Adelaide implementing Hawks gameplan

[Mental Magpie]

Interesting. Tod Viney has gone from Hawk's assistant coach to Adelaide's assistant coaching role. Apparently Hawks gameplan is being applied in it's entirety.
Let's see how we go against it.

 

[Optimax]

Adelaide has played a zone/flood since Craig took over

hawthorn's was so effective as they had harder bodies then us and big strong forwards to kick too when they had it


It was never the actual zone that ****ed us but the players that implemented it. Melbourne, richmond, st.kilda, essendon etc all implented zones more or less

Adelaides wont be as effective as they have injury concerns with seasoned midfielders and then young and or returning forwards

 

[Mental Magpie]

We'll account for them. It will be a battle. But we'll get up.

 

[mattys123]

OH NO, watch out for "Buddy" Hentschel and Nathan "Hodgey" Bock, they might tear the game apart.

Anything Sam Newman says in regards to us has to be taken with a grain of salt. His mate is probably KG Cunnigham, one of the worst and most inaccurate media personalities going around.

If they beat us, it wont be Todd Viney, it will be because we played like shit.

And honestly, Todd Viney was the only one given the flick from a premiership coaching staff, I wouldnt be too worried about the ex tennis coach.

 

[-CG-]

Interesting. Tod Viney has gone from Hawk's assistant coach to Adelaide's assistant coaching role. Apparently Hawks gameplan is being applied in it's entirety.
Let's see how we go against it.

Right......

Where was this bit of info from, The Footy Show?

 

[smiddaz123]

If only it were that easy.

Nathan! Play like Sam Mitchell!
Graham! Luke Hodge for you!
Kurt, you'll be playing like Buddy Franklin.

Too easy fellas!

 

[King Woodie]

People are taking the p!ss with this, but it is a little more serious than that.

We traditionally struggle with teams that play the zone, as with our man-on-man gameplan (which we are one of the best team in the comp at) we often get overcrowded in our forwardline, and leave our guys one-out in theirs. If we don't change our game plan instantly, then the more teams that play this way, the worse it is for us.

This will need to be the dawn of Mick's change in style of play. If he does not adapt to current strategies, he / we will not go far. I look forward to seeing Thomas behind the ball, see half backs like Cox and Goldy given more license to run, and see more help for Brown and Presti against their men. It was painful watching Carlton times two and St Kilda in the final where we just needed to fill space from Fev / Reiwoldt, and we just didn't... And I missed both Hawthorn games, but I suspect it would have been the same...

 

[relapse]

OH NO, watch out for "Buddy" Hentschel and Nathan "Hodgey" Bock, they might tear the game apart.

Anything Sam Newman says in regards to us has to be taken with a grain of salt. His mate is probably KG Cunnigham, one of the worst and most inaccurate media personalities going around.

If they beat us, it wont be Todd Viney, it will be because we played like shit.

And honestly, Todd Viney was the only one given the flick from a premiership coaching staff, I wouldnt be too worried about the ex tennis coach.

He wasnt given the flick, the Crows actively recruited him last season.

 

[DWil6]

He wasnt given the flick, the Crows actively recruited him last season.

Eh? You lost me at your avatar!

 

[Snag Breac]

Eh? You lost me at your avatar!

Me too.

 

[DWil6]

Ahh Snag. Good to have you back. Don't be turning into Crazy Snag any more, ya hear?

 

[Mental Magpie]

Adelaide has played a zone/flood since Craig took over

hawthorn's was so effective as they had harder bodies then us and big strong forwards to kick too when they had it


It was never the actual zone that ****ed us but the players that implemented it. Melbourne, richmond, st.kilda, essendon etc all implented zones more or less

Adelaides wont be as effective as they have injury concerns with seasoned midfielders and then young and or returning forwards

Opti. Rolling zone is very different to flooding.
Crawf reckons it took the Hawks 3 years to master it.

 

[twentydollarnote]

Adelaide has played a zone/flood since Craig took over

hawthorn's was so effective as they had harder bodies then us and big strong forwards to kick too when they had it


It was never the actual zone that ****ed us but the players that implemented it. Melbourne, richmond, st.kilda, essendon etc all implented zones more or less

Adelaides wont be as effective as they have injury concerns with seasoned midfielders and then young and or returning forwards

Exactly the hawks openly admit they took the crows game plan and tried to improve it. Obviously it makes it just a bit easier having a couple of guns up forward to implement it too.

 

[twentydollarnote]

Interesting. Tod Viney has gone from Hawk's assistant coach to Adelaide's assistant coaching role. Apparently Hawks gameplan is being applied in it's entirety.
Let's see how we go against it.

where did you hear this? Going on what i've seen preseason our gameplan appears to be the opposite, trying to combat the zone. We go down the flanks much more than we used to now.

 

[Mental Magpie]

Heard it on the Footy Show last night.

 

[Mental Magpie]

In today's paper as well.

 

[spartan-magpie]

either way mental, we are gonna 3ekoliasi them... im revising my prediction to 53 points... didak B.O.G!

 

[big78sam]

Exactly the hawks openly admit they took the crows game plan and tried to improve it. Obviously it makes it just a bit easier having a couple of guns up forward to implement it too.

Adelaide have implemented a zone for quite a few years. I heard Sam Mitchell point this out a few days ago in an interview. (IMO different to a flood. A flood is just pushing players deep, zoning is spreading your players evenly over the field to try and cover as much ground as possible. 16 of the 18 players standing within 60 or 70 meters of your own goal is not a zone).

Hawthorn were successful at this which is why it gets so much press. When Adelaide first started this and had some success, at least making prelims, there was a bit of noise about it. You might remember Richmond beating us at the dome 2 or 3 years ago by chipping the ball around in the back half most of the game in an effort to combat the zone. Had we won a flag in those years it would have been talked about more. (We couldn't beat West Coast and had the wood over Sydney. Unfortunately we kept running into WC and never played Sydney in finals.)

We didn't, and still don't unless the kids really step up, have enough class in our list, especially up forward to be really successful. The gameplan and discipline seems to get us enough wins to make the 8 but nothing more.

FWIW, I think Collingwood will win quite comfortably on Saturday.

 

[Sloth]

People are taking the p!ss with this, but it is a little more serious than that.

We traditionally struggle with teams that play the zone, as with our man-on-man gameplan (which we are one of the best team in the comp at) we often get overcrowded in our forwardline, and leave our guys one-out in theirs. If we don't change our game plan instantly, then the more teams that play this way, the worse it is for us.

This will need to be the dawn of Mick's change in style of play. If he does not adapt to current strategies, he / we will not go far. I look forward to seeing Thomas behind the ball, see half backs like Cox and Goldy given more license to run, and see more help for Brown and Presti against their men. It was painful watching Carlton times two and St Kilda in the final where we just needed to fill space from Fev / Reiwoldt, and we just didn't... And I missed both Hawthorn games, but I suspect it would have been the same...

Didn't Hirdy outline in the paper how to beat this? He even dubbed one version 'The collingwood Method'

 

[daicos21]

Our normal,indirect build up gives the oposition all the time in the world to set up zone. And if they are well drilled at it we most likely will have problems.

 

[FuManchu]

Didn't Hirdy outline in the paper how to beat this? He even dubbed one version 'The collingwood Method'

also known as the valium effect.

The opposition flood back thru the middle and sit there and wait and wait and wait for us to come down the flanks, bit by bit.

 

[jonesy86]

Do the crows have Roughead and Franklin up forward?

 

[FuManchu]

Do the crows have Roughead and Franklin up forward?

I aint too fussed about the crows game plan either. They have had a zone/flood game plan for years. hell, most sides have had to either endure it or use it for years. Hawthorn's is only different in that their flood has a perimeter around the ball and moves in relation to where the ball is, a flood is back into a specific field area. Crowded is crowded, no matter where it is on the ground. It boils down to the personnel being able to effectively implement any zone or flood. As you infer;Hawthorn's personnel are infinitely better than Adelaide's

Adelaide are on the slide this year, we should knock them off regardless of any game plan they choose.

 

[KissStephanie]

Interesting. Tod Viney has gone from Hawk's assistant coach to Adelaide's assistant coaching role.

Adelaide are well-drilled for sure, and I'm sure they will try to implement the zone, but they have been playing flooding type footy for a long time. They also don't have the onballers of Hawthorn, and although the Adelaide side looks okay on paper, they don't have the same forwards either. I read an article from Shane Crawford yesterday that stated that Adelaide could cause problems for Collingwood with this style, as Hawthorn did last year, but the article also stated that if there is one weak link, then it brings it all undone.

Therefore there are not any guarantees of success if a team chooses to do this, and I have confidence that Collingwood have worked hard on countering it. I expect Collingwood to use the corridor and handball more against teams that use these tactics. The skill level at Collingwood seems to have improved, with more improvement to come, and I expect them to use different styles depending on the opposition.

 

[Mental Magpie]

either way mental, we are gonna 3ekoliasi them... im revising my prediction to 53 points... didak B.O.G!

Sto kolo!

GO PIES!