Good to see this thread keeping up the tradition of 'neutral' fans being more pissy and upset about a Cats win, than supporters of the team we actually defeated.
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Autopsy AFL 2025 Second Qualifying Final - Cats v Lions Fri Sept 5th 7:40pm AEST (MCG)
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Ah, let 'em sook.
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Do you really think Viney for a second round pick- when we were on the bottom of the ladder- is somewhat comparable to the Ashcroft brothers going to a Brisbane after a prelim and a flag?
That last b&f win for Viney was a rort btw.
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Yes it's interesting isn't it. Superb strength at times, other times he falls to the ground like a deck of cards.
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Swap your g and d and you're on the money there.
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My point being that while you haven’t fared as well as some from the rule, you’ve also fared better than others.
Virtually every club has had something that has helped them, and something that hasn’t.
We lucked out with father sons (mind you two of them were from a quarter of a century ago), particularly Hawkins: the others were just fortunate given that they were nothing special as kids but became guns, Hawkins was always good. On the other side we’ve had 3 top 10 picks in over 20 years.
You haven’t had much help from father sons but you’ve had a stack of top 10s to build your team.
Northern sides have had academy picks and the expansion sides have had a heap of top 10 picks to get started.
And so it goes on.
Every man and his dog in this forum wants to do nothing but look over the fence and make excuses as to why their side hasn’t done as well as another team instead of just saying ‘well done.’
I couldn’t give a f**k why Brisbane won last year. They won and played the best football and rallied from some huge margins. They learned from the years previous.
Richmond endured some horror years and then when they managed to put their team together the way they wanted it, they struck and won 3 comps in four years and were one of the greatest sides in modern footy.
Why is it so hard for people to just accept a team winning something.
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I actually don’t have any I’ll will for Rayner really, I think he will live to regret doing it, the umpiring just has to be better.
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Me neither, great player. Watching the replay and Lyon mentioned that he's maybe the closest thing in the game today to Dustin Martin, obviously a level below, but I can see it at his best where he's a pretty good replica of a bulldozing, classy half forward/mid who can just rip your heart out in 10 minutes. It's part of the game, he dished it out, he copped it back, shake hands and no hard feelings after the game.
It might just be my imagination, but feels like Geelong's having too many of these 1.6, 3.8, 4.11 kind of starts. It's probably my main concern about Geelong, heading into a preliminary. SDK probably wouldn't feature in our best, but his going back with a set shot and converting (for someone who's not a noted goal kicker) to start our run in the second quarter after six or seven behinds in a row was enormous.
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Woke up. Still feel absolutely sick about the result last night.
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This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think Rayner did anything wrong.
I don’t think he took a dive at all on the first free. O’Connor bumps him, and as he goes to step forward their feet get tangled and he goes down. You’ll notice that O’Connor actually stumbles a little too. The contact was soft no doubt, and shouldn’t have been a free, but I can also understand how an umpire who is trying to simultaneously monitor 6 different matchups across 50m might get that wrong. IMO, that’s just a bit of luck and will happen sometimes, when you consider how many instances a tagger gets away with that SHOULD be a free in any given game, it’s probably a little bit of swings and roundabouts.
The second one should not have been paid, but that’s on the umpire. When Guthrie comes in, Rayner decided instead of being faux tough guy he’d exaggerate the contact and try and milk a free, which I don’t have an issue with. Guthrie did still hit him and I think should have known that Rayner was trying to suck him in to a free.
In the second half Rayner went heel and I thought that was hilarious.
Why does the umpire have to monitor 6 different matche ups at the other end of the ground that has no bearing on the game. If anything untoward happens let the MRO deal with it
I know it has room for improvement but are you starting to come round to our midfield mix now? Our top clearance winners last night - and over the second half of the season - Blicavs, Holmes, Smith, Dangerfield, Atkins, Mannagh, Dempsey and Miers. Scott has masterfully mixed in our most dynamic three forwards as extra support outlets, together with the wingmen (even Bowes has found some form there). While it's true we probably lack a midfield bull, Dangerfield still sparks us in that way and we will probably keep ramping that up for any further games this season. Otherwise, we have a great set of attributes between the names listed for a modern day midfield.
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I guess when did the contact actually happen?
Obviously by the time the ball got overturned Geelong had marked it and had a shot at goal, but prior to that the ball was still in play.
If umpires weren’t monitoring that, you could just drag your opponent down whenever you want and keep the from getting in to position.
Also, I think saying, “leave it to the MRO” is not right. If you belt someone off the play it should still be a free kick.
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That was the best midfield performance I have seen since Selwood retired. Coaching masterclass on all levels.
Mannagh is becoming a bull and Dempsey is beginning to develop into a legitimate star.
I was quietly confident when I heard Stanley was out. He's been a good serviceable player for a long time but we needed more agility in the middle and Blicavs simply ran Fort off his feet and provided that extra midfielder we needed to get over Brisbane.
I'm still concerned the midfield can get overpowered but winning the first final eliminates any inconsistency we may have foreseen had it meant 3 straight wins needed.
I also liked the shift of Holmes from middle and not getting much of the ball to half back. Really got him going in the second half.
Atkins was excellent.
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I don’t think there’s a coach in the league who shifts his players around in season and in games more than Scott and he does it brilliantly.
Agreed about Stanley. Blicavs is moving so much better this year than 12 months ago with a busted ankle. He really is giving us some 2022 level output around the ball at times this year as a bigger bodied, mobile player who knows how to defend opposition attacks.
It'd be great to throw one more genuine contested ball winner into the mix. But I just love that Scott has adapted Mannagh to an attacking mid-forward terrier, instructed Atkins to lean into his kamikaze defensive game, layers in the creativity of Miers and Dempsey as pseudo "outside" mids, then has the run-and-gun of Smith/Holmes to break games apart. Once you throw finals mode Dangerfield into that mix it has serious power too.
Agree about Holmes too, who can operate as an elite half back, wingman or inside mid at this point.
However they do need to back it up for 2 more games.
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Cats looked the goods last night against my own top seeds. Have exceeded my pre season predictions. Now that they’re in yet another prelim it’s time to get back to the big dance snoop style!
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So you agree that the father son rule compromises the draft? See, that wasn't too hard.
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Cats half forwards in Dempsey, Mannagh and Close really good games without looking at the stats….. gives the cats a real dynamic look and hard to stop…. Get the cup!