Rumour Adelaide Crows camp

[dmc333]

LOOOOOOL

After the Crows lost successive games in the 2017 season, Betts says the training group reviewed game videos and claimed they had identified where the playing squad had lost these games. At fault was the way players had run through the supporters’ banner onto the ground, they said.

“Apparently, our facial expressions weren’t up to game mode,” Betts writes. The playing group was made to practise their facial expressions, he says.

Another mind-training technique Betts found concerning was intended to emphasise the players’ masculinity. The exercise involved the players forming a circle, making eye contact with one another, and screaming obscenities. Betts says elements of the program make him cringe in hindsight.

 

[dazzledavey36]

What do you expect from a trash club that's lead by Tex, Sloane and Mark Riccuito lol.

Just nuke the joint and be done with them for good.

 

[matthew_s]

Leaks to the media line up pretty well with the book excerpts. Hm.

just means Eddie is telling the truth...

 

[fs88]

What do you expect from a trash club that's lead by Tex, Sloane and Mark Riccuito lol.

Just nuke the joint and be done with them for good.

I hope their premiership drought is longer than the saints. We can also start a 'Days since Crows have won a final' tally.

 

[CrowToon]

Eddie Betts is lying? For what purpose?

Weird take. Not what I said nor my intent.

The newspapers decided is was fiscally prudent not to defend the legal action. It in no way proved what the papers said was not true And factual .

Spin it however you like. What I said is correct.

just means Eddie is telling the truth...

Sure. Not disputing that. But perceptions are individual.

 

[CrowToon]

1. Will Crows supporters apologise to McClure now?


2. Sad to know WorkSafe SA is a corrupt business. The rich get richer

Apologise for what? Didn't he or Caro start going on about people tied to trees and all the rest of it?

It just helps to illuminate what actually happened, not what a journalist chasing a headline wished had happened.

 

[matthew_s]

Apologise for what? Didn't he or Caro start going on about people tied to trees and all the rest of it?

It just helps to illuminate what actually happened, not what a journalist chasing a headline wished had happened.

West Coast should sign you up to defend the party boy era anytime it comes up.

 

[Beerfish]

It happened almost 5 years ago. Move on.

Heh

 

[Slartibartfast]

Apologise for what? Didn't he or Caro start going on about people tied to trees and all the rest of it?

It just helps to illuminate what actually happened, not what a journalist chasing a headline wished had happened.

Nothing the journalists said about the camp events were challenged in no way shape or form. You are the one trying to airbrush history.
The retraction was centred around the implication that the way Collective Minds treated the players was a deliberate act where they stated they acted in good faith. Thats all your hanging your hat on that nothing happened!!! That was the SOLE reason for the challenge and subsequent retraction.

Again, the facts of the events at the camp in the articles were never disputed.

Now lets see, what happened as a consequence of this camp where nothing happened
- massive slide down the ladder
-coach leaves the club
-most of the assistant coaches leave the club
-CEO gone
-Chairman gone
-Head of football gone
-alienation of playing group
-majority of indigenous players left the club

Nothing to to see here, everyone move along . Just another successful off season players camp!!!!

 

[Slartibartfast]

Spin it however you like. What I said is correct.

You are absolutely 100% wrong .

 

[Muddiemoose]

I genuinely think I experienced more trauma on my Year 9 camp but anyway. I remain whelmed.

Congrats legend

But at the end of the day it’s all relative and someone’s trauma and how it affected them can only be based on the individual

 

[Father Jack]

So the power stance thing was the tip of the iceberg, as that was the visible stupid but below the surface there was a whole a lot more stupid going on. I mean surely someone in the club should have realised that having the players look like idiots before the game was hardly a good idea, and then might have been inspired to investigate what else these clowns were up to, or had planned.

 

[CrowToon]

West Coast should sign you up to defend the party boy era anytime it comes up.

Have not tried to defend anything. The camp was a serious error of judgment. You are reaching.

Nothing the journalists said about the camp events were challenged in no way shape or form. You are the one trying to airbrush history.
The retraction was centred around the implication that the way Collective Minds treated the players was a deliberate act where they stated they acted in good faith. Thats all your hanging your hat on that nothing happened!!! That was the SOLE reason for the challenge and subsequent retraction.

Again, the facts of the events at the camp in the articles were never disputed.

Now lets see, what happened as a consequence of this camp where nothing happened
- massive slide down the ladder
-coach leaves the club
-most of the assistant coaches leave the club
-CEO gone
-Chairman gone
-Head of football gone
-alienation of playing group
-majority of indigenous players left the club

Nothing to to see here, everyone move along . Just another successful off season players camp!!!!

Where did I state nothing happened? I am on record as saying the camp was terrible. I am only interested in facts, not sensationalist journalism. Please stop putting words in my mouth or assuming my position based on the team I support.

You are absolutely 100% wrong .

As above, hard to state that when you have tried to invent my position for me.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Sure. Not disputing that. But perceptions are individual.

It's a fair point.

What some people find funny, others find offensive.
What some people find terrifying, others find exciting.
What some people find challenging, others find demoralising.

Etc. Etc.

I mean it could well be true that some players loved it, whilst others didn't.


But really, I think that's the whole point. The club needed to be aware of this. Clearly the people running the camp either weren't cognisant of the potential for vastly different interpretations of what they were doing, or didn't care.

Either way, that's a massive f**K up. And really, that's the crux of the matter.

 

[Vikingnz]

Spin it however you like. What I said is correct.

Bold of you to accuse other people of trying to put a spin on this..

 

[Bluelegs]

It's pretty remarkable how experienced administrators and professionals can buy into the most insane quackery.

 

[Gough]

It's pretty remarkable how experienced administrators and professionals can buy into the most insane quackery.

Ricciuto lost nearly 200k because someone told him putting a pill in his petrol tank would do wonders for his car's performance so it's not like he doesn't have form.

 

[Bluelegs]

Ricciuto lost nearly 200k because someone told him putting a pill in his petrol tank would do wonders for his car's performance so it's not like he doesn't have form.

I suppose the other part to my post is that just cause you're good at footy doesn't mean you have the skills to help run a 250+ person organisation.

 

[CrowToon]

It's a fair point.

What some people find funny, others find offensive.
What some people find terrifying, others find exciting.
What some people find challenging, others find demoralising.

Etc. Etc.

I mean it could well be true that some players loved it, whilst others didn't.


But really, I think that's the whole point. The club needed to be aware of this. Clearly the people running the camp either weren't cognisant of the potential for vastly different interpretations of what they were doing, or didn't care.

Either way, that's a massive f**K up. And really, that's the crux of the matter.

Correct, some people like being pushed, others don't. Some people get inspired by a softly delivered speech charged with emotion, others like it screamed in their face. Everyone has differing levels of resilience and motivation. The club and those they hired needed to have been far more proactive in understanding and meeting those needs. Extra care above that should also have been afforded to considerations of culture.

What is most important from there is that lessons were learned. The media seem to want their pound of blood and to further their own careers off the back of sensationalist journalism and being offended on someone else's behalf.

 

[CrowToon]

Bold of you to accuse other people of trying to put a spin on this..

If I have said anything incorrect I am happy to have that conversation. I will not tolerate words being placed in my mouth though.

 

[YouBeauty]

Lol why wouldn't you spend time on your skills, ball transition and gameplan. Instead, in a dark bus with the tigers song playing. LOL bunch of idiots.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

It's pretty remarkable how experienced administrators and professionals can buy into the most insane quackery.

Absolutely baffling. You have to wonder how if happens.

 

[dangerwood]

It's a fair point.

What some people find funny, others find offensive.
What some people find terrifying, others find exciting.
What some people find challenging, others find demoralising.

Etc. Etc.

I mean it could well be true that some players loved it, whilst others didn't.


But really, I think that's the whole point. The club needed to be aware of this. Clearly the people running the camp either weren't cognisant of the potential for vastly different interpretations of what they were doing, or didn't care.

Either way, that's a massive f**K up. And really, that's the crux of the matter.

Spot on. Whatever happened and how ever people experienced it, it was a polarising event that segregated a team rather than brought them together.

The methods/details, right or wrong, it was not the right activity for that group and thus is a failure.

 

[dangerwood]

Correct, some people like being pushed, others don't. Some people get inspired by a softly delivered speech charged with emotion, others like it screamed in their face. Everyone has differing levels of resilience and motivation. The club and those they hired needed to have been far more proactive in understanding and meeting those needs. Extra care above that should also have been afforded to considerations of culture.

What is most important from there is that lessons were learned. The media seem to want their pound of blood and to further their own careers off the back of sensationalist journalism and being offended on someone else's behalf.

No doubt media personnel want to further careers but the story and ammo is there to do so.

As a neutral supporter I do want a bit of blood because I feel there has been a bit of a cover up and smoke and mirrors along the way. There was an element of "nothing to see here" from the club whilst some journalists (sensationalist or not) were saying "no there is something to see here, players weren't happy".

Eddie's book, whilst it's his own personal experience, confirms there were some concerns with what happened.

If things had of been more upfront, acknowledgement made of there being issues, then this would have been over years ago. Instead we've had one side saying there's nothing in it and very few details about what actually occurred. There's a sense of injustice about it all and that's why the media, and other neutral supporters are invested in the matter.

 

[woopy doo]

Crows should be expelled from comp and face massive sanctions for this