AFL and the send-off rule: A matter of 'when', not 'if'?

[MightyHawks]

If Mumford takes out Dylan Grimes, how long does Grimes have to stay down for before the umpires and medical staff realise he isn't staging?

 

[Plugger35]

Don’t be ridiculous.

Incidents like the gaff one happen once every 1000 games.

It’s a brutal game but not that brutal to imagine we have to bring in a send off rule for some rare moment.

Punishment is severe at the tribunal.

Players like gaff pay the price.

Gaff missed out on a whole finals series and a premiership so I don't think many players would be willing to follow his lead and break someone's jaw.

You very rarely see players throw punches these days, even Gaff's hit was more of a forceful push that went wrong when Brayshaw ducked into it.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

The gaff analogy is erroneous - there is enough disincentive to ensure compliance with the rules...

with the exception of grand final day

a 6 week suspension - but a massive chance of a flag. You'd take it in a heart beat. And it doesn't need to be a haymaker - running through a bloke byron pickett style will do it

Mumford 5 years ago when he could actually catch someone would have been dangerous - the issue now is he is all huff and puff, but no stuff.

Truly the biggest disincentive is reputation. Lynch is more remembered for going postal than anything else.

 

[Righteo]

You very rarely see players throw punches these days, even Gaff's hit was more of a forceful push that went wrong when Brayshaw ducked into it.

lol

 

[Kappa]

Don’t be ridiculous.

Incidents like the gaff one happen once every 1000 games.

It’s a brutal game but not that brutal to imagine we have to bring in a send off rule for some rare moment.

Punishment is severe at the tribunal.

Players like gaff pay the price.

Fremantle may beg to differ.

They got no justice, all they got was a massive disadvantage for their game.

And why is being rare a good justification for not having a rule?

 

[Plugger35]

lol

It wasn't a deliberate king hit, it was only the fact that Brayshaw's jaw was broken that he got so many weeks, would have been 2 or 3 weeks otherwise.

Fremantle may beg to differ.

They got no justice, all they got was a massive disadvantage for their game.

And why is being rare a good justification for not having a rule?

Freo got thrashed in that game, made no difference to the result and Gaff spent a lot of time on the bench after that so may as well have been sent off.

 

[Kappa]

It wasn't a deliberate king hit, it was only the fact that Brayshaw's jaw was broken that he got so many weeks, would have been 2 or 3 weeks otherwise.



Freo got thrashed in that game, made no difference to the result and Gaff spent a lot of time on the bench after that so may as well have been sent off.

What utterly stupid logic.

 

[Shane Heard]

Fremantle may beg to differ.

They got no justice, all they got was a massive disadvantage for their game.

And why is being rare a good justification for not having a rule?

Because it’s completely unnecessary that’s why. Because the umpires are mostly idiots and struggle to handle the most basic decisions on the field.

Why would we want to pile more pressure on them?

Its just plain common sense.

 

[catscollector]

Giving an attention seeking flog like Razor Ray a chance to use red cards, yeah I can't see that ending badly at all.

be a fitting finale if Mummy king hit that bloke instead.

 

[sobrave]

Should only come in if teams are sending out players to specifically take out others. At the moment that’s not happening so it wouldn’t actually prevent any incidents.

As an aside, all the media that seems to be hoping Mumford does some dog act on Saturday is disgusting.
That’s not fair on anyone involved.

Should target cotchin, after his snipe in the 2017 prelim.

 

[harrythetiger]

Should target cotchin, after his snipe in the 2017 prelim.

That there my friends, is bait

 

[OB11]

Should target cotchin, after his snipe in the 2017 prelim.

Let's say this was to happen (semi-legally like the Shiel incident) - what is the word for it - ironic or poetic justice?

 

[sobrave]

That there my friends, is bait

Cotchin took out gws best player with a head high hit. GWS were in the game until that point. Wouldn't be surprised if big mummy returns the favour

 

[Americanpies]

What was farcical was the West Coast having a huge advantage for most of the game against Fremantle because Gaff king hit Brayshaw off the ball.

Imagine king hitting someone off the ball and being rewarded for it by gaining a man advantage for the game! What other sport in the world would allow that?

This is why I think subs need to be reintroduced. But not just for king hits. For any injured player.

The 'man down' scenario is devastating. Nobody ever talks about it being a problem for the game, but from what I've notice, usually teams can only overcome it if it is a Good team with the players missing Vs some garbage team.

I support Subs, and maybe have a system where at every quarter a team can sub one player in and one out for the remainder of the game.. regardless of injury or not. This will ensure both teams have the same amount of players on the field/interchange combined at all times and there is no undermanned disadvantage.

The red card system... I don't support that. We'll end up with situations like that Charlie Cameron business, with a small guy with an injury getting pushed around by the big guy.. big guy gets red carded as he is perceived as a dirty player. We have the tribunal system for people taking guys out. If Mumford goes ballistic this weekend, he will get huge fines and be seen as dirty for the rest of his life. I don't think anyone wants this.... Lynch/Wakelin, I don't think Lynch was in bed the night before thinking he is going to go out and punch Wakelin in the face. I reckon it was just a build up of emotion/niggling, etc and it just happened. It just looked bad that it was Lynch's last game.

 

[Obeanie1]

AFL cant get the score review system right and we think that they will get this right?

 

[jathanas]

These incidents being a "rare occurrence" or the potential inability of the AFL to enforce the rules consistently doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to make the game cleaner and protect the stars from the thugs.

Case in point: Gaff should have been red-carded no questions asked, in other sports he would have.

 

[MightyHawks]

Should target cotchin, after his snipe in the 2017 prelim.

Look if it happens then GWS would say they are just returning the favour

Yeates on Brereton in 1989 was a square up

 

[PhatBoy]

As long as the team with the guy sent off weren’t actually playing with 17 on on the field I wouldn’t have an issue with it.

With NRL it’s possible to still win with a man down. Playing one marker instead of two, and expanding your defensive line, coupled with the fact that you only have to defend 60m or so of territory sideline to sideline means it is doable.

18 on 17 in afl wouldn’t work

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Send off rule yes, but only in Grand Finals for starters. Maybe for all matches after it has been trialed. It would be quite simple, if an umpire senses something deserved a send off, he signals to an official upstairs who reviews it.

Its been trialled for 20 years at every other level.
Bring it in, but only for the most obvious acts. Most years it wouldn't be used, and that's a good thing - but when it is needed it should be there.

 

[BRAB]

If this thread isn't on 15 pages by tomorrow night then Mumford hasn't done his job properly.

 

[Topkent]

What was farcical was the West Coast having a huge advantage for most of the game against Fremantle because Gaff king hit Brayshaw off the ball.

Imagine king hitting someone off the ball and being rewarded for it by gaining a man advantage for the game! What other sport in the world would allow that?

Yeah real reward for Gaff missing the GF. Be the sits at home at night laughing at how good that accidental high hit on Brayshaw was

 

[Upgrayedd]

A question and topic which nobody ever asked for

 

[Kappa]

Yeah real reward for Gaff missing the GF. Be the sits at home at night laughing at how good that accidental high hit on Brayshaw was

Way to completely and utterly miss the point.

 

[Dr Awkward]

It's a real risk though if Mumford comes out swinging. A few sloppy free kicks or 50m penalties could be costly for them. Not to mention it might really fire us up. How likely is he to actually injure someone to the point of them not playing? Not very.

Everyone talks about how tough Mumford is etc, tbh he has been really poor in recent games.

 

[Topkent]

Way to completely and utterly miss the point.

Nah your post was just crap. Picked what is an isolated incident out of modern footy which was an accident as the base for a new rule. Gaff missed possibly his only chance at a premiership but you think he must have been happy at what he did because they had a one man advantage. If it's such an advantage to go out and belt someone at the start of a game how comes it hasn't happened in 20 years