AEW All Out, Sunday 8th September 2024, 10am AEST (Zero Hour 8:30am AEST)

[mickelboy182]

Let's keep it civil fellas.

I am quickly remembering why I stopped posting here, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

 

[kistan]

Loved the show. The main event was a bit plodding. But was probably great live.

 

[mickelboy182]

The point is that you can't really gimmick a chair, unless you make it out of plastic (or maybe chip board) and it shatters everywhere.

It doesn't really matter what the seat part/"hitting part" is made of, Newton's 3rd Law of Motion still applies, and it still creates an unsafe impact to the head and neck. Some materials will have slightly more give, but it's still nowhere near enough to make it safe or to defend it.

Don't make me start explaining physics on a Sunday afternoon in reference to a wrestling show!

You're talking to an engineer so I don't need a physics lecture either, believe me. To humour your citation of Newton's 3rd law, my contention is that the force exerted by the gimmicked chair is completely negligent...

We are going to have to agree to disagree here, we are poles apart.

 

[kistan]

The point is that you can't really gimmick a chair, unless you make it out of plastic (or maybe chip board) and it shatters everywhere.

It doesn't really matter what the seat part/"hitting part" is made of, Newton's 3rd Law of Motion still applies, and it still creates an unsafe impact to the head and neck. Some materials will have slightly more give, but it's still nowhere near enough to make it safe or to defend it. (The thin steel itself has a degree of give to it, we still saw a spate of CTE and wrestlers dying in their 40s.)

Don't make me start explaining physics on a Sunday afternoon in reference to a wrestling show!

You could make it aluminium...

 

[mickelboy182]

So where does the force go if the chair doesn't break? It can't disappear Mr Engineer.

Watch it again? The entire middle section of the chair folds completely back - probably filed off hinges/pins.

Softer material, no resistance = very minimal force being exerted on the subject. Granted, it's not zero, but neither is a punch, superkick or any other move impacting the head.

 

[Ry009]

I'm a fan of MMA, and I kinda take the same approach to watching AEW. While I don't agree with nor the biggest fan of the full on hardcore stuff - these guys are grown adults who are making a conscious decision to push the boundaries.

FWIW felt more uncomfortable with the Danielson plastic bag spot.

The funny thing is, the wrestling is great enough in AEW that it really doesn't need to push the boundaries that often.

Wish Tony got the view was less as more too as far as that stuff was concerned.

..........


Anyway....... Ospreay and PAC. Ospreay goes without saying, but kinda forget how good PAC is too. Great that guys like him, Will and Okada mixing it up.

Hopefully Kenny is back sometime too in the next few months as well providing his health is all good. Lot of great match ups still to look forward to.

 

[mickelboy182]

I'll put the discussion on hold for now, and I definitely will go back and watch that spot again.

I really want to watch Stat vs Willow again, I kind of thought that was match of the night!

Hey look, something we can agree upon.

 

[Planet14]

I'll put the discussion on hold for now, and I definitely will go back and watch that spot again.

I really want to watch Stat vs Willow again, I kind of thought that was match of the night!

Seriously, has anyone been in a bigger death spot (following Ospreay / PAC) and responded better? Full credit to both.

 

[Colonial]

I am quickly remembering why I stopped posting here, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

This

 

[Colonial]

The media scrum today may be newsworthy for its complete lack of newsworthiness.

Instead of an hour long scrum featuring promos and kayfabe interviews with talent, followed by a long TK Q&A, we got talking heads filling time, TK saying it'll be short and being the only one to speak, and making some vague allusions to everyone not being well.

Either there's some big injuries coming out of the show, or something has happened backstage during/after the show.

 

[brutus76]

Plastic bag spot is re-enacting Terry Funk v Ric Flair circa 1988

 

[brutus76]

I hope Bryan goes through all his former stablemates
Yuta first who almost has it won then hesitates and it costs him
Then PAC in a classic where one too many high risk moves sees him tap
Then Mox in a war
Then Claudio in a wrestling classic as he deserves the title

 

[JOELY]

I'd be pleasantly surprised if he has the title by then, so i'd take any of those. Any Bryan match tbh.

 

[Nicho50]

Sounds like it was a good PPV with great wrestling. The gore isn’t going to be for everyone and the plastic bag over someone’s head is probably taking things a bit to far. Like there’s hurting people and then there is something that in real life would be attempted murder in this day and age there’s got to be some line that you push but probably don’t go over.

It’s something that would have fit in during the attitude eta but now not a great look at all.

 

[JOELY]

Yeah, everyone has a personal line, and that's cool. For mine, it actually made me feel uncomfortable. For a millisecond i actually thought it was legit. And for those reasons i absolutely loved it. Reminded me of a really old school hate angle, even predating the attitude era.

I think my broad thoughts on AEW are they need to continue to differentiate themselves from the competition wherever possible. There are similarities that are necessary in televised wrestling that you can't avoid, buy WWE are massively popular and will probably always be, so it's no point trying to match them at their own game.

You always need to ask yourself if you're AEW, what do we do that WWE can't and won't do? There was an absolute shitload of stuff like today, from the the bag angle to Ospreay and PAC. That's one of the reasons this show felt so great, imo.

 

[burge13]

The cinderblock stuff was worse than the bag wasn't it? At least as far as actual risk goes. The stabbing with the wood was a worse look too IMO

Ospray/PAC was really good. Skipped Statlander but sounds like I shouldn't have? Didn't care for the tag match tbh, main event good but mental.

 

[Cleavy]

I hope Bryan goes through all his former stablemates
Yuta first who almost has it won then hesitates and it costs him
Then PAC in a classic where one too many high risk moves sees him tap
Then Mox in a war
Then Claudio in a wrestling classic as he deserves the title

Mox is the endgame.

 

[fuey]

The BCC turn was heartbreaking too, great use of Yuta to sell it.

Obviously was expecting Mox to do something, but Claudio was a bit of a shock. PAC was teetering reagrdless, so no surprise there. Crowd reaction was great too! The scene makes me think of a movie or TV show, not an exact scenario, but very reminiscent of something else.

Feelings on the show pretty much on par with the rest of the world! PAC/Ospreay amazing, how in sync are they with their reverse huracanranas? So smooth, a thing of beauty.

So impressed with Willow/Stat too, phenomenal effort from both,

 

[fuey]

Yeah, everyone has a personal line, and that's cool. For mine, it actually made me feel uncomfortable. For a millisecond i actually thought it was legit. And for those reasons i absolutely loved it. Reminded me of a really old school hate angle, even predating the attitude era.

Here's the thing, these guys won't last long if they don't look after eachother in these spots. These spots wouldn't even happen without trust and the recipients safety being paramount. There's stunt co-ordinators, doctors, all experts in their field with their input. They practice undoubtedly to know. This is not shit done off the cuff.

 

[Cleavy]

I hope Ricochet can live up to Ospreay's lofty standards whenever they are finally doing the match. (I guess WrestleDream maybe?)

 

[RossFC]

 

[RossFC]

Pre-show completely skippable. Tag title match ok.

Post-MJF/Garcia match when Garcia did the piledriver off the ropes was cool.

PAC/Ospreay and the Statlander/Willow street fight both very good.

I see the Okada/Takeshita staredown and somehow that needs to be a New Japan Tokyo Dome main event.

The more I thought about it, it makes perfect sense to have Perry get a world title shot in Chicago, the whole arena would want him getting his head kicked in by Danielson.

Claudio and Mox turning on Danielson shocking, the bag over Danielson's head absolutely sickening. Interesting that Yuta is the only one not in on it. And Pac/Claudio/Yuta are still trios champs, so what happens there?

Main event was very unsettling, the last hour of this show got really sick and twisted.

 

[RossFC]

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

Are we happy with any of those for Brissie?

I’ll just be happy that Danielson makes it to Brisbane.

 

[Nicho50]

I’m all for them being different which I think they are in a lot of ways and that’s cool. No issue with the wrestling side and even the hardcore stuff it’s not everyone’s jam.

This might sound weird but I think putting people through tables and blocks, chair shots even the needle as gruesome as that can be you just say that’s wrestling. I think the bag on the head visually goes beyond that and was an extremely poor choice. Could have done that beat down differently but still as brutal and “heartbreaking” for BCC and Danielson fans.