Adelaide Crows are in trouble overall going forward

[Freomaniac]

I found this thread funny to be honest after the crows had their 3 losses. This is going to be a long post but I dont care...

Ok 1st off lets look at the 3 sides the crows lost to:

Geelong: a Strong side at home at Skilled Stadium. They have only lost at that venue like twice in over 40 odd games in 8 seasons.
Port: Struggling from 2008-2012 then eventually got their act together, Got a good fitness coach and recruited well.
Swans: A side that won the 2012 flag and made a prelim last season. In recent years, they have been along with Port, one of the crows Bogey sides

Cats, Power and swans are not bottom 4 sides. Crows have a few winnable games coming up this month. As far as some of the players that have departed such as Gunston, Tippett, Bock and Davis...

Bock Had to leave and he was not going to turn down a $700-750,000 a year contract over 3 years when the most the crows could offer was $450,000 a year. I also thought that his time would of been up with guys like Talia and Davis being groomed to Replace him. Crows fans have the right to be angry as they only got a mid 2nd round pick as compo.

Gunston wanted to go back to Victoria despite the crows putting 2 good years of Development in him. For the record, The hawks traded picks 24, 46 and 64 to Get Jack Gunston, pick 53 and pick 71.

Davis was a bit of a surprise. Crows put 18 games and 3 years under him. GWS got him and Crows got a 1st round pick. I can understand why GWS wanted him, they wanted a developed Key defender.

Tippett acted like he never wanted to stay at the crows. Still I found it strange that despite wanting to go back to his home state in Queensland, he chooses the swans.


As far as their squad is concerned, I dont think its as bad as some would think. From 2007-2011, Matt Rendell was a very good recruiting scout at the crows. This was the guy that persuaded the crows to get Dangerfield at pick 10 in 2007, Get Rory Sloane in pick 44 of the 2008 draft, got Jared Petrenko in a rookie draft, Traded Pick 31 for Josh Jenkins and pick 41, Traded Jono Griffin for pick 61 which they got Jarryd Lyons.


But having a close analysis of their 22....

Backline: Brent Reilly and Ben Rutten are at the end of their careers Reilly is replaceable but losing Rutten will leave a big hole to fill. Fortunately, the crows have 3 key defenders aged 22 that are fighting for that spot in Sam Shaw, Luke Thompson and Kyle hartigan.

Midfield: Their biggest strength. The have guys like Dangerfield, Sloane, Douglas and Scott Thompson. Sadly Scott Thompson is also at the end of his career as well.

Forward line: In 2012 the crows had Tippett, Walker, Callian, Porplyzia and Petrenko. Tippet has left, Walker did his knee, Callinan has retired and Petrenko is struggling. Jenkins was recruited in case Tippet left. As good as Porps is, he is injury prone. They still have Tom Lynch and Lewis Johnston though.

 

[TheFVK]

I'm amazed that such a rich club could lose so many key players.

Thing is they're not a rich club- not anymore. In the past 10 years they've gone from the powerhouse of the comp to reporting a loss of $2million last year and running mid-table for revenue and football department expenditure. Financially they are an absolute shell of their former selves.

But what's crazy is that for 10 years Crows' fans haven't cared.* There's been zero motivation to change the crippling football structure here, where essentially the SANFL suck the clubs dry to finance their unsustainable local competition, because at least they're doing better than Port. All the while their club has atrophied to the sickly state it now finds itself in and the illness has spread onfield.




*Excludes bigfooty Crows' fans who have been onto this since Tippetgate

 

[Air_Chester]

They've lost to two preliminary finalists and a semi finalist. That's pretty strong opposition. The manner of the losses (and margin) is pretty simple: they've only got 3 quarter fitness. Who's to say they won't be up to scratch in a month?

I think the panic stations people are heading to in this thread are a bit much. They have issues, sure, but the one that's cost them those three games is not only manageable, but fixable. They've just set themselves back a bit is all. If they can make it through round seven with 3 wins, I think they'll be fine and still slide into the lower half of the 8.

That said, maybe instead of mocking Port for going overseas for heat training next year they should just go with them instead. Might learn a thing or two.


Also going into the game yesterday, the Swans were the talk of the town, they were cooked, they were shot, over the hill... And then they won by ten goals. The media has infected everyone with knee jerk reaction overdrive.

 

[mattymac]

Adelaide might not survive in the AFL. Going to struggle for many years simple as that.

Calm your ****. Jesus.

 

[manboob]

Is Dangerfield really that good? He does a couple of things every game that are mindblowing and probably no one else in the competition can equal. For the other 98 % of the game he's pretty quiet though ?

He gets ZERO support from his team makes, no blocks, no tackles, no nothing.

 

[raman]

**** me, how embarrassing is that?

I didn't hate it. I don't think it's embarrassing so much as just kind of dull and obvious. It kinda works on its own modest terms because the Adelaide Oval PA is so phenomenal.

 

[Nelso]

Bullshit. Dangerfield, Smith, McKay, Jaensch, Jenkins, are all bloody quick. Dangerfield is obvious, Smith ran down Jetta today, Jenkins is the quickest at the club, McKay is close to leading running bounces in the AFL. Geez port flogs are insufferable now that they have won a few games and we've lost a few.

Someone is angry! Don't shoot the messenger.

Blame Triggy and Smart for running your club into the ground.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Someone is angry! Don't shoot the messenger.

Blame Triggy and Smart for running your club into the ground.

Needs more Chapman..

 

[Gough]

I'll word this carefully, but I think the Dean Bailey tragedy has been a big factor too. My understanding is that he provided a lot of tactical support and counselling to Sanderson. The loss of a senior assistant, particularly in such terrible circumstances can't have helped and may go some way to explaining a seemingly poor game plan.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Thing is they're not a rich club- not anymore. In the past 10 years they've gone from the powerhouse of the comp to reporting a loss of $2million last year and running mid-table for revenue and football department expenditure. Financially they are an absolute shell of their former selves.

But what's crazy is that for 10 years Crows' fans haven't cared.* There's been zero motivation to change the crippling football structure here, where essentially the SANFL suck the clubs dry to finance their unsustainable local competition, because at least they're doing better than Port. All the while their club has atrophied to the sickly state it now finds itself in and the illness has spread onfield.




*Excludes bigfooty Crows' fans who have been onto this since Tippetgate

It's an indictment on the administration that with essentially a whole state to draw on they cannot grow revenue or members.

The compliant media over there protecting each others self interests and not even acknowledging dissent just adds to a general feeling that nothing will change.

Must be so frustrating for supporters

 

[The Karma Bus]

I'll word this carefully, but I think the Dean Bailey tragedy has been a big factor too. My understanding is that he provided a lot of tactical support and counselling to Sanderson. The loss of a senior assistant, particularly in such terrible circumstances can't have helped and may go some way to explaining a seemingly poor game plan.

It sure has, I didn't want to mention it..
It's also the emotional toll, he was loved..

 

[legend166]

Probably guessed a few years back they would still have bock, davis, tippett and gunston for a start when doing list management

But I mean, they had to have known Tippett was leaving - the only reason he stayed originally is because because they promised to trade him later.

 

[The Karma Bus]

But I mean, they had to have known Tippett was leaving - the only reason he stayed originally is because because they promised to trade him later.

If he wanted to go though, why would he not just go then?
Why would the promise to go later make him stay, if he didn't want to stay?

The way I believe it happened was he wanted to go "home" which was Queensland at that stage, mainly because the money from Gold Coast entering was huge..
The Crows ended up getting their offer up quite high (it was legal, fitted under the cap) but not as high as GC still..

The Tippett's think well we stay in Adelaide on what is still excellent money and a chance to play finals or win a flag, or go to GC to get flogged for the first few years.. Let's stay for one more contract, receive close to GC cash, have a chance at success, then head home when GC are on the way up.. Which also explains the clause to be traded..

It shows a desire to want to go, but not right now.. And the reasons above explain it..

 

[skipper kelly]

It's got to hurt losing Tippett for nothing.

 

[The Karma Bus]

It's got to hurt losing Tippett for nothing.

Gunston was the bigger loss of the forwards..
I rated Tippett in 2009 when he looked ready to dominate the AFL, then he did SFA for the following years..

Since you're subtle trolling, it's got to hurt paying Tippett what you do for all of what, 12 games so far..

 

[PowerForGood]

Put Bock, Davis, Gunston and Tippett into that side and they will be travelling a lot better. Been pillaged by other clubs.

Worry trends occurring though.

Don't forget to take out who they got for them.

Bock - first round compensation pick - traded to Richmond for Richard Tambling?
Davis - first round compensation pick - traded to GWS for Luke Brown?
Gunston - pick 24 plus upgrade of 2 other picks - on traded through to Josh Jenkins, Sam Kerridge and Lewis Johnston
Tippett - loss of first and second round pick.

Admin and trade decisions to blame, if not more so than being "pillaged"

 

[skipper kelly]

Gunston was the bigger loss of the forwards..
I rated Tippett in 2009 when he looked ready to dominate the AFL, then he did SFA for the following years..

Since you're subtle trolling, it's got to hurt paying Tippett what you do for all of what, 12 games so far..

So it didn't hurt. Cool. Seems like it did though. Losing a great player for nothing has to hurt somewhere.

 

[PowerForGood]

I'll word this carefully, but I think the Dean Bailey tragedy has been a big factor too. My understanding is that he provided a lot of tactical support and counselling to Sanderson. The loss of a senior assistant, particularly in such terrible circumstances can't have helped and may go some way to explaining a seemingly poor game plan.

Well worded and due respect given.

We should not forget that Dean Bailey was a senior assistant to Sanderson last year when they were effectively out of finals contention by Round 18, masked by the Essendon* saga.

 

[The Karma Bus]

So it didn't hurt. Cool. Seems like it did though. Losing a great player for nothing has to hurt somewhere.

You have an interesting way of reading into things..
Comprehension not a strong point?

Gunston was the bigger loss of the forwards, it's not that hard to understand what bigger loss means..
Tippett of 2009, sure big loss..
Tippett of 2010-2012, meh..
The thing he gave us in those years was structure more than output..
And he beat up on poor teams or poor opponents..

If you think I'm just saying it because he left, why do I rate Gunston so high?
Because he is an actual true footballer and a gun..

 

[Del80659]

Gunston was the bigger loss of the forwards..
I rated Tippett in 2009 when he looked ready to dominate the AFL, then he did SFA for the following years..

Since you're subtle trolling, it's got to hurt paying Tippett what you do for all of what, 12 games so far..

dude how is he trolling? he said it's going to hurt losing tippet for nothing. which it will, losing a good player for nothing will hurt. you went off topic immediately and brought up gunston.

crows fans just don't take kindly to people talking about how much of a mess they're in...

 

[skipper kelly]

You have an interesting way of reading into things..
Comprehension not a strong point?

Gunston was the bigger loss of the forwards, it's not that hard to understand what bigger loss means..
Tippett of 2009, sure big loss..
Tippett of 2010-2012, meh..
The thing he gave us in those years was structure more than output..
And he beat up on poor teams or poor opponents..

If you think I'm just saying it because he left, why do I rate Gunston so high?
Because he is an actual true footballer and a gun..

"It's got to hurt losing Tippett for nothing". Not sure Gunston has anything to do with that comment.

 

[The Karma Bus]

dude how is he trolling? he said it's going to hurt losing tippet for nothing. which it will, losing a good player for nothing will hurt. you went off topic immediately and brought up gunston.

crows fans just don't take kindly to people talking about how much of a mess they're in...

Oh yes, I don't take kindly to it.. I only bring it up myself

If you can't see the dropping of a one liner in this thread like that from a Sydney supporter, after the bad blood between the 2 clubs and the constant throwing in our faces they did over taking Tippett for nothing....

The subtle troll..

 

[The Karma Bus]

"It's got to hurt losing Tippett for nothing". Not sure Gunston has anything to do with that comment.

He does because as I said, he was not the biggest loss or problem..
Gunston was a bigger loss as a forward than losing Tippett for nothing..
It's not that hard to understand when the thread is about what our problems are and what's hurt us the most..

 

[skipper kelly]

Oh yes, I don't take kindly to it.. I only bring it up myself

If you can't see the dropping of a one liner in this thread like that from a Sydney supporter, after the bad blood between the 2 clubs and the constant throwing in our faces they did over taking Tippett for nothing....

The subtle troll..

I've got no bad blood for Adelaide at all, so you are jumping at shadows. My only bad blood was that we could never beat you but now we can, so that has subsided.

It seems to me the bad blood is mostly a one way street. Clubs lose players all the time. When they lose them for nothing it's got to hurt.

 

[STFU Donnie]

Even worse, the club is too insular to change anything. All the people responsible for this mess still have their jobs. The administration is an old boys club. It's not much better with the coaching. Most of Sando's coaching panel was inherited from Craig's bad years. The AFC just keep making the same mistakes again and again and we're somehow supposed to expect different results.

We basically need an independent review and a complete clean out. I can live with Sando and Milburn keeping their jobs. Bickley, Camporeale & Clarke need to be moved on though.

Excellent post. And of course the real villain still has his job, viz. your photo.