i thought Hutchie was terrible for AFL when he did only AFL.
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AFL overtaking NRL in QLD
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i thought Hutchie was terrible for AFL when he did only AFL.
So he’s using the compelling data as a reason to give AFL more attention up north, but doesn’t use the data as a reason to “ram them Storm down people’s throat”?
Got it.
He bends to the sooking of league fans texting in to the station on Sydney radio any time the afl is mentioned (vossy himself has mentioned this multiple times). That's what I mean by he let the noisy minority win.
On the other hand afl fans in Melbourne are typically ambivalent to the storm, so they don't get negative texts when interviewing or discussing the game.
Hutchie has been trying to get accepted in Sydney for his business and not wanting to come across as an afl man, so has over corrected and become a sycophant. It's not that hard to understand and see if you've ever looked at their streaming uploads, listened to the station across the different cities, or been online. He has even had multiple question on his Hutchie and Damo podcast about this and blatantly lied his way outta it.
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It is absolutely incredible how you dismiss survey data that has solid methodology suggesting that over a million people supporting the Storm yet you offer this as a sort of counter evidence (your observation of the level of engagement of watching on TV)
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"support" is NOT "interest". "Interest" can be and usually is, on a sliding scale.
"solid methodology" is a survey and a survey depends on on the question and the questions can be meaningless.
Surveys aren't even up to ratings where by they go to expense of installing monitors.
The facts are that your can accurately measure support - attendances, memberships, sponsorships, merchandise.
Ratings can give you a relative measure but not an absolute measure. Ratings can be easily manipulated and misrepresented.
" Roy Morgan Research has confirmed the Swans are once again the most widely supported AFL team in Australia for the 18th consecutive year." What does this mean ? In effect it means
A survey by the Roy Morgan company has determined that the Sydney Swans are once again the AFL team in Australia for the 18th consecutive year that has the widest level of all round interest that people have have interpreted as interest..
The mental cartwheels going on in this thread are baffling.
Hang on, so the storm with a bullshit claim of 1.18 mill fans should have decent coverage on sen Melbourne, but the swans with over 1.3 mill fans on the same survey, in addition to the giants few hundred k fans from Sydney in the survey too, don't deserve any air time on sen Sydney, coz footy isn't popular enough there?
You've just proved my point exactly. Even the data you pulled out to prove why the storm should get decent sen Melbourne coverage, proves that Hutchie's afl blackout in Sydney is in fact due to folding to the sooking of leagiues up there. All the relevant metrics show it is therefore an unfair decision made by a groveling sycophant.
threenewpadlocks
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When did I ever say or suggest this? You're putting words in my mouth, so no wonder you're not being taken seriously.
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I'm not sure Hutchy gives a **** one way or the other
Hutchy is trying to make money
Ratings are money
Hutchy has to bend over to listeners
Money talks
I could be wrong. Just how I view it.
Hutchy is trying to make money
Ratings are money
Hutchy has to bend over to listeners
Money talks
I could be wrong. Just how I view it.
Well you started the whole argument by stating that hutchie is a businessman, as justification as to why he puts barely any afl content on sen Sydney.
Then claimed the justification for storm getting a decent amount of content on sen Melbourne, is due to having over 1 million fans, as per the Roy Morgan poll.
The same poll has about 1.5 mill swans and giants fans in Sydney, which is significantly more, that's not even accounting for all the other data points that prove there are many more afl followers in Sydney, than nrl in Melbourne.
So it basically proved my point, that hutchie is groveling to the anti afl/nrl mob in Sydney and become a turncoat to the sport that he made his name in. It's very obvious when you see that even minnows like baseball and ice hockey get more coverage than the biggest sport in the country on sen 1170.
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Not sure how you know how people are engaged in nrl of watching at home? Also teams are very tribal in nrl and close with their community no way sharks will take a game from their locals to a bigger stadium that's 40 minutes away.
"It has been my observation over decades that television sets in Sydney are invariably on and NRL is indeed playing
but i rarely see Sydney people really engaged in watching NRL."
What part of "observation" do you not understand ?
which makes an absolute joke of your preceding statement
"40 minutes" would be quite a respectable travelling time for most AFL fans.
Is time travelling to a stadium just another metric where AFL fans are so much more involved ?
Surprised no one has posted this in here. The AFL is now publicly discussing a third team in Queensland, likely based in Brisbane. If that doesn't show you that the AFL believes Aussie rules is growing at a tremendous rate in QLD then I don't know what will. A QLD3 team as the 20th licence ahead of all the other options would make a huge statement in terms of the way the AFL views Queensland, both now and going forward. I'd imagine this third Queensland would likely share tenancy with the Lions at the new 50-60k Olympic stadium and probably play a game or two in the Sunny Coast to serve that northern corridor that is currently being under utilised.
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It's like "watching" the news while having dinner, or an MTV music channel on while doing the house work. It's on, but you're not actually watching it, allegedly.
Surprised no one has posted this in here. The AFL is now publicly discussing a third team in Queensland, likely based in Brisbane. If that doesn't show you that the AFL believes Aussie rules is growing at a tremendous rate in QLD then I don't know what will. A QLD3 team as the 20th licence ahead of all the other options would make a huge statement in terms of the way the AFL views Queensland, both now and going forward. I'd imagine this third Queensland would likely share tenancy with the Lions at the new 50-60k Olympic stadium and probably play a game or two in the Sunny Coast to serve that northern corridor that is currently being under utilised.
As pointed out in the other thread, he said "never say never" and the paper ran with it.
I'm all aboard SEQ3 one day, but you can't go from 35k seats a fortnight to 120k seats a fortnight that quickly.
AH Queensland, sunny one day and cyclonic the next.
Total misrepresentation. Should be WA or SA.
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Or Canberra.
No, but 35k is artificially low.
When Fremantle joined, attendances rose and when Perth Stadium was built - attendances rose again.
I'd say from 35k to 70k would be realistic.
There are even murmurs about WA3 coming from inside WA which weren't evident before.
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Well, it wouldn't be overnight. We're likely looking at a 2030-32 window for the 20th team expansion, which conincides perfectly with the 2032 Brisbane Olympics. Also, the Lions currently have 63k members and are expecting to crack 70k this year. The Gabba capacity is 35k, but in reality some of the bigger games like the Collingwood fixture on Easter Thursday would draw closer to 50k if it was played in a bigger stadium. I don't think it's unreasonable to think the Lions would average crowds between 40-50k in a bigger stadium given their current list / recent success. They even sold out the Gabba for the game against GWS last year and we all know the amount of Giants fans in Brisbane would be very minimal.
A second AFL team that draws in fans from the Sunny Coast + northern Brisbane would probably average crowds similar to the NRL's Dolphins (20-30k) at the start and then that will obviously grow once they start having on field success. The Lions averaging 45k and BNE2 averaging 25-30k in the new Olympic stadium would be totally fine and there's scope for both teams to grow much bigger than that.
Actually Brisbane 2 is on my list for team 20 just slightly behind Canberra and Perth 3. By the end of the decade it might move up or slide back.
I stated elsewhere that North Brisbane has a good grassroots base and facilities already and clubs like Aspley (who you could in fact use and call the club the North Brisbane hornets) are very big. You'd put a training base in a place like Aspley, play some games in the sunshine coast and some at the new stadium. It would be a more high risk high reward option, like gws was.
I stated elsewhere that North Brisbane has a good grassroots base and facilities already and clubs like Aspley (who you could in fact use and call the club the North Brisbane hornets) are very big. You'd put a training base in a place like Aspley, play some games in the sunshine coast and some at the new stadium. It would be a more high risk high reward option, like gws was.
That's what pretty much makes it overnight.
Team 20 will come around the same time the new stadium is ready.
You'd be chopping the new club off at the knees introducing them at the same time the Lions suddenly have 25k more seats every fortnight.
I'm a proponent of SEQ3. I think it should come in before WA3. But a massively expanded stadium, and a new team, shouldn't be done at the same time.
I don't see the negative logic - only positive logic.
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Not the worst idea. Canberra would be good for growth, and a bit of a more ‘safer’ option. Third QLD team the more high risk, high reward play - really depends if the AFL would be willing to bankroll the $$$ and the financial health of Giants and Gold Coast.
I wouldn’t like to see a third WA team. One would think team 20 would be the last new franchise for quite a long time. Hazard a guess, I think you’re looking at 2050 onwards for any extra teams. Hence why I wouldn’t want Perth for that reason - you’re putting in two new teams from already AFL established states and you could be locking out a great option like Canberra.
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