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AFL in 2025

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I've been kinda bored this evening so I've been pondering what the AFL will look like in 2025 and what developments would have happened to the game across the nation and internationally.

Let's begin~

Before looking at the football developments, let's have a quick look at the demographic shifts that have occured in Australia in the last 18 years up to now (2025).

The population topped 24.5 million late last year in 2024 and the same population trends which have occured over the last 40 years have continued with Queensland, Western Australia, and to a lesser extent, the Northern Territory having the highest growth rates; whereas Victoria, New South Wales and the ACT have maintained steady growth. NSW - in particular, Sydney, still receives the most immigrants yet this is counterbalanced by steady interstate migration north or west. Despite a substantial number of sea-changers and retirees moving to Tasmania and increased efforts to provide more new jobs in Adelaide to entice more internal and external migration. The populations of South Australia and Tasmania have had a moderate increase in the last two decades.

Sydney now has a population just over 5 miliion with NSW's population now getting close to 7.7 million. Melbourne's got a population of around 4.4 million with Victoria having a population of 5.9 million, Brisbane now has a population close to 2.6 million people and Queensland has around 5.4 people. WA now has 2.8 million people, 2.2 million of which live in Perth; 1.2 million of SA's 1.7 million people live in Adelaide; ACT has over 365,000 people; NT has just 250,000 people, 150,000 of them live in Darwin; and Tasmania has just over 500,000 people.

Now let's get to the football and football-related developments.

Subiaco Oval completed an expansion in 2010 raising capacity to 65,000, which many thought at the time was inadequate and a poor decision compared with just building a new, larger stadium. This was proved to be correct with Eagles, and to lesser extent, Dockers matches frequently nearing capacity. The situation was alleviated in 2015 with the introduction of a new Perth-based team, the Perth Pirates into the mix. They play out of a new stadium complex south of Perth with a capacity of 50,000. The Pirates and Dockers play out of the new stadium with big matches involving these sides played at Subiaco, West Coast use Subiaco as their permanent base.

Adelaide and Port still both play out of Football Park, or Lenovo Superdome - named after the huge Chinese computer corporation - in its latest incarnation. The Superdome has undergone some redevelopment over the years and now has a capacity of 65,000 people. Showdown matches are usually sold out weeks in advance.

Let's have a look at the home of football now, Melbourne. The MCG still exists in its majestic glory. A couple of minor redevelopments but nothing major since the construction of the Northern Stand all those years back. The Telstra Dome, plagued by problems throughout much of its history, was knocked down in 2013 and re-opened in time for the 2016 season as a new 65,000 stadium - now called the Sing-Tel Dome - following a similar design to the old stadium but utilising modern technology. We're clever these days, we worked out how to grow grass even under roof! The new Samsung Stadium, with a capacity of 40,000, in Melbourne's south-east was opened in 2018 with the Saints based there and the Hawks playing four home games out of there (more on that later). Richmond, Melbourne and Collingwood play out of the MCG, whereas Essendon, Carlton and Geelong are based out of the Sing-Tel Dome. Blockbusters and other big drawing matches are still played at the G however.

Geelong are based essentially a Melbourne side these days with their administration and training base at Werribee. They now only play two games a year at Mitsubishi Park (Kardinia Park), one being during the Heritage round and the other against a low drawing side, usually against the North Australia Alliance.

The Tassie Hawks are based at GM Holden Hyperdome in Launceston, though still play four games a year at Samsung Stadium in SE Melbourne. The Hyperdome has a capacity 35,000 these days after considerable redevelopment over the years. The Hawks made Tasmania their base in 2011, following their flag in 2009.

Sydney now has two teams, the Swans and the Bulldogs, and three stadiums. The Swans are still based at the SCG, which through ongoing redevelopments now holds 60,000. The Bulldogs play mainly out of Blacktown's Google Dome, which holds 30,000. Bulldogs-Swans derbies and other large drawing matches are played from Yahoo! Stadium (Stadium Australia), which has a similar capacity to before but with a retractable roof. The Bulldogs relocated to Sydney in 2013 after further pressure from the tightening Melbourne market and interstate powerhouses.

SE Queensland has two teams as they have had for 15 odd years now. The Kangaroos relocated in 2009 and formed an alliance with Southport Sharks, playing out of the Crazy John's Carrara Oval, which holds 40,000. The Brisbane Lions, moved to a new stadium once the Gabba was unable to support their crowd figures. They now play out of a new stadium of 65,000 in Brisbane's north, called the Honda Stadium.

The Canberra Bushrangers also entered in 2014 after a relatively long wait for ACT/Riverina-Southern NSW footy followers. They play out of a new 45,000 stadium built out back of Canberra on what was previously a cow paddock. As such, it's nickname is 'The Paddock'.

The North Australia Alliance entered the league in 2018 and are based in Darwin but play four games a years in Cairns. Marrara, which somehow has evaded the whole corporation branding phenemenon, now has a capacity of 36,000 after significant redevelopment over the years. The Cairns stadium, once known as Cazaly's, has a capacity of 32,000.

The NZ Aces are the final side which make all the AFL, they entered along with the Alliance in 2018. There are based in Wellington but play once a year in both Christchurch and Auckland. They are based in a stadium which holds 30,000 people. The Aces are still working to develop a firm hold in the New Zealand sporting psyche, somewhat similar to what happened with the Swans and to a lesser extent, the Bears/Lions many years ago. A lot of other team supporters are annoyed at the draft/travel and living concessions the Aces receive from the AFL, but the AFL are adamant about the presence of an AFL side in New Zealand following significant growth in footy participation in NZ in the last two decades. The Aces are allowed to exclusively recruit any NZ-born player without that player having to go through the draft, which angers many. At the moment, 15 players on the Aces squad are New Zealand born along with 5 Samoans, 2 Tongans and three Fijians.

more to come in the next post ...
 
So, the teams are:

West Coast Eagles
Fremantle Dockers
Adelaide Crows
Port Adelaide Power
Sydney Swans
Brisbane Lions
Collingwood Magpies
Carlton Blues
Essendon Bombers
Melbourne Demons
Gold Coast Kangaroos
Richmond Tigers
West Sydney Bulldogs
Tasmania Hawks
Southeast Saints (changed their name from St Kilda in 2011)
Geelong Cats
Perth Pirates
NZ Aces
Canberra Bushrangers
North Australia Alliance

The 20 teams play each team once in a 19 round season with a final eight system remaining as it has unchanged in over 25 years. The way the home and away system is worked out is that the top 10 teams from the previous season receive only 9 home games and 10 away games, whereas the bottom 10 teams from the previous season receive 10 home games and 9 away games in a way to stabilise the league and help struggling clubs financially and on the field. The home and away system is also on a two year basis, whereas if team A plays team B at team A's home one year, the next year the match between team A and B is played at team B's home.

There is a split round halfway during the competition. The AFL encourages teams to play matches at a developing market overseas by playing airfare and accommodation for teams which elect to play a match overseas during this round (provided the other team agrees). The AFL is able to do this due to the money they receive from cable TV and Internet subscriptions. The Asia-Pacific region, notably China, Japan, and to a lesser extent, India, have taken a liking to AFL in the last 10 years, greatly pleasing the AFL. During the split round, the bottom 10 teams from the previous season all have 'home' games, and receive 75% of all profits from the overseas game while their opponents receive 25%. Not too many teams take up this offer, however the Kangaroos when able to play (ie. provided they are one of the bototm 10 teams, the season before), host a match in Japan, as the Kangaroos are Japan's most supported side due to having a uniquely Australian animal as their mascot and the large Japanese presence in the Gold Coast. Several teams however readily agree to pre-season cup and trial matches overseas due to the money generated by these matches. Carlton now days based themselves in Guangzhou, China for a month each year during the off-season, playing a couple matches there which are a great success. The Dockers also base themselves for a month in Cape Town each year during summer; and the Swans in Southern California, largely due to former coach, Paul Roos establishing links there over 15 years ago.

Australian football has continued to grow internationally since the 90s largely thanks to the Internet. Aussie Rules scouts operate in over 30 countries across Asia-Pacific, Africa, North America, and Europe these days. Approximately 10% of the AFL playing list is foreign-born with New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, South Africa, Ireland, the US and Denmark the leading the list. The AFL was excited this year to have the first Indian-born, India-raised AFL recruit, and are pleased with the growing numbers of Chinese players joining the ranks. China, now with a much larger middle class has taken to sports and thanks to cable TV and the Internet, Aussie Rules is developing a niche follwing with clubs and league sprouting throughout the country.

Aussie Rules is the most followed football code in Australia. Soccer is next, followed by Rugby Union. Rugby League is still popular in most of its heartlands but has never made any significant growth outside its heartlands.
 
^Most of that would be pretty nice. Wishful thinking though, but i guess i can be fun to dream.
 

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Prefer the 16 team 28 round season (no pre season comp) with 6 on the limited interchange bench.

Tassie Hawks is a myth - funny how opposition supporters just don't get it.

but nice work all the same.
 
The Tassie Hawks are based at GM Holden Hyperdome in Launceston, though still play four games a year at Samsung Stadium in SE Melbourne. The Hyperdome has a capacity 35,000 these days after considerable redevelopment over the years. The Hawks made Tasmania their base in 2011, following their flag in 2009.

Because the club's supporters would vote for the club to relocate after a flag! :rolleyes: If it is Samsung Stadium (a former major sponsor of the hawks) - most of our support is out that way - wouldnt we be based there?

You have quite an imagination...
 
A couple of comments.

1. Ford have sponsered Geelong for 82 years. A couple of years ago when they pulled out of all of their sporting sponsorships in Australia, they kept one and that was with the GFC. Seeing Ford has been heavily investing in both the Football Club and the City (with transforming the Geelong plant to a technology centre) I doubt Kardina Park, or a ground Geelong play at, be called Mitsubishi Park. It would be great to see fans sit in the Ford Stand at Mitsubishi Park.

2. Why would Geelong relocate to Werribee? What would be gained by that? If Geelong moved it would be interstate not to Werribee. Werribee may be growing well but you have to remember that if Werribee is growing well, it has a flood on effect to the northern suburbs of Geelong - which are 15 minutes away. Population growth in areas around Geelong such as the Surfcoast which had 7.7% population growth last year means that Geelong's population is expanding. The city itself has about 300,000 people. More than Hobart, Launceston, Darwin, Townsville, Cairns etc. Geelong has a 40,000 house suburb planned and in the hands of developers on the way to Torquay. Its growing and will grow fast once that kicks in. By that time anyway, Weribee will be engulfed and the Northern Suburbs of Geelong will be close to connecting to the South-West Subutbs of Melbourne. I think by that stage Melbourne will be the biggest city in Australia because it will engulf places like Werribee and Geelong (which both aren't included in Melbourne's population).
 
Geelong are based essentially a Melbourne side these days with their administration and training base at Werribee. They now only play two games a year at Mitsubishi Park (Kardinia Park), one being during the Heritage round and the other against a low drawing side, usually against the North Australia Alliance.

what a load of crapola....get a life
 
2025 isn't far away. 1 Gold Coast team, 1 new WA team and arguments about 1 new NSW and Adeladie team and whether North are to be the NSW team. All existing clubs will be there in 2025. 2025 is near the end of 2 new TV contracts time span.

Collingwood, Essendon, WCE and Adelaide will be making $8m each in a bad year with a spending cap and the AFL will be very concerned about their clout and reserves.
 
Because the club's supporters would vote for the club to relocate after a flag! :rolleyes: If it is Samsung Stadium (a former major sponsor of the hawks) - most of our support is out that way - wouldnt we be based there?

You have quite an imagination...

If hawks had a se stadium, tassie would just be a place we poach players from. simple as that.

In the other hand, hawks had a shock after the 2009 flag. excitment machine Lance 'buddy' franklin resigned form AFL altogether. He is now the worlds top sportsman having reched the top in Soccer, basketball, rugby, Athletics, NFL, Boxing among others.these days he has slowed down but will continue his golf career till he is 44.
 

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By 2011 he games rule's committee will have implemented the final change to convert the game into something resembling netball and basketball. The code will be softer than a Richmond intra-club match, controlled by 6 field umpires and 4 goal umpires.

And I will have jumped off the game forever and make do with watching my boxed DVD set of North Melbourne's 6 x VFL/AFL premierships or find something else to do with my weekends.
 
Naturally, I'd keep the Hawks as Hawthorn. I'd get rid of the NZ aces and iether have a stand-alone Tasmanian side or a third SA side. Also I wouldn't have clubs from ACT and NT.

If we had 18 teams, I'd split them into two leagues(assuming a tasmanian side):

National Football League - Two SA teams, Three WA Teams, two NSW teams, two qld teams

West Coast Eagles
Fremantle Dockers
Perth Pirates
Adelaide Crows
Port Adelaide Power
Sydney Swans
West Sydney Bulldogs
Brisbane Lions
Gold Coast Kangaroos

Australian Football League - 1 tas team, eight vic sides

Collingwood Magpies
Carlton Blues
Essendon Bombers
Melbourne Demons
Richmond Tigers
Hawthorn Hawks
St. Kilda Saints
Geelong Cats
Tasmania

A 25-round season could be played (play twice each team in own coference and once each team in opposit conference).

The top four in each conference could then contest the final eight under current arrangements with each side ranked on win-loss-percentage
 
Naturally, I'd keep the Hawks as Hawthorn.

Unless you tell me the Hawks will move to Tassie, your post has no credability.

Sydney and Hawks fans on this board, have an obsession on moving Kangas and Dogs, piss off and talk about real issues.
 

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Unless you tell me the Hawks will move to Tassie, your post has no credability.

Sydney and Hawks fans on this board, have an obsession on moving Kangas and Dogs, piss off and talk about real issues.

You are a tool. I was merely extending on what was originally posted. I personally don't see an 18-team or 20-team competition in 2025, nor do a see a conference structure.

This may sound harsh, but from my perspective I couldn't give two hoots whether the Kangaroos or Bulldogs stay in Melbourne, relocate, mergeror just go under - that's your concern not mine. I have no empathy with any club (Victorian or otherwise) that can't keep its house in order.

No doubt I will be lambasted for this opinion, however all I care about is my club, just as long as I am comfortable with where my club is at, than the parasitic bulldogs and kangaroos can go under for all I care.

So don't get so touchy - unfortunately in your case I think the truth hurts, however as sure as night turns to day, the AFL's attention will shift to the Western Bulldogs once they have got there way with the Kangaroos.
 
You're a loser.

Brilliant comment. :rolleyes:

I enjoyed that. The prospect of having footy teams all over Oz would be great, but probably not realistic. I do agree with your comments about the Asian market, which is by and large very untapped by the AFL.
 
I am sick of you stupid Sydney pricks (like you and MickDog and all the others up there) that keep talking about my club going to that grubby ****ta City.

Believe me it ain't going to happen.

Wow ...

I enjoyed the read, I thought it was good, solid and quite funny as well.

You on the other hand need to settle the **** down and grow up. There was no need for that !!
 
So don't get so touchy - unfortunately in your case I think the truth hurts, however as sure as night turns to day, the AFL's attention will shift to the Western Bulldogs once they have got there way with the Kangaroos.

Don't get touchy:mad: Well now I know your real agenda.

I will stop getting mad when ********s on this board stop talking about my club and talk about the fortunates of their own club.
 
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Wow ...

I enjoyed the read, I thought it was good, solid and quite funny as well.

You on the other hand need to settle the **** down and grow up. There was no need for that !!

Ok, lets start 10 threads ( and believe me there probably more than 10) about moving clubs and we will only talk about the Gold Coast Saints or Western Sydney Saints and see how you and your supporters will like it and see how mature they are.

Is it a deal?
 
Don't get touchy:mad: Well now I know your real agenda.

I will stop getting mad when ********s on this board stop talking about my club and talk about the fortunates of their own club.

Well I think it happens to all of us, that. Although in your case I think I can see why you are so touchy, coz that particular scenario is not that far out of the realms of possibility.

A good read, all the same.
 

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