

 

[Jimthegreat]

It's called rational expectations - perhaps a few more on here should try it.

The list is at the point of being reasonable. We don't expect to be 1-4 and we expect to beat sides like Richmond. Time to go Denis Pagan. you are past it.

 

[BlueWorld]

Holligirl...30 ineffective disposals

Houlihan had 15 effective kicks out of 17.

 

[Thrawn]

Houlihan actually played a good game.

But it's our skills. Who the hell is our skills coach, and WHY haven't they improved? Hell, last week we were more skillful, and that is saying a lot. Poor manning up in the back half costed us too, we really need a player who can cement CHB and make it his home.

It was a shocking game, we are not the most skillful side, but FFS, to make it into the big league you HAVE to do the basics right. Are we so that we can't kick a simple 20 - 40m drop punt? I mean, these players learn and train these skills all their careers, hell even in their U18 days.

I would understand some of those kicks if they were under pressure, but most of them were not. That has hurt us the most, and it is damaging our confidence. If you can't kick it well, kick it to a contest or a lone player, NOT to the bloody opposition! These sort of mistakes weren't .001 insta-reaction type disposals, these were the type where the player had the time to steady, look at his target and the opposition around him.

And if you have that time to do so, and kick it to the opposition, and do it ALL the time so it's not a one-off (hello DeLuca), then you do NOT deserve to be playing AFL.

The coaching as a lot to do with it too.

 

[Fev0lution]

It's called rational expectations - perhaps a few more on here should try it.

again another person who accepts a competitive game..have you watched the skills of the last 2 weeks...turnover city..clangers...and you accept this

 

[no. 4]

Their are more than three players at Carlton. If we rely on Houlihan, Stevens and Fevola for us to win then we need to look at ourselves. Other players have to lift and become match winners.

 

[iluvparis]

again another person who accepts a competitive game..have you watched the skills of the last 2 weeks...turnover city..clangers...and you accept this

Of course I accept it, because that's all we can really do at the moment. Now if I was a Melbourne supporter and we served up a performance like the did in Round 1 I'd be ed off. We were pre-season favourites for the wooden spoon for a reason. Whats changed in the last month? Our list certainly hasn't.

 

[blues76]

Pagan is soft. Ultra conservative who just reaches for the same old tricks week in week out. Other coaches must ring each other up and have a good laugh "hey guess what, ive got Pagan this week, WONDER what hes going to do ?"

His lack of accountability on our senior players is not good either.

His use of Lance (on Richo, what a joke) reveals exactly where he is at.

Get a grip mate.

spot on there...never proactive...as you said, he is so easy to read as a coach.. never tries anything different...starting to frustrate me. admittedly he doesnt have much to work with but the whitnall move was wrong wrong wrong. he proved last wk how good he is up forward.

 

[Fev0lution]

Of course I accept it, because that's all we can really do at the moment. Now if I was a Melbourne supporter and we served up a performance like the did in Round 1 I'd be ed off. We were pre-season favourites for the wooden spoon for a reason. Whats changed in the last month? Our list certainly hasn't.

ok you pull the doona over your head and dont worry about it becuase there is nothing we can do...

 

[Debs]

5 yrs on and i think we have got worse..

Holligirl...30 ineffective disposals
Stevens...i wish his pay cheque would bounce

i am filthy, missed targets by km's , turnovers, clangers

has denis given up or is he no good

no improvement at all in 5yrs where has this proud club gone ..we have gone for copping nothing less than a premiership to accepting spoons and a game we can be competitive

I agree with most of what you said. Last night was probably one of the worst games of football I've ever seen. The lack of skills on both sides was embarrassing. I despair to think of what the top sides are going to do to us.
From accepting nothing less than premierships to being happy with a "honorable loss', shows just how far this proud club as slipped.
I honestly believe that Dennis is passed his use by date and would not be surprised if he is not sacked before the season is over.
I've been a Carlton supporter for over 30 years and have never seen us this bad. I thought this season we may have improved but after last night I don't believe we have.

 

[irish_setanta]

again another person who accepts a competitive game..have you watched the skills of the last 2 weeks...turnover city..clangers...and you accept this

Yes alot of supporters do except this, we are coming back after harsh draft restrictions, Poor list management and financial ruin. Look at the bigger picture, and use the saints as a perfect example, they didnt build there list on the back of one draft, they did it over a number of years. Recruited people with good attitudes and who wanted to play for each other, its something that carlton are trying to do now, but it will take time. If you want to blame someone for the situation we are in look at elliot, parkin and the admin of the 90s. Pagan might make stupid moves but in all honest who could do anymore with the list we have got? imo no one could. Carlton never used the draft properly until the last few years, unfortunately we are a bottom 4 team at best, and with proper use of the draft we will one day be a force again. So accepting a 2 goal loss, with the list we have is exceptable, why put these young guys out there and let them get slaughtered by 15 goals each week, play the way we are and maybe we can pinch a few wins through out the year and build the young guys confidence. Thats my opinion, i hate seeing us loose too, but we are in a far better position today than we have been over the last 4 years.

 

[Fev0lution]

you obviously jump into bed, pull the doona over your head and when you wake up the next morning everthing is ok

we have a number of players who would walk up starts in most teams

Stevens
Kouta
Fev
waite
fish
lance
houlli
walker
murph
lappin
scotland

there is no excuse for the poor skills we have showed over the last few weeks...keep blaming the previous administrators if that makes you feel better

 

[irish_setanta]

you obviously jump into bed, pull the doona over your head and when you wake up the next morning everthing is ok

we have a number of players who would walk up starts in most teams

Stevens
Kouta
Fev
waite
fish
lance
houlli
walker
murph
lappin
scotland

there is no excuse for the poor skills we have showed over the last few weeks...keep blaming the previous administrators if that makes you feel better

True, but over the last 5 years we have had alot more who wouldnt get a game at any club, and whos fault is that? If you want to beleive that previous coaches and admin wasnt at fault, you beleive that, but its obvious if thats what you beleive then you have been living under your doona, i ask you this, who did parkin get through the draft that is still at the club? As for the poor skills, i agree totally its not good enough from a team of professional footballers, but we have to remember that there are alot of young guys out there being put under huge pressure and naturally they are going to make mistakes and turn over the ball, but in saying that there is no excuses for the likes of lappin, kouta and stevens doing it.Fans who demand success are living in the 80s, we are rebuilding and unfortunately that will take time, but in the near future we will be a succesful club again, the whole problem is alot of supporters dont understand that it will take TIME.

 

[dee_molisher]

Man you guys are crap. Bloody crap. How we lost to you is beyond me... perhaps we felt sorry for you... you are crap.

 

[Gumby]

Way to support the club peoples!

Too many posts written straight after the game while the blood was still boiling. Not intelligent or informative, just dribble in most cases.

I was disappointed in getting so close again but at least we are getting close each week and not getting belted (fingers crossed) yet.

I taped the game and watched it again yesterday and will again today. Then checked the stats, mainly the kids stats.

Walker had 20 kicks, 25 touches in total. Murphy 20 touches and 9 marks, Simpson, Bentick, Betts and Carrazzo have done well so far this year also.

The kids are starting to play well but consistency is the key and we probably won't have it for a couple of years.

Another kid who I am impressed with is young Jordan Russell. Going ok and was better this week and will only get better with exposure. When his confidence grows he will be invaluable to our side. Is a great size for a midfielder, would be around 189 or 190cm I would think and has bulked up. Is fit and has super speed. His kicking is sound, it's just he needs exposure and confidence and both will come in time.

I am impressed at least with the way Denis is coaching the team, more possession footy and giving the kid more responsibility and exposure. At least he's trying something different and thinking outside of the square which hasn't been the case in recent seasons.