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The way Essendon carry themselfs in trade week is the same way the club acts in every other thing they do.
They are just an arrogant club.
Not aiming this at Dons supporters on BF, but the way the club handled the drugs issue, they way Hird acted, the way they acted with the fill in players preseason, and the way they acted with Woosha is just the way the club is.
 

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Dero said:
Are you being a smart-arse or do you not understand what I am getting at?
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The latter. Are you asking whether it would be a worse deal for you guys if you were to offer up Carlisle and 23 for 5 than us paying 12 for Lee, 24 and 43? Or whether us accepting Carlisle and 23 for 5 would be a worse deal for us than the Lee one?
 
aussierulesrules said:
The latter. Are you asking whether it would be a worse deal for you guys if you were to offer up Carlisle and 23 for 5 than us paying 12 for Lee, 24 and 43? Or whether us accepting Carlisle and 23 for 5 would be a worse deal for us than the Lee one?
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I am trying to get a sense of where you stand on the proposed Carlisle deal in comparison to the completed deal that you did for Lee not that long ago. In other words, if you are prepared to do a deal like that for Lee, do you think Carlisle and 23 for pick 5 is fair?
 
Dero said:
I am trying to get a sense of where you stand on the proposed Carlisle deal in comparison to the completed deal that you did for Lee not that long ago. In other words, if you are prepared to do a deal like that for Lee, do you think Carlisle and 23 for pick 5 is fair?
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The Tom Lee deal was one of 2 done in order to bring half a dozen warm bodies through the door, it's the type of deal the Bombers should be considering, absolutely.
 
Falchoon said:
The Tom Lee deal was one of 2 done in order to bring half a dozen warm bodies through the door, it's the type of deal the Bombers should be considering, absolutely.
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Ok :rolleyes:
Tom Lee a big part of your plans then?
 
Carlisle is worth basically the same as Lachie Henderson, Lachie is a 12-15 value.. anything under that is overs and the same goes with Carlisle. You also then need to subtract a % for the WADA risk you take on with Carlisle and something 15-20 seems fair value.

But Essendon are notorious for over value there own players and will prob take Carlisle walking to the PSD for them to wake up to reality.
 

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Dero said:
I am trying to get a sense of where you stand on the proposed Carlisle deal in comparison to the completed deal that you did for Lee not that long ago. In other words, if you are prepared to do a deal like that for Lee, do you think Carlisle and 23 for pick 5 is fair?
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One really has nothing to do with the other. As this one looks to be, that is really looking like a shit draft after the top handful and Lee was coming off a very good season where at 21yo he kicked 70 goals in 16 games in WAFL and Foxtel Cup footy (including bags of goals in big games/finals), and he was apparently very highly rated by some, such as Shifter Sheahan, who had him at 11 in his mock draft.

Lee then looked very good in the latter part of his first season with us (for a stretch of games there he was ranked no.1 in the comp for retaining the balls that were kicked to him inside F50 and his kicking for goal was sublime), but he had multiple injuries that year and he came to us with two shoulders that needed reconstructing and those two operations were done at the end of that first season and he had complications from those operations throughout last season and it basically became a write-off year for him.

This year he got switched to the backline early to get his form back and because we had so many forward options and he started to play consistently very good footy there, but it seems like Richo had put a line through him after his poor showings last year (when he was playing with bung shoulders and was way out of form) and we didn't even give him a single game this year to see what he'd be like at AFL level down back, despite how well he was playing there in the VFL. He then sustained a season-ending injury and missed the last couple of months, which was a blow to Sandy at least, because he was playing very good footy there.

I for one was really disappointed we didn't give him a go this year, as I really liked a lot of what I saw from him in his first year and we certainly could have done with his kicking coming out of defence. I really scratch my head as to why we didn't give him a single go. Hard to displace the likes of Dempster, Fisher and Roberton though I guess and I think Richo really likes to have those versatile types who can play tall and small down back and Lee isn't probably nimble enough to play on the "smalls". Someone else probably would have played him, but Richo just doesn't seem to like/rate him.

So to this point you'd have to say that Lee's been a bust, but had he not had so many injuries it could have been a whole different story, if his form at AFL level at the end of his first year is anything to go by. Had he just been able to continue on like that, injury-free, he probably would have become a key part of our forward line and we might not have gotten Membrey, but now you'd have to wonder if he'll ever get back in, especially if we land Carlisle.

Long story short, two wrongs don't make a right, so if we made a mistake there I don't see how making another one and paying too much here would be any better than paying too much there.
 
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aussierulesrules said:
One really has nothing to do with the other. As this one looks to be, that is really looking like a shit draft after the top handful and Lee was coming off a very good season where at 21yo he kicked 70 goals in WAFL and Foxtel Cup footy (including bags of goals in big games/finals), and he was apparently very highly rated by some, such as Shifter Sheahan, who had him at 11 in his mock draft.

Lee then looked very good in the latter part of his first season with us (for a stretch of games there he was ranked no.1 in the comp for retaining the balls that were kicked to him inside F50 and his kicking for goal was sublime), but he had multiple injuries that year and came to us with two shoulders that needed reconstructing and those two operations were done at the end of that first season and he had complications from those operations throughout last season and it basically became a write-off year for him.

This year he got switched to the backline to get his form back and because we had so many forward options and he started to play consistently very good footy there, but it seems like Richo had put a line through him after his poor showings last year (when he was playing with bung shoulders and was way out of form) and we didn't even give him a single game this year to see what he'd be like at AFL level down back, despite how well he was playing there in the VFL. He then sustained a season-ending injury and missed the last couple of months, which was a blow to Sandy at least, because he was playing very good footy there.

I for one was really disappointed we didn't give him a go this year, as I really liked a lot of what I saw from him in his first year and we certainly could have done with his kicking coming out of defence. I really scratch my head as to why we didn't give him a single go. Hard to displace the likes of Dempster, Fisher and Roberton though I guess and I think Richo really likes to have those versatile types who can play tall and small down back and Lee isn't probably nimble enough to play on the "smalls". Someone else probably would have played him, but Richo just doesn't seem to like him.

So to this point you'd have to say that Lee's been a bust, but had he not had so many injuries it could have been a whole different story, if his form at AFL level at the end of his first year is anything to go by. Had he just been able to continue on like that, injury-free, he probably would have become a key part of our forward line and we might not have gotten Membrey, but now you'd have to wonder if he'll ever get back in, especially if we land Carlisle.

Long story short, two wrongs don't make a right, so if we made a mistake there I don't see how making another one and paying too much here would be any better than paying too much there.
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Actually, it is quite relevant. Remember, this thread is about Essendon being hard to deal with, right? Based on past deals for a similar style player who in my opinion is not in the seem league as Carlisle (and I am sure you will agree with that, surely!), you gave up a fair bit. It is then not unreasonable to expect a reasonable deal to be struck for a player who is much better is it not?
 
ItsAllAboutMe said:
Carlisle is worth basically the same as Lachie Henderson, Lachie is a 12-15 value.. anything under that is overs and the same goes with Carlisle. You also then need to subtract a % for the WADA risk you take on with Carlisle and something 15-20 seems fair value.

But Essendon are notorious for over value there own players and will prob take Carlisle walking to the PSD for them to wake up to reality.
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I'd rather see him walk to your mob than see him go to the Saints for a ridiculous pick.
 
Pick 9's more than fair, Carlton basically were/are getting the same for Henderson and Carlisles a superior much younger player who wont be at his 3rd club

I thought Brisbane would get compensated after our 2nd round pick for Leuy like S.Selwood, however like west coast have been disappointed. Unfort5unatly we made the mistake of giving 2nd rounders away last year for old injury prone types that wont happen again especially when their is plenty of over supply of rucks on the market. Brisbane will accept it with a bitter heart.
 
Dero said:
Actually, it is quite relevant. Remember, this thread is about Essendon being hard to deal with, right? Based on past deals for a similar style player who in my opinion is not in the seem league as Carlisle (and I am sure you will agree with that, surely!), you gave up a fair bit. It is then not unreasonable to expect a reasonable deal to be struck for a player who is much better is it not?
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Correct and like I said, what we gave up for Lee was the equivalent of pick 61, going by the AFL's new points per draft pick system and I'm going to suggest that we'll end up giving you a hell of a lot more than pick 61 for Carlisle (probably a pick like 13), so I'm not sure what the relevance is. No-one is suggesting that we'll give you something like 61 for Jake.
 
Enclosed_Animal said:
The only update is it looks like we are going to mediation.

Apparently this is because St.Kilda are being unreasonable and not giving what is 'fair value'

Just like in 2014, when Essendon had to go to mediation when Port were being 'unreasonable' and not giving what is 'fair value' for Ryder

Just like in 2013, when Essendon had to go to mediation when the Bulldogs were being 'unreasonable' and not giving what is 'fair value' for Crameri

Just like in 2011, when Essendon had to go to mediation when GC were being 'unreasonable' over Essendon's negotiations for Caddy

But this is all a totally unexpected outcome
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Port stumped up an extra pick.

Crameri trade didn't require mediation.

One year after knocking back pick 19 and Hooker GC accepted pick 20 and 55 from Geelong. Unreasonable you said?
 

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DBAH0 said:
Gold Coast were always going to be after a top 10 pick for Caddy, considering he was pick 7. Hence why they asked for a straight swap I suppose. I don't think Hooker was seen as that talented back then, fair play to him now that he's developed into what he has.

19 + Hooker was never going to get the job done, the annoyance from other clubs etc. comes more from the asking for reconciliation / arbitration 45 mins. before the deadline, which made it appear they were trying to force Gold Coast into a deal that they didn't want.
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Yet just one year later they took picks 20 and 55. My my, what a terrible year young Joshua must have had.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
No they didn't. Higgins and Waite came in and you finished in exactly the same position as last year.

In fact, last year you won one more game.

Good recruiting? They didn't take you anywhere.
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At least their club has won a few finals in the last decade. Has it been an enjoyable time to follow Essendon after 2001?
 
Jade said:
You think your list is up to it?

It's a loaded question of course, because lets face it, most lists won't get there - but your guys have got to be the least impressive dual prelim finalists in recent memory.
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When your team actually makes it that far in a season, your little jibe may actually hurt a little.
 
BACCS said:
At least their club has won a few finals in the last decade. Has it been an enjoyable time to follow Essendon after 2001?
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After 40+ years of support ive learnt to take the good with the bad. Going through a crap patch now but it will turn again
 
Dave said:
Yet just one year later they took picks 20 and 55. My my, what a terrible year young Joshua must have had.
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played more than two games, and all of a sudden keeping pick 19 and Hurley/Hooker became a dodged bullet. Kid is good. Not worth either AA defender, let alone with a first rd pick bundled up.
 
Enclosed_Animal said:
The only update is it looks like we are going to mediation.

Apparently this is because St.Kilda are being unreasonable and not giving what is 'fair value'

Just like in 2014, when Essendon had to go to mediation when Port were being 'unreasonable' and not giving what is 'fair value' for Ryder

Just like in 2013, when Essendon had to go to mediation when the Bulldogs were being 'unreasonable' and not giving what is 'fair value' for Crameri

Just like in 2011, when Essendon had to go to mediation when GC were being 'unreasonable' over Essendon's negotiations for Caddy

But this is all a totally unexpected outcome
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it shouldn't have been. You came shopping for a talent that is worth a 1st rd pick with only pick 5 in hand...then didn't want to hand it over.
 
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