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Freeman doesn't surprise me. I was actually the converse - I was surprised at the lack of talk about him given he fits our needs.

No Smith doesn't surprise me really, I still think he sounds like a rookie prospect more so than a national draft type.

Conway and Tickner both surprise me - both areas of some need (dedicated inside mid, KPD), both rated for quite a while. Can't say I'm too enthused about the prospect of missing out on local boys.
 
Neither Conway or Tickner got to the combine did they ? Would mean not enough clubs were interested, so perhaps we just don't want to highlight them to other clubs seems they aren't on any radars anyway. We seem to have made space on our rookie list, so I can see us using 3 spots on academy kids that way. Freeman is a bit if a mystery, as I don't think he has had much attention either, but perhaps he just fits need more at the minute.
 

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Maybe I've been reading this all wrong. I thought other clubs had to nominate first our academy players first and then we had to decide if we would use our next pick after in accordance to the father son rule. If no club nominates them do we then state which pick we could use be it national or rookie draft picks?
 
jjami15 said:
Maybe I've been reading this all wrong. I thought other clubs had to nominate first our academy players first and then we had to decide if we would use our next pick after in accordance to the father son rule. If no club nominates them do we then state which pick we could use be it national or rookie draft picks?
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You've got it the wrong way around. :)

We nominate the academy players we're interested in taking. The other clubs can then choose to bid a pick on each player. If we choose to match them, we're locked in to using our next pick on that player. If we choose not to match them, that club is locked in to using that pick on that player.
 
What happens if we nominate a player and no other teams put in a bid? Are we locked into taking them with a ND pick of our choice being we have nominated, or are they just free game in the draft as normal? Does nominating them lock us in to any degree, even if there are no other bids I guess is the short version of the question. If so we might not nominate them because we simply don't want to take them all on the senior list.
 
chopperduck said:
What happens if we nominate a player and no other teams put in a bid? Are we locked into taking them with a ND pick of our choice being we have nominated, or are they just free game in the draft as normal? Does nominating them lock us in to any degree, even if there are no other bids I guess is the short version of the question. If so we might not nominate them because we simply don't want to take them all on the senior list.
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If no club is interested (no one puts a bid) we are obligated to take that player with any of our picks. Which usually is the last pick. Could be pick 149 if that was our last pick.
 
chopperduck said:
What happens if we nominate a player and no other teams put in a bid? Are we locked into taking them with a ND pick of our choice being we have nominated, or are they just free game in the draft as normal? Does nominating them lock us in to any degree, even if there are no other bids I guess is the short version of the question. If so we might not nominate them because we simply don't want to take them all on the senior list.
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Nominating them means we have to take them in the ND, and if no one else bids that will be with our last pick(s) - the same as rookie upgrades.

There's a second level where you can register your interest in taking them as a rookie if they're not drafting in the ND. If you do that and they are not drafted, you can prelist them directly as a rookie. That's not as much use for the academy kids (as opposed to the father/son kids) because all the academy clubs have priority rookie draft picks that can be used instead, without tipping your hand.
 
Great work dlanod, thanks for that. With that in mind I can see why the club might not actually nominate a bunch of academy kids. I've always thought the academy products would be mostly rookie list types. So assuming they enter the ND, we need clubs not to use a pick on them and we get first rights to them in the PSD ?
 
Would I be incorrect for thinking that Collingwood were interested in Conway?

If so, it is probably not inconceivable that they may snap him up with their last pick. Clearly I'm not a regular reserves watcher, but surely it would be a major blunder on our part if we let a genuine Brisbane based kid slip through to another AFL club, especially in light of the current trend of young interstate players (irrespective of AFL clubs throughout the country) wanting to leave their initial clubs at the first opportunity such as the current five leaving us. And that's not to mention that for whatever reason it is rare that these same Qld based kids seek moves back north as per the soft ***** from Vic/SA/WA.
 
Dylan12 said:
Would I be incorrect for thinking that Collingwood were interested in Conway?

If so, it is probably not inconceivable that they may snap him up with their last pick. Clearly I'm not a regular reserves watcher, but surely it would be a major blunder on our part if we let a genuine Brisbane based kid slip through to another AFL club, especially in light of the current trend of young interstate players (irrespective of AFL clubs throughout the country) wanting to leave their initial clubs at the first opportunity such as the current five leaving us. And that's not to mention that for whatever reason it is rare that these same Qld based kids seek moves back north as per the soft ***** from Vic/SA/WA.
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It would only be a blunder if we rated him better than other players we want to select around the same draft range. Can't pick up players just because they are from Queensland. And why would you think collingwood are interested? It sounds like Conway and tickner aren't hugely on the radar of other clubs otherwise they would have gotten an invite to the national combine.
 
ZoBlitz said:
It would only be a blunder if we rated him better than other players we want to select around the same draft range. Can't pick up players just because they are from Queensland.
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Of course not, but considering so many young non-Queenslanders want out of the club, I'd suggest the club will have to look at the geographic region it drafts players from or at least better examine what type of kids from those problem areas it drafts. Kerr and whoever else (as per the article on the Lions website) can crap on about finding a cure for homesickness, but if you ask me, the correlation is that as Quigley said somewhere yesterday, Kerr had a big say in the two seasons that our top 5 drafted players were recruited, yet he is deflecting the blame elsewhere. Polec, Karnezis and Longer were never going to last, that was evident from afar, so to ignore a player with Conway's ability in a position we are struggling, I'd have thought he would still be a better option than taking a punt on some late draft pick from a kid interstate at his expense, but sure, I have every bit of faith in Kerr with his track record.:rolleyes:

ZoBlitz said:
And why would you think collingwood are interested? It sounds like Conway and tickner aren't hugely on the radar of other clubs otherwise they would have gotten an invite to the national combine.
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Two reasons I thought they were interested 1) talk on these boards, unless I am mistaken and 2) a comment from a work colleague that does legal work for Collingwood and knows a few people at the club, for whatever that is worth, but the fact he even mentioned Conway to me, actually surprised considering I wouldn't have thought he would even have heard of him.

As for not being invited to the national combine...club's do deliberately not invite players for certain reasons.
 

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Dylan12 said:
Of course not, but considering so many young non-Queenslanders want out of the club, I'd suggest the club will have to look at the geographic region it drafts players from or at least better examine what type of kids from those problem areas it drafts. Kerr and whoever else (as per the article on the Lions website) can crap on about finding a cure for homesickness, but if you ask me, the correlation is that as Quigley said somewhere yesterday, Kerr had a big say in the two seasons that our top 5 drafted players were recruited, yet he is deflecting the blame elsewhere. Polec, Karnezis and Longer were never going to last, that was evident from afar, so to ignore a player with Conway's ability in a position we are struggling, I'd have thought he would still be a better option than taking a punt on some late draft pick from a kid interstate at his expense, but sure, I have every bit of faith in Kerr with his track record.:rolleyes:

Two reasons I thought they were interested 1) talk on these boards, unless I am mistaken and 2) a comment from a work colleague that does legal work for Collingwood and knows a few people at the club, for whatever that is worth, but the fact he even mentioned Conway to me, actually surprised considering I wouldn't have thought he would even have heard of him.

As for not being invited to the national combine...club's do deliberately not invite players for certain reasons.
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Oh good, and here I was thinking that your opinion on the academy decision wasn't linked with your need to blame Kerr for everything that's happened with the players going home. How about you stick to the topic at hand for a change?

All we know is that these kids won't be picked up as academy selections. They may still be picked up in the ND or rookie list depending on what's available. We may not wanted to lock in several players for selections in the draft because of the various trading that might go on this off-season. Considering that only Smith and Freeman were invited to the combine, it would suggest that these two players probably have the most interest for other clubs despite what you say about clubs deliberately not inviting players for certain reasons.

And if they are not picked up by us it could just be that the club feels that there are better players available for our various draft selections. While you obviously disregard any and all thoughts that Kerr and the club have about players, they have been tracking these kids for a long time and would know what their potential and value would be. No doubt if we had pre-selected all four Queenslanders you would have been annoyed that the club for not making more of an effort to pick up better players in the draft.

So if Conway ends up getting picked up at pick 45 by Collingwood it won't be a great loss as it would show that he wasn't considered a great talent by other clubs (as well as Brisbane) in the draft. Believe me, if the club (and other clubs in the AFL) ranked these players highly we would have snapped them up on the cheap through the bidding system.
 
ZoBlitz said:
How about you stick to the topic at hand for a change?
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They're interrelated smart guy but obviously you couldn't quite work that out, so again, like your other 'mates' on here, go for the personal insults and derision as is accustomary with you lot.
 
If one of our academy kids get picked up by another club and go on to become great players then **** kerr and his draft reports I'd want his arse out the door. We ****ed around with dayne beams and we're ****ing around again.
 
ZoBlitz said:
So if Conway ends up getting picked up at pick 45 by Collingwood it won't be a great loss as it would show that he wasn't considered a great talent by other clubs (as well as Brisbane) in the draft. Believe me, if the club (and other clubs in the AFL) ranked these players highly we would have snapped them up on the cheap through the bidding system.
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If he gets picked up by Collingwood at 45, he may well be a better player than if he gets picked up by the Lions at 53.
 
Dylan12 said:
They're interrelated smart guy but obviously you couldn't quite work that out, so again, like your other 'mates' on here, go for the personal insults and derision as is accustomary with you lot.
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I think it is just your tendency to discount any logical arguments for the club's approach and assume complete batshit incompetence by default at every turn.

I find it is possible to understand the logic used in most decisions, even if I don't necessarily think I would have made the same decisions.
 
Ruse said:
If one of our academy kids get picked up by another club and go on to become great players then **** kerr and his draft reports I'd want his arse out the door. We ****** around with dayne beams and we're ******* around again.
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Seen much of these academy players in action Ruse? I don't recall you being a passionate advocate for any of them until today?
 

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When a player of Riewoldt's promise comes from our Academy and is rated as first pick or even top 10 in the draft he will most likely be nominated.

Also have a look at what is most likely to happen with Luke McDonald...Steve Conole has said we are likely to put in a bid for him at 7 to force North to use their pick 8 on him in the National Draft as a father/son...we must rate him better than anyone we are likely to get at 7.

Kerr did not rule out using a mid range selection (we could be knee deep in them from the departees) for another Academy player...flexibility in the meantime re trades.
 
Old Den said:
When a player of Riewoldt's promise comes from our Academy and is rated as first pick or even top 10 in the draft he will most likely be nominated.

Also have a look at what is most likely to happen with Luke McDonald...Steve Conole has said we are likely to put in a bid for him at 7 to force North to use their pick 8 on him in the National Draft as a father/son...we must rate him better than anyone we are likely to get at 7.

Kerr did not rule out using a mid range selection (we could be knee deep in them from the departees) for another Academy player...flexibility in the meantime re trades.
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exactly its just he doesnt want to give up 3rd and 4th round picks with the possbility we might end up need them as a sweetener to a possible first round pick or a 2nd round pick
 
Wish we didnt have to nominate these things until after the trade period, so we knew what picks we actually had.

Chances are we are going to get picks out of Karniezis, Doc, Yeo and possible Polec, and those could be used to secure Conway and Tickner, with Archie going on the rookie list.
 
Most of the young QLD talent is only worth a late pick or rookie pick. Unless we have guaranteed top talent I can't see us nominating 2 or 3 kids in the same draft. We will probably take a lot of our academy kids as rookies because while they have the talent they will be a few years behind the kids from Vic, WA, and SA
 

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