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How many years ago was this?
Coming from close to where I live I've seen Meesen a few times in club footy for Moddy, not to mention playing for vic country in 2004. I also saw some of him playing for Norwood last year on ABC2 so I saw him last year.
Is that recent enough?
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Needs to start showing it though. Ruckman do take longer but he's 21 this year and still yet to play a senior game. Also the fact that Maric has been given the nod a few times shows that they obviously think he's passed Meesen. With a club that will be needing a ruckman to stand up this year this is his opportunity.
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The whole Adelaide Crows team have no talent
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Crows have done well to turn a low draft picks into a player who really contributes to the team .IE Johncock & Rutten. Crows really havent had many high draft picks for a long time and still find themselves in the finals and doing quite well. Mind you, the rebuilding phase will be coming very soon, perhaps even 07? The one draft pick the crows should have kept was letting kane johnson go and using the pick to get wayne carey. The draft pick should have been used to get Daniel Wells.
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In all honesty, I'd have to rate it as terrible.
There is some talent there, but at the same time, they are probably behind every other list in the league in terms of young talent - 22 and under, as the poll on the board suggests most people consider young talent to be.
They are very rich in the 23-26 area, which can often effect how important it is to actually HAVE that richness in the younger group, because those players aren't going to retire any time soon. They got Scott Thompson, Ben Rutten, Graham Johncock, Brent Reilly, Martin Mattner, Ken McGregor, Scott Stevens, Robert Shirley and Kris Massie in that age range.
However, the 22 and under group consists of
Rhys Archard, Bryce Campbell, Richard Douglas, Greg Gallman, Nick Gill, Jonathan Griffin, John Hinge, Luke Jericho, Chris Knights, David Mackay, Ivan Maric, Andrew McIntyre, John Meesen, Jason Porplyzia, Darren Pfeiffer, James Sellar, Kurt Tippett, James Turner, Nathan Van Berlo and Bernie Vince.
Of that group, Ivan Maric, Nathan Van Berlo, Jason Porplyzia and Chris Knights are the ones that have shown especially solid form at AFL level to date.
Of those who haven't shown much, if anything, at AFL level, I rate Richard Douglas, James Sellar, Kurt Tippett and David Mackay particularly highly, but generally, the cupboard seems pretty bare.
Obviously they have been hampered by the lack of access to high picks, and have traded some of them away, with the Scott Thompson trade working out for them, and the Wayne Carey trade turning out to be a disaster in the end, given what they traded away.
It's not that they have no young talent, but rather that they probably have LESS young talent than any team in the league.
There is some talent there, but at the same time, they are probably behind every other list in the league in terms of young talent - 22 and under, as the poll on the board suggests most people consider young talent to be.
They are very rich in the 23-26 area, which can often effect how important it is to actually HAVE that richness in the younger group, because those players aren't going to retire any time soon. They got Scott Thompson, Ben Rutten, Graham Johncock, Brent Reilly, Martin Mattner, Ken McGregor, Scott Stevens, Robert Shirley and Kris Massie in that age range.
However, the 22 and under group consists of
Rhys Archard, Bryce Campbell, Richard Douglas, Greg Gallman, Nick Gill, Jonathan Griffin, John Hinge, Luke Jericho, Chris Knights, David Mackay, Ivan Maric, Andrew McIntyre, John Meesen, Jason Porplyzia, Darren Pfeiffer, James Sellar, Kurt Tippett, James Turner, Nathan Van Berlo and Bernie Vince.
Of that group, Ivan Maric, Nathan Van Berlo, Jason Porplyzia and Chris Knights are the ones that have shown especially solid form at AFL level to date.
Of those who haven't shown much, if anything, at AFL level, I rate Richard Douglas, James Sellar, Kurt Tippett and David Mackay particularly highly, but generally, the cupboard seems pretty bare.
Obviously they have been hampered by the lack of access to high picks, and have traded some of them away, with the Scott Thompson trade working out for them, and the Wayne Carey trade turning out to be a disaster in the end, given what they traded away.
It's not that they have no young talent, but rather that they probably have LESS young talent than any team in the league.
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Quality over quantity.
Other clubs have more youngsters but I would rather have more better youngsters.
Douglas, Sellar, Pfeiffer, Mackay, Bock, Rutten, Porplyzia, Knights, Vince, Maric, Meesen, Mcintyre, Archard, Hinge, van Berlo.
Quality.
Other clubs have more youngsters but I would rather have more better youngsters.
Douglas, Sellar, Pfeiffer, Mackay, Bock, Rutten, Porplyzia, Knights, Vince, Maric, Meesen, Mcintyre, Archard, Hinge, van Berlo.
Quality.
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Hahahaah this thread is hilarious.
Not one person has given an in-depth summary as to why our list is so "terrible" and given individual ratings and comments. (vinnie_vegas69 has been the closest but still no individual summaries)
I bet half of the idiots in this thread haven't even seen the likes of Macca, Tippett, Mackay, Meesen etc play in the SANFL or train at West Lakes. You cannot say our under 22 brigade are terrible when some are yet to debut yet.
Come on all you experts who are taking swings at Adelaide youngsters and not backing it up with anything, let's see what you got. I want to hear their weaknesses, when you think they'll debut, why you think they haven't debuted yet and a rating out of 10. Basically tell us why they're so "terrible"
I think I could be waiting quite a while but if no one is willing to back up their comments then shut your mouth because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about
Not one person has given an in-depth summary as to why our list is so "terrible" and given individual ratings and comments. (vinnie_vegas69 has been the closest but still no individual summaries)
I bet half of the idiots in this thread haven't even seen the likes of Macca, Tippett, Mackay, Meesen etc play in the SANFL or train at West Lakes. You cannot say our under 22 brigade are terrible when some are yet to debut yet.
Come on all you experts who are taking swings at Adelaide youngsters and not backing it up with anything, let's see what you got. I want to hear their weaknesses, when you think they'll debut, why you think they haven't debuted yet and a rating out of 10. Basically tell us why they're so "terrible"
I think I could be waiting quite a while but if no one is willing to back up their comments then shut your mouth because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about
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Ill tell ya why I think its terrible
Douglas Vince Porplyzia - Same size same speed. I think all 3 lack the pace to be true stars in the midfield.
Maric Meesen Sellar Hinge - 4 men competing for one ruck spot. Why?
Knights Van Berlo - OK players but there disposal???. Both tall receivers really but both cant kick worth a damn
As far as Bock Rutten go there nearing on 24 and dont count I think in this discussion. Quite simply 4 of your youngsters are going for 1 spot. The other 3 are clones of each other and lack pace and the other 2 ive seen disposal is just plain awful. Your youngsters can be broken down into 3 categories
Slow midfielders
Ruckmen
Tall flankers
Wheres the pacy winger, the inside midfielder, the dashing CHB etc that most teams are developing...
Douglas Vince Porplyzia - Same size same speed. I think all 3 lack the pace to be true stars in the midfield.
Maric Meesen Sellar Hinge - 4 men competing for one ruck spot. Why?
Knights Van Berlo - OK players but there disposal???. Both tall receivers really but both cant kick worth a damn
As far as Bock Rutten go there nearing on 24 and dont count I think in this discussion. Quite simply 4 of your youngsters are going for 1 spot. The other 3 are clones of each other and lack pace and the other 2 ive seen disposal is just plain awful. Your youngsters can be broken down into 3 categories
Slow midfielders
Ruckmen
Tall flankers
Wheres the pacy winger, the inside midfielder, the dashing CHB etc that most teams are developing...
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Hinge a ruckman at 186cm? You lost all credibility right there you goose.
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Closest to a summary yet
but still no idea. 
Douglas, Vince, Porps are alike in every aspect are they? Douglas lacks pace
Oh god. Did you see him at the Norwood trial on Friday? Nope. Star of the future. Meesen, Maric, Hinge and Sellar again... why have you combined them and said "all competing for one ruck spot, why" That's not a ********ing reason why they're terrible and I think it's more between Maric and Meesen at this stage. Come on, we want individual summaries.
van Berlo has poor disposal? Again, did you watch the Norwood trial? Have you been to West Lakes and seen him train lately? Didn't think so. No idea.
Bock, Rutten, Mattner (pacy wingman
) nearing 24!! Geez talk about oldies 
And no, our youngsters aren't divided into 3 categories, again showing you have no idea.
Hmmm after reading that post again, it really wasn't good at all. The only thing I agree on is Knights' disposal, it needs some work but once that's fixed he's got a great career ahead of him.
Nice try but you've failed and shown you have no clue
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Yeh I was thinking of Jonathon Griffen. You still got 4 ruckmen vying for one spot
Hinge is nearly 21 years old and ive never heard of him
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Yeh I was thinking of Jonathon Griffen. You still got 4 ruckmen vying for one spot
Hinge is nearly 21 years old and ive never heard of him
So if you've never heard of him why'd you mention his name in your post? Trying to look like you actually know something about our youngsters?
Come on mate, do yourself a favour and don't post again in this thread, you've shown you know S F all already.
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Closest to a summary yet
Douglas, Vince, Porps are alike in every aspect are they? Douglas lacks pace
Meesen, Maric, Hinge and Sellar again... why have you combined them and said "all competing for one ruck spot, why" That's not a ********ing reason why they're terrible and I think it's more between Maric and Meesen at this stage. Come on, we want individual summaries.
van Berlo has poor disposal? Again, did you watch the Norwood trial? Have you been to West Lakes and seen him train lately? Didn't think so. No idea.
Bock, Rutten, Mattner (pacy wingman
And no, our youngsters aren't divided into 3 categories, again showing you have no idea.
Hmmm after reading that post again, it really wasn't good at all. The only thing I agree on is Knights' disposal, it needs some work but once that's fixed he's got a great career ahead of him.
Nice try but you've failed and shown you have no clue
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If Douglas is pacy then Judd is a ********ing jet engine. Thats what im talking about in terms of pace. Has he got that acceleration. Nope. All of your midfielders bar Knights are under 185cm. Who the hell is gonna mark the ball in the midfield.
Maric is your Cain Ackland type. Rucks a bit but club will be hoping he improves around the ground so he can be a option up forward. Meesen is your normal ruckmen but at 199cm wil struggle against the taller more athletic Cox Sandilands and co.
If were including 24 year olds then Eagles young list would be
Judd Kerr Butler Waters Nicoski Lynch Hansen Staker Graham Armstrong Hurn B.Jones LeCras Morton Priddis Rosa Sampi Selwood Seaby not including our draftees of last year or players yet to debut. Can we see the difference yet
The talent gap between Judd and the rest is quite extraordinary. Looks like the Weagles Judd one-man-game plan is set to continue into 2007. When you have to include players like Seaby, Selwood, Jones, Graham and Lynch into a list discussing "talent" you know you're in a spot of trouble.
