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Age Structure of AFL Lists 2006

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From http://footygeek.com/content/view/1929/83/

If you look at the table below, we can make some simple comparisons between all team lists for 2006. The first section shows how many teenagers are on each club’s primary list (excluding rookies). These guys are the future of the club, their fortunes over the next 5 years will have a significant impact on how well the club does. Richmond and Hawthorn who are pursuing a strict youth policy lead the way with Port Adelaide, somewhat surprisingly next on the list. The teams near the top of this list can be interpreted as those clubs in the rebuilding phase of the development of their lists.

The next section of the table reveals how many 20-24 year olds are on each list. The effect of Geelong’s focus on developing youth from the late 1990’s are revealed with 24 players on their list in this age group. For many of the players in this age bracket this phase of their development is very important as they are heavily scrutinised in this period by coaching staff to determine if they will stay on the list or be delisted.

Having a lot of young players does not necessarily mean that success is years away. Premierships can be won with these groups of players. The 1993 Essendon team list before the season began had seven teenagers and five 20-24 year olds that would go on to be part of the premiership team that year.






The next table shows the number of player in the 25+ age bracket, these players should be at the peak of their playing ability and given that they have survived on an AFL list to this age should be talented. This is a very important group in the sense that it should provide leadership to the youngsters in the list and in game situations be able to keep a cool head in pressure situations.








Interestingly, the two Grand Finalists from last year both sit exactly in the middle of the table below which shows the average age of each list for 2006. It is apparent that Adelaide and St Kilda both have the oldest lists in the competition indicating that they may soon get ‘too old’, so any premiership success must be achieved in the next year or two before each of these clubs has to go through a new rebuilding phase. The numbers may look like they are close but the difference between Adelaide on top and Hawthorn on the bottom is over 500 days for each player on the list. For a list of 40 players that is 20,000 extra days (around 54 years) of experience. That is significant difference.







Age is but one factor among many that guides a team’s fortunes through any particular season. However, having a gander at where your team sits amongst the other teams in terms of age hopefully provides a little perspective about where the club sits now in terms of experience.





- Ages used were current at 24th Jan 2006.
 
Good to see Geelong are the second youngest side in the comp and are serious finals contenders.
The next few seasons will be huge for the club.
 
Interesting comparing why Adelaide & St Kilda have the two oldest lists.

In St Kilda's case it's because they have three of the four oldest players in the competition, all of whom were expected to retire last year but decided to hang on for one more season in an attempt to win a flag. When these players retire at the end of '06 StK's average age can be expected to drop significantly.

In Adelaide's case it's because of the sheer number of older players (7 players aged 29 or older, as of today) most of whom are the veterans of the 97/98 premiership years. Given that Clarke is the only certain retiree (Hart a strong possibility) at the end of '06, Adelaide's list could be even older next year.
 
Statistics like these are often skewed by a couple of unusually older players such as Harvey and Thommo for the Saints. Take these two out and you will find that the Saints list becomes instantly much younger. In any case there is only 18 months difference in average age between youngest and oldest list.
Also, it is the average age of the 22 players who take the field on any given matchday that counts and that would vary from week to week.
 

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saintsrule said:
Statistics like these are often skewed by a couple of unusually older players such as Harvey and Thommo for the Saints. Take these two out and you will find that the Saints list becomes instantly much younger. In any case there is only 18 months difference in average age between youngest and oldest list.
Also, it is the average age of the 22 players who take the field on any given matchday that counts and that would vary from week to week.
Take out Ricco for the Catters. Crawford and Everitt out of the Hawks.
 
saintsrule said:
Statistics like these are often skewed by a couple of unusually older players such as Harvey and Thommo for the Saints. Take these two out and you will find that the Saints list becomes instantly much younger. In any case there is only 18 months difference in average age between youngest and oldest list.
Also, it is the average age of the 22 players who take the field on any given matchday that counts and that would vary from week to week.

Statistics are largely meaningless because there is no magic equation which means youth = good players.

We have Archer (32) and Rocca (32) who had they retired last year would have also significantly lowered our average, which is not all that high to begin with. I think the only table you really want to be high on is the 20-24 table. Too many kids means you either have not enough senior players or not enough young players of an age that are ready to move up to AFL level football to replace exiting senior players.

Port has a lot of teenagers at 12 but are also equal lowest in the 20-24 age group with 12. That gives them 24 out of 40 in terms of young players that will be there for some time. We have 28/40, but have a greater portion of them around the age where they can realistically be expected to play AFL football.

With port still having 16 players that are 25+ it means they have far less room in the short-term to fill in gaps in their side. If players go down, they are often replaced by guys that are really not ready for AFL football. Most sides play kids not ready, but as soon as you have too many the on-field performance suffers. I think it has been the main reason why Port's performances suffered last year and may continue to suffer this year if and when they can't keep their best side on the park.

We are on the low end of teenager stock, but given we have traded some early picks in the last two years it is understandble. That will balance up a bit next year, the club said it would not trade away any of its picks at the end of this year.

Overall, I am happy with our overall picture. Not too young, not too old, plenty of stock in young but not too young players. When you are talking about 28 players that have 8-10 years in them, you have all the time in the world to develop the next generation. You can turn over 40-80 players in that period of time, as long as the club doesn't leave it to the last minute and we have a good spread in the age groups then I am happy.
 
Split them into above and below KPP height too and you'll start to get some real insight as to power. Hawks M/F are in the 20-24 group but KPP are either young or 'old'

Geelong and WCE have been shown to be light on KPP. in fact i'd bet the whole 20-24 group is light for KPP
 
FootyGeek said:
From http://footygeek.com/content/view/1929/83/

If you look at the table below, we can make some simple comparisons between all team lists for 2006. The first section shows how many teenagers are on each club’s primary list (excluding rookies). These guys are the future of the club, their fortunes over the next 5 years will have a significant impact on how well the club does. Richmond and Hawthorn who are pursuing a strict youth policy lead the way with Port Adelaide, somewhat surprisingly next on the list. The teams near the top of this list can be interpreted as those clubs in the rebuilding phase of the development of their lists.

The next section of the table reveals how many 20-24 year olds are on each list. The effect of Geelong’s focus on developing youth from the late 1990’s are revealed with 24 players on their list in this age group. For many of the players in this age bracket this phase of their development is very important as they are heavily scrutinised in this period by coaching staff to determine if they will stay on the list or be delisted.

Having a lot of young players does not necessarily mean that success is years away. Premierships can be won with these groups of players. The 1993 Essendon team list before the season began had seven teenagers and five 20-24 year olds that would go on to be part of the premiership team that year.






The next table shows the number of player in the 25+ age bracket, these players should be at the peak of their playing ability and given that they have survived on an AFL list to this age should be talented. This is a very important group in the sense that it should provide leadership to the youngsters in the list and in game situations be able to keep a cool head in pressure situations.








Interestingly, the two Grand Finalists from last year both sit exactly in the middle of the table below which shows the average age of each list for 2006. It is apparent that Adelaide and St Kilda both have the oldest lists in the competition indicating that they may soon get ‘too old’, so any premiership success must be achieved in the next year or two before each of these clubs has to go through a new rebuilding phase. The numbers may look like they are close but the difference between Adelaide on top and Hawthorn on the bottom is over 500 days for each player on the list. For a list of 40 players that is 20,000 extra days (around 54 years) of experience. That is significant difference.







Age is but one factor among many that guides a team’s fortunes through any particular season. However, having a gander at where your team sits amongst the other teams in terms of age hopefully provides a little perspective about where the club sits now in terms of experience.





- Ages used were current at 24th Jan 2006.

Quailty post.
 
Richmond 14 kids (excluding rookies) :eek:

  1. Pattison, Adam - 19
  2. Raines, Andrew - 19
  3. Thursfield, Will - 19
  4. Jackson, Daniel - 19
  5. Meyer, Danny - 19
  6. Polo, Dean - 19
  7. Tambling, Richard - 19
  8. Limbach, Dean - 19
  9. Hughes, Cleve - 19
  10. McGuane, Luke - 18
  11. White, Matthew - 18
  12. Deledio, Brett - 18
  13. Casserley, Travis - 18
  14. Oakley-Nicholls, Jarrad - 17

*Deledio is the 3rd youngest player on Richmonds list!
 
Pessimistic said:
Geelong and WCE have been shown to be light on KPP. in fact i'd bet the whole 20-24 group is light for KPP
190+ 20-24 y/os

N.Ablett
Blake
Spencer
Mackie
Lonergan
Egan
Gardiner
Playfair
McCarthy
Corey

Geelong aren't light on KPP, they just vdon't have a Tredrea, Brown or Pavlich.
 
The Dogs are looking ok for age
28 & over
Grant
Smith
Johnson
West
Robbins
Montgomery

27& under
Birss
Boyd
Cross
Eaglton
Giansiracusa
Gilby
Hahn
Hargrave
Harris
McGuiness
McMahon
Morgan
Murphy R
Morris
Power
Skipper
Street


22yrs and under
Cooney
Faulkner
Griffen
Minson
Murphy
Power
Ray
Walsh
Yet to play McCormack
Williams
Higgins
Wight
Wells
West
Davidson
 

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Great effort Footygeek. Obviously put a lot of effort into the research and was a good read. However after all the facts and figures the difference between the average age of the "oldest" and "youngest" lists in the competition is 1.5 years.

I cant help but ask myself, what's the point?

Player development is the key, not the number of players in a arbitrary group (i.e. 20-24). For example at the start of last year I predicted my team (crows) to finish in the bottom 4. The reason being we had a lot of "old" players and didnt seem to have many young players developing.

12 months later our old players didnt lose any form but about 5 of our young players really developed (Rutten, bock, Thompson, Mattner, Hentchel, Skipworth). That development whether it be at age 17, 22, 24, 28 etc was the reason for the teams improvement.
 
Tas said:
Statistics are largely meaningless because there is no magic equation which means youth = good players.

We have Archer (32) and Rocca (32) who had they retired last year would have also significantly lowered our average, which is not all that high to begin with. I think the only table you really want to be high on is the 20-24 table. Too many kids means you either have not enough senior players or not enough young players of an age that are ready to move up to AFL level football to replace exiting senior players.

Port has a lot of teenagers at 12 but are also equal lowest in the 20-24 age group with 12. That gives them 24 out of 40 in terms of young players that will be there for some time. We have 28/40, but have a greater portion of them around the age where they can realistically be expected to play AFL football.

With port still having 16 players that are 25+ it means they have far less room in the short-term to fill in gaps in their side. If players go down, they are often replaced by guys that are really not ready for AFL football. Most sides play kids not ready, but as soon as you have too many the on-field performance suffers. I think it has been the main reason why Port's performances suffered last year and may continue to suffer this year if and when they can't keep their best side on the park.

We are on the low end of teenager stock, but given we have traded some early picks in the last two years it is understandble. That will balance up a bit next year, the club said it would not trade away any of its picks at the end of this year.

Overall, I am happy with our overall picture. Not too young, not too old, plenty of stock in young but not too young players. When you are talking about 28 players that have 8-10 years in them, you have all the time in the world to develop the next generation. You can turn over 40-80 players in that period of time, as long as the club doesn't leave it to the last minute and we have a good spread in the age groups then I am happy.
So am I must say...Those stats sort of put paid to our 'ageing list' theory...
 
mark73 said:
So am I must say...Those stats sort of put paid to our 'ageing list' theory...

Well, yes and no.

We do not have an old side although we currently have a higher dependancy on our 25+ age group than most other clubs. We probably have fewer under 25s performing well or consistantly at senior level than most sides, but that has probably got a lot to do with more limited opportunities. The next year or two will give us a pretty good indication if the early 20s group is good enough to replace what is going to depart or if we need to do a lot more development work to cover the loss.

But, our list in 2006 is significantly stronger than the list we had in Pagan's last few years.
 
coasting said:
Now we don't have to listen to Blues fans making excuses about having the youngest team in the comp.
Get over your pettiness, nobody cares.

Youngest list is more a hope for the future than an excuse for the present anyway.
 

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Bestbird said:
It is a shame the original post didn't include a 28 and over tally as well

:D

as of today:

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cypher, I saw your post before and I love the avatar, I really must visit that site one day. ;)
 
FootyGeek said:
:D

as of today:

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cypher, I saw your post before and I love the avatar, I really must visit that site one day. ;)

lol our 'ageing' list is equal 4th lowest in fewest 28+ players. It is pretty funny, seeing the Hawks with more old farts than us.
 

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