Society/Culture Alex Pearce supports Palestine/promotes terrorism depending who you ask

[CM86]

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Ta da.

Oh ok.
The trap was exposing you for not knowing what you're talking about.

Fair enough, well done not taking the 'bait'.

 

[ReturningHawk]

It’s an argument that has been made here before and I just don’t agree with it. Alex retweeting Kneecap is a minor act in the grand scheme of things. But it’s a mistake that we should expect our peers and especially our role models to not make.

People are dying and your worried about tweets!? Well, yes I actually do worry about people losing their sense of right and wrong when a crisis on the other side of the world is unfolding.

I’m glad to hear from you though mate

You too, thanks.


It's deeper than that.
It's a band that is anti-'things'.
Like, anti-colonialism etc. Their claim to fame was about the reunification of Ireland, which has clear implications of support for the IRA etc.
So them calling out support against the IDF, and in support of resistant groups is their marketing. They don't know what the **** they're talking about or what's actually happening. They're just standing for what they believe is 'right'.
And that follows through with Pearce. He's 'anti-establishment'.

There is so much misinformation, how do you know what's good or bad anymore?
There are people in this thread who can't condemn Hezbollah... And they spend most of their life online.


The point is, Kneecap is a wannabe RATM, without the grounding, understanding or reasoning behind it.
It doesn't mean they are terrorists, or that people without any understanding that support them are terrorists.

Yes, they should be condemned, yes they shouldn't be idolised for it.
But they're not evil or terrorists. Their uneducated position is noble.

The problem is, how do we break this divisive rhetoric and get more people to engage with the facts and available information?

There are a lot of people who believe that they are 'the movement'. Which means that anything they think, is fact, and anything that opposes them is genocidal behaviour.
They're no longer pro-Palestine, they're just pro-themselves.

I hope you're well.

Keep on opining about Kneecap guys, don’t let the daily reports of new war crimes in Gaza distract you. After all, Alex Pearce was clearly pledging his support for kneecap, the references to Gaza were incidental.

 

[CM86]

Keep on opining about Kneecap guys, don’t let the daily reports of new war crimes in Gaza distract you. After all, Alex Pearce was clearly pledging his support for kneecap, the references to Gaza were incidental.

That's not fair, and is a total mischaracterisation of my position.

I don't think Pearce should have any harassment for his repost.
In general I'd say I support Pearce's position.

 

[ReturningHawk]

That's not fair, and is a total mischaracterisation of my position.

I don't think Pearce should have any harassment for his repost.
In general I'd say I support Pearce's position.

I’m glad to hear it. This entire thread has been predictably de-railed by those who would prefer to chit chat over the behaviour of kneecap, past and present. In terms of the story about Alex Pearce, Australian and global media, Gaza and Israel, it’s just irrelevant. Whatever your weird axe to grind is about "RATM wannabees", and implying that Irish reunification is (for some reason) an inherently dangerous idea, is also irrelevant. It's like the rest Australian public who, in the face of war-mongering from the world's most powerful nations, Australian allies violating international law on a daily basis, and threats of crippling tarrifs from our closest economic ally, and an unprecedented shift of state power into the hands of tech corporations, chooses to inform themselves by reading articles about a woman who cooked poisonous mushrooms.

Anyone who speaks out to suggest that the media isn't paying enough attention to these things should have our gratitude. When the mechanism of the pro-Israel lobby's presence in the mainstream media comes down like a tonne of bricks on those people, we owe it to them to stay on topic. Pearce, Lattouf - anyone who spoke out could expect the same treatment. Thankfully it's starting to change.

 

[Dockeroo]

I’m glad to hear it. This entire thread has been predictably de-railed by those who would prefer to chit chat over the behaviour of kneecap, past and present. In terms of the story about Alex Pearce, Australian and global media, Gaza and Israel, it’s just irrelevant. Whatever your weird axe to grind is about "RATM wannabees", and implying that Irish reunification is (for some reason) an inherently dangerous idea, is also irrelevant. It's like the rest Australian public who, in the face of war-mongering from the world's most powerful nations, Australian allies violating international law on a daily basis, and threats of crippling tarrifs from our closest economic ally, and an unprecedented shift of state power into the hands of tech corporations, chooses to inform themselves by reading articles about a woman who cooked poisonous mushrooms.

Anyone who speaks out to suggest that the media isn't paying enough attention to these things should have our gratitude. When the mechanism of the pro-Israel lobby's presence in the mainstream media comes down like a tonne of bricks on those people, we owe it to them to stay on topic. Pearce, Lattouf - anyone who spoke out could expect the same treatment. Thankfully it's starting to change.

Laughable that some people here are still stuck in a seventies mindset around irish unification.
It’s inevitable in some form in the next 20 years or so. Even some unionists in the north are beginning to admit that now and discuss the idea.
Mainland British people would give Northern Ireland back to the irish tomorrow morning if they could - even the Tories see it as an irritation nowadays.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

So them calling out support against the IDF, and in support of resistant groups is their marketing. They don't know what the **** they're talking about or what's actually happening. They're just standing for what they believe is 'right'.
And that follows through with Pearce. He's 'anti-establishment'.

I think it's very easy to say others don't know what they're talking about or what's actually happening, though it has the obvious implication that by contrast, you do. Do you? If so, how do you know?

 

[CM86]

I think it's very easy to say others don't know what they're talking about or what's actually happening, though it has the obvious implication that by contrast, you do. Do you? If so, how do you know?

Sorry, my bad.
They know exactly what they are doing, and they have a reason for it.
Even though the statements they've made since and prior support my view.

Ok let me correct the record.
Kneecap are literally calling for the deaths of civilians, MPs and all past and present members of the IDF mandatory service.
They support Hezbollah, and all of Hezbollah's actions in Syria.
By extension, anyone who supports of defends Kneecap is also completely supportive of Hezbollah's actions in Syria.
Thank you all for removing the nuance and helping me to see the light.


Based on this information I no longer support Kneecap, and I condemn Pearce for supporting this group.

 

[CM86]

I’m glad to hear it. This entire thread has been predictably de-railed by those who would prefer to chit chat over the behaviour of kneecap, past and present. In terms of the story about Alex Pearce, Australian and global media, Gaza and Israel, it’s just irrelevant. Whatever your weird axe to grind is about "RATM wannabees", and implying that Irish reunification is (for some reason) an inherently dangerous idea, is also irrelevant. It's like the rest Australian public who, in the face of war-mongering from the world's most powerful nations, Australian allies violating international law on a daily basis, and threats of crippling tarrifs from our closest economic ally, and an unprecedented shift of state power into the hands of tech corporations, chooses to inform themselves by reading articles about a woman who cooked poisonous mushrooms.

Anyone who speaks out to suggest that the media isn't paying enough attention to these things should have our gratitude. When the mechanism of the pro-Israel lobby's presence in the mainstream media comes down like a tonne of bricks on those people, we owe it to them to stay on topic. Pearce, Lattouf - anyone who spoke out could expect the same treatment. Thankfully it's starting to change.

I can't believe you're wasting time talking about posters and posts while there is a literal genocide going on in Gaza!

Maybe try to spend more time focusing on real issues, like the genocide in Gaza, rather than de-railing this thread with discussion around Kneecap and Pearce.

 

[CM86]

Laughable that some people here are still stuck in a seventies mindset around irish unification.
It’s inevitable in some form in the next 20 years or so. Even some unionists in the north are beginning to admit that now and discuss the idea.
Mainland British people would give Northern Ireland back to the irish tomorrow morning if they could - even the Tories see it as an irritation nowadays.

Who in this thread is opposed to the reunification of Ireland?
It's not me... As I was using Kneecaps pro-reunification stance to justify their other positions.

 

[ElectricG]

Imagine the furtherest position on the left.
Then take a telescope and look further left.
If you squint, you might see me.

does this mean jihadist terrorism is left wing? Finally someone admits it

 

[ReturningHawk]

does this mean jihadist terrorism is left wing? Finally someone admits it

Leftists are jihadists, some of your finest work there.

 

[ElectricG]

Leftists are jihadists, some of your finest work there.

His words not mine brother

 

[Demons09]

Leftists are jihadists, some of your finest work there.

If he means Antifa he’s spot on.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Sorry, my bad.
They know exactly what they are doing, and they have a reason for it.
Even though the statements they've made since and prior support my view.

Ok let me correct the record.
Kneecap are literally calling for the deaths of civilians, MPs and all past and present members of the IDF mandatory service.
They support Hezbollah, and all of Hezbollah's actions in Syria.
By extension, anyone who supports of defends Kneecap is also completely supportive of Hezbollah's actions in Syria.
Thank you all for removing the nuance and helping me to see the light.


Based on this information I no longer support Kneecap, and I condemn Pearce for supporting this group.

Well done, would you like some applause for your melodrama?

 

[CM86]

Well done, would you like some applause for your melodrama?

After you, you were in line before me...

 

[CM86]

I’m glad to hear it. This entire thread has been predictably de-railed by those who would prefer to chit chat over the behaviour of kneecap, past and present. In terms of the story about Alex Pearce, Australian and global media, Gaza and Israel, it’s just irrelevant. Whatever your weird axe to grind is about "RATM wannabees", and implying that Irish reunification is (for some reason) an inherently dangerous idea, is also irrelevant. It's like the rest Australian public who, in the face of war-mongering from the world's most powerful nations, Australian allies violating international law on a daily basis, and threats of crippling tarrifs from our closest economic ally, and an unprecedented shift of state power into the hands of tech corporations, chooses to inform themselves by reading articles about a woman who cooked poisonous mushrooms.

Anyone who speaks out to suggest that the media isn't paying enough attention to these things should have our gratitude. When the mechanism of the pro-Israel lobby's presence in the mainstream media comes down like a tonne of bricks on those people, we owe it to them to stay on topic. Pearce, Lattouf - anyone who spoke out could expect the same treatment. Thankfully it's starting to change.

Laughable that some people here are still stuck in a seventies mindset around irish unification.
It’s inevitable in some form in the next 20 years or so. Even some unionists in the north are beginning to admit that now and discuss the idea.
Mainland British people would give Northern Ireland back to the irish tomorrow morning if they could - even the Tories see it as an irritation nowadays.

I think it's very easy to say others don't know what they're talking about or what's actually happening, though it has the obvious implication that by contrast, you do. Do you? If so, how do you know?

It's so exhausting, annoying and dishonest when I see this kind of thing.

I've been on these forums for 15 years, promoting progressive ideology. I take feedback and engage with it.

I make a reasonable post, where I show my logic and thinking. And instead of 'the left' engaging with it, or correcting it, or redirecting where my logic has mislead me...
I'm just insulted and misattributed.

I'm literally arguing why Kneecap shouldn't be restricted and why Pearce shouldn't face repercussions.
And the response is to act like I'm some Israeli shill promoting harassment and calling for Kneecap to be banned. Like I'm some deep undercover operative.

I get the same level of charitability and engagement from MAGAts.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It's so exhausting, annoying and dishonest when I see this kind of thing.

I've been on these forums for 15 years, promoting progressive ideology. I take feedback and engage with it.

Based on that, do you think people shouldn't comment when they disagree with you or seek clarification?

I make a reasonable post, where I show my logic and thinking. And instead of 'the left' engaging with it, or correcting it, or redirecting where my logic has mislead me...
I'm just insulted and misattributed.

I'd argue reasonableness is in the eye of the beholder, and you're responding with sarcasm rather than in good faith to clarify your stance.

I'm literally arguing why Kneecap shouldn't be restricted and why Pearce shouldn't face repercussions.
And the response is to act like I'm some Israeli shill promoting harassment and calling for Kneecap to be banned. Like I'm some deep undercover operative.

I get the same level of charitability and engagement from MAGAts.

Not a single one of those posts suggested you were an Israeli shill. Perhaps take a breather and come back and look at it with fresh eyes. Possibly then you could see why the posts above attracted certain types of responses.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

After you, you were in line before me...

What specifically did I say that was melodramatic?

 

[CM86]

It's so exhausting, annoying and dishonest when I see this kind of thing.

I've been on these forums for 15 years, promoting progressive ideology. I take feedback and engage with it.

Based on that, do you think people shouldn't comment when they disagree with you or seek clarification?

Literally the opposite... If you could slow down and actually engage with what I'm saying for a moment, you might have seen where I wrote the opposite of what you claimed...

I make a reasonable post, where I show my logic and thinking.

I'd argue reasonableness is in the eye of the beholder, and you're responding with sarcasm rather than in good faith to clarify your stance.

You're right. I believed I was putting out a reasonable position based on my logic and thinking...
I wouldn't just be deliberately making unreasonable posts or positions that go against my line of thinking or logic...
Is that something you'd do? Make unreasonable posts, knowing they're unreasonable?

Again, rather than engage with what I've literally said, you're just trying to cut me down at my legs for some perceived slight.

I get the same level of charitability and engagement from MAGAts.

Not a single one of those posts suggested you were an Israeli shill. Perhaps take a breather and come back and look at it with fresh eyes. Possibly then you could see why the posts above attracted certain types of responses.

Maybe we should both take a breather, and come back?

What specifically did I say that was melodramatic?

Well done, would you like some applause for your melodrama?

This is melodramatic.
You're attacking me not for my posts, my positions or my intent, but by the perception of it, and the response from other posters.

If you can't give me enough charitability to even read my posts, how can we possibly engage?

 

[Number37]

Oh ok.
The trap was exposing you for not knowing what you're talking about.

Fair enough, well done not taking the 'bait'.

Thanks

 

[Number37]

Based on this information I no longer support Kneecap, and I condemn Pearce for supporting this group.

You aren't fooling anyone.
You never supported Kneecap and it sounds like you support what the mandatory service IDF are doing in Gaza.

 

[CM86]

You aren't fooling anyone.
You never supported Kneecap and it sounds like you support what the mandatory service IDF are doing in Gaza.

Good points, well made.

Thanks for engaging with the substance of my argument.

Death to the IDF.

 

[Number37]

Good points, well made.

Thanks for engaging with the substance of my argument.

Death to the IDF.

You don't have an argument.
You are far too busy making up what other people are saying or what they think.

 

[CM86]

You don't have an argument.
You are far too busy making up what other people are saying or what they think.

Can you give an example?

 

[Gough]

It must be just a coincidence that whenever public opinion looks like turning against what's happening in Gaza Jewish venues get attacked.