List Mgmt. AFC - 2014 Drafting and Trading

[MRB37]

Lowden improves us without doubt.

He only needs to be an improvement on Graham or Smack - not Jacobs.

He clears that easily

Not only that, he can also backup Jenkins too as a ruck/forward swing should something bad happen to him.

 

[Mattrox]

Essendon got Giles for nothing, had we secured him we could have kept 10 and 31

True, but are your Jedi mind control powers better than Noble to force Giles to want to line up behind Sauce and play lots of SANFL?

 

[headache1]

Dont count out the guy wearing number 13

I'd love to see that, but Tex I think is always going to be more of the spiritual leader.

 

[spexau]

Reckon Sauce, Lowden and Jenkins can play in the same team without Pods?

 

[NikkiNoo]

Sydney, Hawthorn, Geelong trade in to suit needs because they have the framework and Elite talent. We don't have that.

I am sorry - but how can you think our top end talent is as good as Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong? These teams have all finished top 4 multiple times over the past 5 years. We haven't.

Throw in Mitch Morton, Matt Spangher, Kyle Cheney into our team from 2013/2014 and they will perform just as well as Petrenko, Johnston, et al.

So Sloane, Walker, Betts, Talia, Smith, Dangerfield are not elite talent? Name me a club that wouldn't accept any of those players?

A team is as good as a coach can get out of them and put the proper structure in place. You telling me that if Sando was coaching Hawthorn, Geelong or Sydney that they would have finished in the same places? Highly doubt that.

 

[NTRabbit]

Essendon got Giles for nothing, had we secured him we could have kept 10 and 31

Stupid thing to say really, because he was never going to come here and play SANFL all year behind Jacobs when there is a big opportunity to play AFL all year at Essendon. Doesn't matter what picks we had to trade to GWS.

Like I said, Giles doesn't care where he is, he only cares that he is playing - same reason he knocked us back last time.

 

[betterthanu]

It took the Swans about 12 months to get Buddy, these kind of deals do take time to plan and to implement a strategy to getting them.

GWS will want a kings ransom for JC.

Especially now they have lost Boyd. No Patton means Cameron will be the lone spearhead again and will stamp his name as one of the future greats. How we would ever get the currency to do a trade of that size i dont know. Watch the jungle drums grow louder the longer he doesn't sign. All the speculation will center around him going to the Pies imo.

 

[GROTTO]

Lets face it, if Walshy is in for the long haul being a top 8 team next year should be considered a successful year. An ideal scenario would be for us to make it to W2 of the finals. Lets not kid ourselves it is going to take time and a lot of work and preparation for us to be a top 4 team which may take a couple of years to achieve at least.

 

[AFC979810]

If they were into Sheed and knew he'd be there at 11 then it makes sense. But will Scharenberg or Aish air Freeman be better players than Sheed? I think they will be.

It raises an interesting notion as to whether forgoing 4 or 5 spots in round 1 to get a guy who's in your home state is worth it. Time will tell I suppose. Not that that's the case with our move from 10 to 14 as there'll be no South Aussie there.

The big thing is that Sheed is a perth boy. They knew they wanted him. They knew North had a father son. That Collingwood wouldnt take him at 6 nor 10. They took a small risk and got a big gain (#31). It was shrewd drafting. Very smart.

We are just losing 4 spots to regain what we 'lost' when acquiring players that arent best 22. Not shrewd. Stupid knee jerk reaction.

 

[GetInMyVanBerlo]

I don't think you have realised that you stumbled on an internet forum.

You're joking?

 

[NikkiNoo]

Stupid thing to say really, because he was never going to come here and play SANFL all year behind Jacobs when there is a big opportunity to play AFL all year at Essendon. Doesn't matter what picks we had to trade to GWS.

Like I said, Giles doesn't care where he is, he only cares that he is playing - same reason he knocked us back last time.

The fact that he still had to take a long time to consider that says a lot to me. If it was just as simple as wanting more playing time then he would have accepted the Essendon offer asap with no waiting, but instead he took a number of days to make up his mind. He knew he wasn't going to get that game time, but there was something about coming here that nearly swayed him. That is what is being missed in the discussion of "OMG he didn't pick us."

 

[GROTTO]

Especially now they have lost Boyd. No Patton means Cameron will be the lone spearhead again and will stamp his name as one of the future greats. How we would ever get the currency to do a trade of that size i dont know. Watch the jungle drums grow louder the longer he doesn't sign. All the speculation will center around him going to the Pies imo.

If the Pies dont land Danger, they will spend the dollars on Cameron. Im not sure we can afford to secure Cameron and keep Danger, Tex and Slaone all of next year. Dont even get me started with Aish, would cost us easily around $500 - $600k.

 

[headache1]

and how many games had sauce played b4 he came home open your eyes this kid lowden could be just as good

I like the addition of Lowden, but lets not go comparing him to Sauce. He played 13 games in the season prior to being traded to us, including a final where he belted Mumford.

 

[Wilko91]

I think considering we swapped for 59, we'll have at least one more delisting.

I'm thinking no upgrade for Charlie unless someone else is on the chopping block. We likely won't need to with Otten on the sidelines all next year. Charlie takes his spot on the main list. Upgrade him next year.

 

[aneale]

And - what does adding Lowden do to improve our best 22? Sauce was in All Australian form in 2014. Lowden aint improving that.

Adding more average players like Cheney to our lineup doesn't really equal depth either. Shaw, Cheney, Henderson, Hartigan, L Thompson.... meh.

There is no best 22 for a second ruckman. You don't trade or draft a ruckman to be in your starting 22 come round 1 the following year, especially with a sub rule. Lowden is there in case Sauce does a knee round 3 and also not having to put 4-6 years into development waiting for them to come good or at least be ready.

 

[Golumless]

2nd round picks don't win flags. Sure you might get lucky - but have a look at what the premiership lists are built around.

Thats elite talent that come through either:

A. Drafting top end talent
B. Trading in top end talent

We have done neither of this.

To use the old internet saying "all we are doing is shuffling deck chairs on the titanic".

Losing Smack, Petrenko, Graham, Porps, Johnston - doesn't hurt us all.
Losing Picks 31, 47 doesn't hurt us.
Gaining Picks 35 doesnt help us
Gaining Cheney doesnt help us

All of the above doesn't impact our best 22 at all.

Lowden may help us.

Our decision to move from #10 to #14 potentially could really hurt us if a player we rate in the top 5-6 players slides over the next month. We are messing around with our 1 chance to improve our top end talent. Its stupid. So stupid.

You've blown your load early.

A. Drafting top talent, the reason this hasn't happened this season is because, wait for it, maybe we actually haven't had the draft yet? Give it time man.
B. Trading, well i'd argue this year wasn't the year for it in a lot of regards, getting elite talent is about timing and opportunity and perhaps it wasn't there without us crippling another area, something we can ill afford with draft sanctions.

Gaining Pick 35 could definitely help us, there is no guarantee that player will end up a spud, but that's wait till draft day.

Cheney will definitely help us purely because we actually finally have a match up on medium forwards that won't get destroyed (see... Kerridge on Fyfe, L.Thompson on Ziebell and Martin)... in fact i'd argue this to the point that could be the difference between 10th and 7th, he's B grade sure, but because it takes out a glaring weakness which was exposed to devastating effect at least 3 times that i can think of last season, this could end up a win for us.

Lowden does purely because at worse we have a backup ruck that isn't Graham, the best case scenario is he is one of the better rucks going around, a bit of a who knows proposition because he's been in an AFL system for 6 years (18-23). Be curious to see what happens and if it works, well it opens the question if we could create Jenkins into a full time forward. That would be a massive win.

10-14 most likely wont, if we've done it, it shows we rate the draft to be unbelievably even around that point... and that we hold no hope of anyone we rate in the top 6 sliding, I like this decision a lot considering we're back in the second round and it practically nullifies the loss we've made on Lowden and Cheney... especially considering said rating.

 

[Amacca 23]

If the Pies dont land Danger, they will spend the dollars on Cameron. Im not sure we can afford to secure Cameron and keep Danger, Tex and Slaone all of next year. Dont even get me started with Aish, would cost us easily around $500 - $600k.

depends who retires thommo and pods will i think so there,s cash to start with

 

[NTRabbit]

The fact that he still had to take a long time to consider that says a lot to me. If it was just as simple as wanting more playing time then he would have accepted the Essendon offer asap with no waiting, but instead he took a number of days to make up his mind. He knew he wasn't going to get that game time, but there was something about coming here that nearly swayed him. That is what is being missed in the discussion of "OMG he didn't pick us."

Possibly waiting as long as possible to make sure Ryder really was out the door

 

[headache1]

Supporters look at things with critical eyes. It's a natural part of following a club and it's fortunes. Our trading and drafting on the whole the last 10-15 years has been barely a pass mark. How can we be in a situation, before this trading period, where we had no ruck back-up for Sauce, no key position defender apart from Talia, and most importantly...and something that has haunted us for years....no speed at all in our midfield. We have failed in these areas to trade and recruit players over the past 5-10 years that fill those gaps.

Nearly every trade has been successful? Not sure where you get your information from, but Tambling, Brad Moran, Angus Graham, and Lewis Johnston have definitely NOT been successful. That's 4 guys out of 8 we've traded for in the last few years. Half of them are rubbish, not "nearly every".

It's actually not with the Crows, which has been a big problem IMO.

 

[MyLittleSloaney]

Reckon Sauce, Lowden and Jenkins can play in the same team without Pods?

I don't think they play in the full team without Pods full stop. Walshy in his AFC presser today was fairly clear that Lowden has talent but will not be first 22 in Rd 1 2015. Of course, a lot can change until then, but I understood that to mean that Lowden has been informed he'll not be a certain starter and he'll have to work his arse off to get a gig.

Mind you that sort of tough love didn't work with Gus.

 

[Crow-eater]

I'm thinking no upgrade for Charlie unless someone else is on the chopping block. We likely won't need to with Otten on the sidelines all next year. Charlie takes his spot on the main list. Upgrade him next year.

We've committed to upgrading Charlie. We gave him a senior list contract mid way through the year.

 

[Sanders]

Can't be arsed reading 50 pages of shite

Presumably the same lemmings are declaring this crap pile a great triumph?

 

[GROTTO]

My problem with swapping the picks is that the club is assuming the player order is fairly set and we're not going to have access to the consensus top talent regardless of whether we pick at 10 or 14.

It would be a good AFL media event for us to select our picks and have them sealed in an envelope and then have it read by the media after the draft day.

Look the draft is a lottery and really it is at best a good guess, however top 10 picks do turn out ok and the art is more refined today then even 5 years ago.

 

[Amacca 23]

We've committed to upgrading Charlie. We gave him a senior list contract mid way through the year.

i also think he will be a mid in a couple of years once he gets a bigger tank and also outside runner with pace

 

[AFC979810]

Lowden improves us without doubt.

He only needs to be an improvement on Graham or Smack - not Jacobs.

He clears that easily

Well he improves us from an overall depth position which is important, but its a secondary need. He doesn't improve our best 22.

Having Lowden over Graham or Smack does not move us up the ladder from 10th spot. It will be nice to have him in case of injuries.

The #1 thing we need to be doing is bringing in players who can kick out players in our best 22. Shit - bring in a Varcoe if we can get rid of Martin. Bring in Frawley so we can have a CHB. Bring in a Christianson so we can move out Mathew Wright.

We are so caught up in what Sydney/Geelong/Hawthorn are doing by bringing in depth players, that we forget to look at what they did to get to this point. Have a team that can actually make the bloody finals for a couple of years - then worry about beefing up our depth.