AFL Canberra Div 3, div 4 (Canb Dist)

[Leeroy#6]

The winner of 1 V 2 gets a week off and goes straight into the GF.
The winner of 3 V 4 plays the loser of 1 V 2 in the Prelim.
The loser of 3 V 4 is eliminated.
The winner of the Prelim plays the winner of 1 V 2 in the GF.

Shanefos,
Cheers for that i understand how it runs.
i spose my main question is to win the minor premiership is quite an achievement and to reward that team and also the team in 2nd, what would be wrong with having the 1 v 4 and 2 v 3.

 

[twobobs]

Southcab,

Thanks for giving that information do we know if that was just a mistake or was it some sort of complaint that changed it.
either way its a lot better.

also on the topic of finals can anyone please tell me why 1 plays 2 in the first round of finals and 3 plays 4, does that not defeat the purpose of the minor premiership

The minor premiership gave you bragging rights and home semi final?????

I think a top 5 is the fairest finals system and with the number of teams in our CD comps we should look into it. probably wouldnt work in the premier comp though (six and 5 teams respectively) Tell Rusty to consider the massive gate takings of an extra final for the CD comps

week 1
2v3 (qualifying final) winner goes to second semi, loser goes to first semi
4v5 (elimination final) loser out
1 has week off

week 2
1 v winner of QF (second semi) winner goes to GF
loser QF v winner EF (first semi) loser out

week 3
loser SS v winner FS (preliminary final)

week 4
winner SS v winner PF winner gets a big trophy, loser doesnt

I am also a big fan of finals being played on the best grounds. If there is a home ground advantage it should only favour a team that finished higher.

 

[Leeroy#6]

twobobs,
would love to see what the ACTAFL thinks about that,
might lift the standard of Footy for the teams that are sitting mid to lower on the ladder

 

[shanefos]

The minor premiership gave you bragging rights and home semi final?????

I think a top 5 is the fairest finals system and with the number of teams in our CD comps we should look into it. probably wouldnt work in the premier comp though (six and 5 teams respectively) Tell Rusty to consider the massive gate takings of an extra final for the CD comps

...I am also a big fan of finals being played on the best grounds. If there is a home ground advantage it should only favour a team that finished higher.

AFL Canberra is already pushed to provide venues and officials for the three weeks of CD finals.
Your idea has merit, but I can't see them increasing the number of finals any time soon.
Imagine the disdain from the likes of A Bit High and BushFooty on the 'AFL Canberra' thread if CD's were given an extra week of finals!!!!

 

[twobobs]

twobobs,
would love to see what the ACTAFL thinks about that,
might lift the standard of Footy for the teams that are sitting mid to lower on the ladder

And lets be honest, teams in the 3s who could possibly take fifth spot on the ladder as is stands prior to this weekends games includes ANU, Harman, and (with a slight mathematical cance and other results going their way) Woden. Any of these teams can beat other teams in the four on their day. Agree Leeroy, the teams in the middle of the ladder would have an extra spot to fight for during the latter stages of the season. This also fits with the AFL model of 50% of teams making the finals...........and ACTAFL 1s and 2s should be a top 3!

 

[twobobs]

AFL Canberra is already pushed to provide venues and officials for the three weeks of CD finals.
Your idea has merit, but I can't see them increasing the number of finals any time soon.
Imagine the disdain from the likes of A Bit High and BushFooty on the 'AFL Canberra' thread if CD's were given an extra week of finals!!!!

Finish on the same weekend, just start the season one week earlier. Will mean that there shouldnt be a problem with officials. Ground availability may be a issue due to cricket.

Bring back Footy Park (without a cricket pitch) and play some early season games under lights on Fri/Sat night. Better still, double headers on a Saturday where games start at 10am and finsh under lights in the evening with a few clubs involved. Pair up Cooma with Woden for an early season "bonding" session. Finish with a GF replay of the year before under lights. Teams will hang around to watch each other. split the canteen profits.

Come on boys lateral thinking, not "it is too hard because....."

 

[Heywood J]

We all know sporting pulse suffers badly from inacuarcy,s so someone please tell me how do you varify who is actaully quilafied to play finals footy when a side is able to lodge a team list with multiple players on it?It appears that a certain side has been able to submitt team sheets on more then one ocassion with more then the 22 players listed all players have been given credit for that game some have been listed in both div 3 and div 4 and been given credit for both which you can do provided you play up a grade and not down in the same round .The club has even submitted a team sheet for a forfeit with 23 players on it and all as stated above have been givin credit the biggest list submitted has 27 players on it so again how do know who is qualified

Shanefos, from what we've seen this week I think it's fair to say "don't believe what you see" when it comes to Sportingpulse!!! I think you'll find that the club you're talking about has done the right thing - unfortunately Sportingpulse has stuffed it up. Hopefully it's all sorted by the end of the week.

On finals' systems, Top 5's not a bad way to go, although the minor premier can be disadvantaged, depending how you look at it, by having 2 weekends off during the finals series.

 

[Growling Ferret]

As someone who is going to miss out on finals this year, final 4 is the way to go.

The only problem I see with the way its being run is that 1 v 2 should be on the Saturday and 3 v 4 on the Sunday to give the loser of 1 v 2 the extra day.

That then gives the 3 v 4 loser a Mad Monday - its not all bad!!!

 

[Heywood J]

Shanefos,
Cheers for that i understand how it runs.
i spose my main question is to win the minor premiership is quite an achievement and to reward that team and also the team in 2nd, what would be wrong with having the 1 v 4 and 2 v 3.

Am I reading into this that Yass would rather play the Swannies than the Jets in the first week of the finals?

 

[Growling Ferret]

Heywood

Players can double up in two grades - assuming they play 4's first then threes.

 

[Heywood J]

Heywood

Players can double up in two grades - assuming they play 4's first then threes.

For sure, Growler, however a team cannot lodge a team list of 27 players!

 

[SIR GAMBLOR]

I agree with the Ferret. The Jets are very lucky to make the finals this year after being gifted 8 points and percentage from ADFA forfeits.
It is not the Jets fault, they just happened to get the luck of the draw, and they may have won, but form lines suggest otherwise.

Harman and ANU are pretty unlucky that they sit just outside the finals because of these forfeits. Even if Woden (7th) were the lucky recepient of the 2 forfeits instead of the jets, they would be in the finals mix.
Perhaps if a team forfeits in the future, they lose the 4 points that are gifted to the oppostion. By doing this, ANU and Harman would not be so adversely affected, as ADFA would be sitting out of the 4 after losing 8 points. (or work hard to have the matches replayed midweek)

But with only a top 4 out of 10 teams making the finals and such a close competition, one thing is certain, forfeits such as the ones that occurred this year have meant the final 4 have been somewhat unfairly decided.

Other than that, a good competition.

Gungahlin must be glad that they had the fortune for ADFA for forfeit to them twice this year...

Having seen the best teams in the last 5 weeks, Murrumbidgee are the best coached and best structured team in the comp. They are probably also the quickest team, and have a few guys that take on their opponent and kick over the lines.

Is the 4 finalised or can it change this weekend?

 

[Leeroy#6]

Am I reading into this that Yass would rather play the Swannies than the Jets in the first week of the finals?

Heywood,
Yass isnt too concerned with who they play in the finals at all.
i personally think that playing Gunners first will work in our favour.
we will know exactly where we stand after the final siren

 

[Heywood J]

Okay gents, the Div 3 ladder is now up to date on Sportingpulse. Here's the equation going into the last round...

Belco - minor premiers

Jets - if they beat Harman, they finish second. If they lose, they will finish 4th. The only way the Jets can miss the finals is if Harman beats them by around 120+ points.

Bidgee - will finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th - they can't miss out on the finals because they play Tuggers. Can only get to 2nd if the Jets lose and ADFA don't beat ANU by too much. They can't grab a Top 2 spot if the Jets win.

ADFA - sudden death match Vs ANU - if they lose they'll miss the finals! If they win they could grab 2nd if the Jets lose, otherwise they'll finish 3rd or 4th.

ANU - sudden death match Vs ADFA - if they win they'll finish 4th, if they lose they'll finish 5th or 6th.

Harman - would have to beat the Jets by in excess of 20 goals to make the finals. If they don't win by that amount, then they'll be relying on Tuggers to beat Bidge.

 

[BigHill]

Sir Gamblor,

I don't see it being far if ADFA would loose the 4 pts for forfeiting since they work hard with AFL canberra before the season to work out their draw where they have UNI Leave. At ADFA you must realise that the large majority are away from their home towns and Defence pay for them to head home during the leave periods. It is the only time throughout the year that they get home and for free. You can't blame these young kids (First time out of home) for heading home to see their families for a week or two during the break. Happy with the way the points and score is worked out currently.

And for rescheduling the matches - Well i'm sure all other teams could help out a bit more when asked by ADFA to reschedule during the week to play a night match. Not many clubs have help ADFA out in the past due to different excuses which some are valid. I played for ADFA for 3 season in 2000, 01 and 02 and we busted our arses to get the games rescheduled but it never happened during my time there.

Also GF - Saturday is 1 vs 2 and Sunday is 3 vs 4.

 

[southcab]

Adfa forfeited to yass this year leaving yass without a game for 3 weeks yass would have been happy to reschedule but were not asked,or is only div 3 that want to reschedule games!!!

 

[SIR GAMBLOR]

Sir Gamblor,

I don't see it being far if ADFA would loose the 4 pts for forfeiting since they work hard with AFL canberra before the season to work out their draw where they have UNI Leave. At ADFA you must realise that the large majority are away from their home towns and Defence pay for them to head home during the leave periods. It is the only time throughout the year that they get home and for free. You can't blame these young kids (First time out of home) for heading home to see their families for a week or two during the break. Happy with the way the points and score is worked out currently.

And for rescheduling the matches - Well i'm sure all other teams could help out a bit more when asked by ADFA to reschedule during the week to play a night match. Not many clubs have help ADFA out in the past due to different excuses which some are valid. I played for ADFA for 3 season in 2000, 01 and 02 and we busted our arses to get the games rescheduled but it never happened during my time there.

Also GF - Saturday is 1 vs 2 and Sunday is 3 vs 4.

Hilly,
So from your comments it would seem you would rather it be fair for one club (ADFA), rather than the rest of the competition? (Except Jets! )

Questions would also have to be asked of AFL Canberra if what you are suggesting is true that they were aware that these forfeits would happen before the season started, and that they would happen against the same opposition. Rescheduled matches, or loss of competition points is the only way to make it fair for the majority of teams, rather than just 1.
The competiton is about all 10 teams, and should be on a level playing ground. A penalty such as this will no doubt see less forfeits, if any, in the future.
I am sure you would be more open to this suggestion if the Jugs were just outside the 4?

 

[BigHill]

Can see your point mate am I'm not sure if AFL Canberra looked at the two dates that ADFA would most likely forfeit to make sure that they weren't playing the same team both times. It is very difficult to get the draw correct for everyone when you have a team like ADFA or RMC in the competition who may forfeit now and again. Mind you if ADFA can still make the finals after two forfeits then they deserve to be there and other teams need to make sure they beat them during the other matches. In the past the forfeits have cost them a finals birth but this year they have a quality outfit that has won most of their matches.

Don't forget Tuggers also forfeited this year twice and that's due to lack of players not due to school leave. Maybe AFL Canberra needs to review Tuggers and their eligibility before fixing the ADFA issue.

The ADFA / RMC scenario has been around for years and we just need to understand that it will happen each season. I think the current rules applied to a forfeit are pretty fair regardless if the Juggs were just out of the four or not. If your out of the four currently it's because you haven't been consistant over the whole season compared to the other teams in the four. Lets not make excuses for why 5 and 6 are not in the four without looking into your own backyard.

You can all come and play for the Juggs next year to make sure you don't miss out.

 

[SIR GAMBLOR]

Can see your point mate am I'm not sure if AFL Canberra looked at the two dates that ADFA would most likely forfeit to make sure that they weren't playing the same team both times. It is very difficult to get the draw correct for everyone when you have a team like ADFA or RMC in the competition who may forfeit now and again. Mind you if ADFA can still make the finals after two forfeits then they deserve to be there and other teams need to make sure they beat them during the other matches. In the past the forfeits have cost them a finals birth but this year they have a quality outfit that has won most of their matches.

Don't forget Tuggers also forfeited this year twice and that's due to lack of players not due to school leave. Maybe AFL Canberra needs to review Tuggers and their eligibility before fixing the ADFA issue.

The ADFA / RMC scenario has been around for years and we just need to understand that it will happen each season. I think the current rules applied to a forfeit are pretty fair regardless if the Juggs were just out of the four or not. If your out of the four currently it's because you haven't been consistant over the whole season compared to the other teams in the four. Lets not make excuses for why 5 and 6 are not in the four without looking into your own backyard.

You can all come and play for the Juggs next year to make sure you don't miss out.

Good points except for straying from the original comment and saying the teams in the 4 have been consistent for the whole season and deserve to be there.
As I said in my original comment, I agree with the growling ferret that the Jets are lucky to be there. If they played ADFA twice and lost as form lines would suggest, they would be on 9 wins and 8 losses and in 7th place, with a tough game against Harman to come. (Hardly consistent)
I do agree that the Jugs and Belconnen deserve to be there, and ADFA have done very well to make it giving up 2 games.
But as I said in my original comment, the Jets are very lucky, with ANU and Harman hard done by... (If they had got the forfeits, they would be in there, and not the jets, and that is not how a final 4 should be determined)
Also, I don't play for Harman or ANU, so it is not a case of looking in my own backyard. It is just plain to see. It is not the Jets fault, they just got the luck of the draw, and I still feel there should be harsher penalties to not disadvantage other teams. I see some valid points that you have made, but none that change anything I said in my original comment.

 

[Pie Piper]

Finish on the same weekend, just start the season one week earlier. Will mean that there shouldnt be a problem with officials. Ground availability may be a issue due to cricket.

Bring back Footy Park (without a cricket pitch) and play some early season games under lights on Fri/Sat night. Better still, double headers on a Saturday where games start at 10am and finsh under lights in the evening with a few clubs involved. Pair up Cooma with Woden for an early season "bonding" session. Finish with a GF replay of the year before under lights. Teams will hang around to watch each other. split the canteen profits.

Come on boys lateral thinking, not "it is too hard because....."

Hey guys, just found this website the other day. Wish I had've known about it through the season.

The girls comp play their games at 10am which is how we're able to fit 3 games in on the same day at the same ground without having to resort to lights. Id be reluctant to play at Footy Park unless there is a major overhaul of the ground....its a shocker. Very glad I'll only have to play at Ainslie and Manuka for the rest of the season The two premier grounds in Canberra in my opinion.

 

[twobobs]

Good points except for straying from the original comment and saying the teams in the 4 have been consistent for the whole season and deserve to be there.
As I said in my original comment, I agree with the growling ferret that the Jets are lucky to be there. If they played ADFA twice and lost as form lines would suggest, they would be on 9 wins and 8 losses and in 7th place, with a tough game against Harman to come. (Hardly consistent)
I do agree that the Jugs and Belconnen deserve to be there, and ADFA have done very well to make it giving up 2 games.
But as I said in my original comment, the Jets are very lucky, with ANU and Harman hard done by... (If they had got the forfeits, they would be in there, and not the jets, and that is not how a final 4 should be determined)
Also, I don't play for Harman or ANU, so it is not a case of looking in my own backyard. It is just plain to see. It is not the Jets fault, they just got the luck of the draw, and I still feel there should be harsher penalties to not disadvantage other teams. I see some valid points that you have made, but none that change anything I said in my original comment.

My two bobs worth (finally got to say it!) would be:

ADFA have already received a harsh penalty from not being able to contest for the 4 premiership points on offer - if they lose this weekend and miss the finals I am sure a lot of them would look back and say "gee, if only we were able to win one of those games we had to forfeit, we would have secured a finals spot"

As for the Jets, well ask any player really, and they would tell you that they hate missing a game of footy. I am not involved in any of the teams mentioned but I know how disappointing it would be to miss a game of footy, especially from a forfeit. You could even argue that you missed out on a chance to play against a quality outfit that you may even come up against in finals. It was a coincidnece that it happened to the Jets twice, I doubt that there is much you can do to avoid it, apart from ADFA possible pencilling in dates with AFL Canberra where they might be required to forfeit. AFLC could try and avoid making a draw where the same team plays ADFA on these weekends.

I believe that teams like ADFA and RMC are an asset to our comp and are generally competitive when fielding a team. There needs to be flexibility for these clubs when a potential forfeit looms.

On that note, why isnt there an RMC side this year???

 

[Heywood J]

Good points except for straying from the original comment and saying the teams in the 4 have been consistent for the whole season and deserve to be there.
As I said in my original comment, I agree with the growling ferret that the Jets are lucky to be there. If they played ADFA twice and lost as form lines would suggest, they would be on 9 wins and 8 losses and in 7th place, with a tough game against Harman to come. (Hardly consistent)
I do agree that the Jugs and Belconnen deserve to be there, and ADFA have done very well to make it giving up 2 games.
But as I said in my original comment, the Jets are very lucky, with ANU and Harman hard done by... (If they had got the forfeits, they would be in there, and not the jets, and that is not how a final 4 should be determined)
Also, I don't play for Harman or ANU, so it is not a case of looking in my own backyard. It is just plain to see. It is not the Jets fault, they just got the luck of the draw, and I still feel there should be harsher penalties to not disadvantage other teams. I see some valid points that you have made, but none that change anything I said in my original comment.

Sir Gambo, I agree that the Jets have received their fair share of luck with the two forfeits, however to say they're undeserving of a spot in the Top 4 is a bit harsh. They survived the early-season resignation of their coach to win 8 of their last 10 matches, including wins over Harman, ANU and Bidgee, and they only lost to Belco by 3 goals. I don't think we should take pot shots until we see how they perform in the finals. The only thing that stopped ANU and Harman making the finals is that they didn't win enough matches, simple as that. And don't write off ANU yet, if they beat ADFA this week they're in!

Let's turn our attention to the minor premiers, Belco. I wonder how they're shaping up with the finals just around the corner? They've been the form team this year, no doubt. Now at the business end of the season they would have to be raring to go! I wonder how many of their current line-up were part of the 2004, 2005 and 2006 seasons in Div 3? Hope they're not relying on the finals experience gained in those years?!!

 

[BigHill]

HJ, I don't think SG said that the Jets were undeserving of making the 4 but that they were LUCKY to be there due to not playing those 2 games that could have been 2 losses. But who knows, no one will know if they would have won those games. Let's get over it now because we can't change the results.

Also like we have said early, ADFA do consult with AFL Canberra about the leave dates throughout the year but it is hard to schedule games where they maybe a forfeit due to holidays. The only thing AFL Canberra can do to resolve this issue next year is to make sure the same team isn't involved in the forfeit with ADFA like the Jets were this year.

Also RMC have removed most teams competing in Civilian Sports this year due to large amounts of serious injuries from last year which cost the Department a lot of money. Also there was some disaplain issues within RMC from a function late or early this year which made the CO cancel certain sports from competing. This was a rumour so it would be good to get the real story from someone internal. Let's hope they are back next year to add another team to the mix.

 

[twobobs]

Sir Gambo, I agree that the Jets have received their fair share of luck with the two forfeits, however to say they're undeserving of a spot in the Top 4 is a bit harsh. They survived the early-season resignation of their coach to win 8 of their last 10 matches, including wins over Harman, ANU and Bidgee, and they only lost to Belco by 3 goals. I don't think we should take pot shots until we see how they perform in the finals. The only thing that stopped ANU and Harman making the finals is that they didn't win enough matches, simple as that. And don't write off ANU yet, if they beat ADFA this week they're in!

Let's turn our attention to the minor premiers, Belco. I wonder how they're shaping up with the finals just around the corner? They've been the form team this year, no doubt. Now at the business end of the season they would have to be raring to go! I wonder how many of their current line-up were part of the 2004, 2005 and 2006 seasons in Div 3? Hope they're not relying on the finals experience gained in those years?!!

I am a Belco boy and I vaguely remember the Jets going through some failed finals campaigns in the early 2000's before getting the 2006/2007 Double

It is no secret we have had a horrible run in the finals, maybe we need to get some inspiration from Choco Williams from Port Adelaide to break the chokers tag That said we are a very different side and with a year in the 2s last year fighting out every game, every week - we have developed a strong resolve. A few of the boys playing now were a part of the 2006 CD2 premiership side too (and going back a bit - a few played in the 2001 CD1 Premiership)

Time will tell how we go in finals. First we want to finish off the home and away season with a good win. (sorry for the cliche, but one week at a time if you know what I mean!!!)

 

[Growling Ferret]

Its not confirmed, but I heard part of the reason RMC bailed out of all local competitions was after a Duntroon rugby league team had a couple of civilian idiots who belted the ref last year, bringing bad publicity to Duntroon and thus RMC...