Society/Culture Alex Pearce supports Palestine/promotes terrorism depending who you ask

[Carn The Berries]

I largely agree with those. But I think your actual position is to just cop October 7 on the chin and not start a war in the first place.

Where have I ever said that. You can't expect to perpetrate something like October 7th without some sort of response.

Killing 60,000 civilians and destroying almost every building in Gaza (while denying those who remain any access to basic essentials) isn't the way to do it though.

And let's not pretend that Israel hadn't been waging war on Hamas and the Palestinian people prior to October 7th. Have you seen how many "prisoners" have been released as part of hostage negotiations? Many of whom were being held without charge.

 

[ReturningHawk]

But which notable people are celebrating the death of innocent Palestinians? I haven’t seen anyone do that.

Start with the most notable person in the world.

 

[evolved2]

I don’t want him “censored”, but it was right that he was called out for reposting terrorist lovers.

Progressives love to play that game. On another thread, a progressive poster called cancel culture "consequences".

I have zero sympathy for people getting censored/cancelled for holding progressive views. FAFO.

 

[Mofra]

I'm not entirely convinced that not wanting innocent civilians to be killed is somehow a political/ progressive position.

Once upon a time it was just called "normal".

 

[EconomicDecline]

Hamas, on the other hand, is a political and religious project dedicated to an undying, racist hatred of Jews and wanting them dead. They want maximal civilian death of the Jews, and maximal civilian death of their own people. If they had the same military as arsenal they would be doing much, much worse things. You can’t accuse them of war crimes, because the things they set out to do are the same things we call war crimes.

Literally describing Israel

 

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since the drama started.

(EDIT: counted 55 since 13 April about his Palestine post)

Him and Ronny Lerner should get off the internet and touch grass.

 

[King Huskii]

The world will never be free from war until it's too late for humankind.

Too many sociopaths in high power.

 

[Gethelred]

You don’t see the same celebrating of civilian casualties on the other side of the aisle. When that happens I’ll happily agree that it’s bad.

... social media has, since the genocide began, been absolutely littered with examples of Israeli citizens making insta reels of palestinian dead and flippantly referring to the deaths of palestinians.

What the utter **** are you talking about?

 

[ElectricG]

... social media has, since the genocide began, been absolutely littered with examples of Israeli citizens making insta reels of palestinian dead and flippantly referring to the deaths of palestinians.

What the utter **** are you talking about?

Well, I haven’t seen it. And I haven’t seen the celebration of Palestinian deaths in mainstream discussions.

 

[Gethelred]

Well, I haven’t seen it. And I haven’t seen the celebration of Palestinian deaths in mainstream discussions.

... really?

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/locals-cheer-bombing-from-sderot-cinema-as-israel-steps-up-attacks-on-hamas-in-gaza-strip/news-story/3138096459fa8189f349c033cef820c3

 

[schneebly111]

Well, I haven’t seen it. And I haven’t seen the celebration of Palestinian deaths in mainstream discussions.

 

[ElectricG]

... really?

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/locals-cheer-bombing-from-sderot-cinema-as-israel-steps-up-attacks-on-hamas-in-gaza-strip/news-story/3138096459fa8189f349c033cef820c3

Well that is certainly weird, but the person they did ask said they were there to see Hamas destroyed. And it’s not “mainstream discussion”, it’s a bunch of individuals who took deck chairs to the top of a hill.

Those videos are sick. But I have never seen content like that. You’re always going to be able unearth that type of thing when we are talking about a country at war. To find attitudes celebrating the death of Israeli Jews, I barely need to look further than bigfooty.

 

[Gethelred]

Well that is certainly weird, but the person they did ask said they were there to see Hamas destroyed. And it’s not “mainstream discussion”, it’s a bunch of individuals who took deck chairs to the top of a hill.

Those videos are sick. But I have never seen content like that. You’re always going to be able unearth that type of thing when we are talking about a country at war. To find attitudes celebrating the death of Israeli Jews, I barely need to look further than bigfooty.

You said this:

You don’t see the same celebrating of civilian casualties on the other side of the aisle. When that happens I’ll happily agree that it’s bad.

... and now when confronted with evidence that it indeed happened on the Israeli side, you attempt to move the goalposts?

This is pretty... ugly, ElectricG. It's getting into justification of genocide territory, if we weren't there already.

 

[ElectricG]

You said this:

... and now when confronted with evidence that it indeed happened on the Israeli side, you attempt to move the goalposts?

This is pretty... ugly, ElectricG. It's getting into justification of genocide territory, if we weren't there already.

Okay, look. Your people on the hill watching bombs are at the very least insensitive and bad. Probably enjoying murder of civilians but just not saying it. The people in the videos the other dude linked are overtly bad.

The point I am trying to make it I have never encountered these attitudes in anyone I’ve interacted with or even seen in “the comments sections”. Where as on the other hand, the notion that October 7 was justified is almost impossible to avoid.

 

[schneebly111]

Those videos are sick. But I have never seen content like that.

Search for “Israelis mock Palestinians” and there are hundreds of them. You don’t have to look look hard

To find attitudes celebrating the death of Israeli Jews, I barely need to look further than bigfooty.

Right. Link to some comments on this website that outright “celebrate” those deaths.

 

[Gethelred]

Okay, look. Your people on the hill watching bombs are at the very least insensitive and bad. Probably enjoying murder of civilians but just not saying it. The people in the videos the other dude linked are overtly bad.

The point I am trying to make it I have never encountered these attitudes in anyone I’ve interacted with or even seen in “the comments sections”. Where as on the other hand, the notion that October 7 was justified is almost impossible to avoid.

I mean, you know why that is, right?

We're well within the US propaganda bubble. When we hear of Hamas and Hezbollah, what we see is a coat of arms featuring an AK-47; we see a bunch of guerella warfare types, foreign looking, dirty, desperate. We hear of attrocities they've done; we hear of their mantras, like 'from the river to the sea', through an extremist lens.

Hamas is as much a creation of Israel as it is Palestine, and in its contemporary form has close ties to Netanyahu. Netanyahu has spent his entire time as a politician hardening both sides of this conflict in pursuit of this moment in time; he has exerted his political capital and all influence worldwide to get as many as possible to stand aside and let him do it. He turned Hamas into the monsters of October the 7th, and then beat them like the dogs he made them.

And in turn, anyone trying to show support for Palestine - like Alex Pearce - need be completely above reproach at all times.

Mate, I say it plenty on here: no-one is immune to propaganda. I'm not and you're not. This'd be the time to put up a hand and say 'I got that one wrong'.

There's no shame in being wrong. Given our powerlessness in the wake of this thing, I once heard it said that all we can do is bear witness to it. Witness it, and never forget what our leaders lacked the spine to do.

You'd not seen it before; well, you have now. The only shameful thing, then, would be to look away.

 

[Episode IV]

Hamas is as much a creation of Israel as it is Palestine, and in its contemporary form has close ties to Netanyahu. Netanyahu has spent his entire time as a politician hardening both sides of this conflict in pursuit of this moment in time; he has exerted his political capital and all influence worldwide to get as many as possible to stand aside and let him do it. He turned Hamas into the monsters of October the 7th, and then beat them like the dogs he made them.

I can't tell if this is hyperbole, naivete, or victim blaming.
Whatever it is, at the very least it's less than half of the story.

Reading the life and career of Netanyahu, one could just as easily say he's a creation of Palestinian terrorist organisations (and antagonistic Arab nations in general) and be just as correct.

 

[Gethelred]

I can't tell if this is hyperbole, naivete, or victim blaming.
Whatever it is, at the very least it's less than half of the story.

Reading the life and career of Netanyahu, one could just as easily say he's a creation of Palestinian terrorist organisations (and antagonistic Arab nations in general) and be just as correct.

It's certainly interesting how often you decide to just jump in to defend some pretty... awful shit, EIV.

 

[ElectricG]

I mean, you know why that is, right?

We're well within the US propaganda bubble. When we hear of Hamas and Hezbollah, what we see is a coat of arms featuring an AK-47; we see a bunch of guerella warfare types, foreign looking, dirty, desperate. We hear of attrocities they've done; we hear of their mantras, like 'from the river to the sea', through an extremist lens.

Hamas is as much a creation of Israel as it is Palestine, and in its contemporary form has close ties to Netanyahu. Netanyahu has spent his entire time as a politician hardening both sides of this conflict in pursuit of this moment in time; he has exerted his political capital and all influence worldwide to get as many as possible to stand aside and let him do it. He turned Hamas into the monsters of October the 7th, and then beat them like the dogs he made them.

And in turn, anyone trying to show support for Palestine - like Alex Pearce - need be completely above reproach at all times.

Mate, I say it plenty on here: no-one is immune to propaganda. I'm not and you're not. This'd be the time to put up a hand and say 'I got that one wrong'.

There's no shame in being wrong. Given our powerlessness in the wake of this thing, I once heard it said that all we can do is bear witness to it. Witness it, and never forget what our leaders lacked the spine to do.

You'd not seen it before; well, you have now. The only shameful thing, then, would be to look away.

I’ve read this twice and still don’t really understand your point if I’m being perfectly honest.

 

[Gethelred]

I’ve read this twice and still don’t really understand your point if I’m being perfectly honest.

... then I think we're done here.

 

[ZEV]

I mean, you know why that is, right?

We're well within the US propaganda bubble. When we hear of Hamas and Hezbollah, what we see is a coat of arms featuring an AK-47; we see a bunch of guerella warfare types, foreign looking, dirty, desperate. We hear of attrocities they've done; we hear of their mantras, like 'from the river to the sea', through an extremist lens.

Not all of us.

Some of us have experienced first hand what these organisations do to Palestinians and Israeli's.

Not everyone likes to listen though.

Please explain what aspects of Hamas and Hezbollah are not extremist?

 

[Gethelred]

Not all of us.

Some of us have experienced first hand what these organisations do to Palestinians and Israeli's.

Not everyone likes to listen though.

Please explain what aspects of Hamas and Hezbollah are not extremist?

I always find it interesting when someone tries to corner me on something, especially when it's something I didn't say.

I'm always willing to listen. It's - ironically enough - most of what I do on here.

 

[RCAB]

I’ve read this twice and still don’t really understand your point if I’m being perfectly honest.

I've held my tongue for nearly 2 years on this website regarding this topic. I even deleted my original 10+ year old account, because I was sickened by one of the mods here, who was was so Pro-Israeli, and so apathetic for people in Gaza, that I just couldn't bear even reading the comments on this website, let alone having a discussion here any longer about it.

So I don't know why exactly my vitality has been renewed, but maybe I'm seeing a shift for Pro-Palestinans now, which makes me feel more comfortable to say this.


What you're doing ElectricG is epistemology by experience.
“I haven’t seen it” = “It didn’t happen.”

Great, by that logic the moon landing didn't happen yet and the earth is flat.

Because according to you...
Palestinians post footage of their obliterated homes = “Hamas propaganda.”
Israelis livestream bombings with deck chairs and popcorn = “a few rogue individuals.”
The mental gymnastics deserve an Olympic bid.

You keep saying, “I’ve never seen that kind of celebration on the Israeli side.”
You get it shown then you...

Twist,
pivot,
minimise,

and finish with: “Well, I’ve seen worse here on BigFooty.”

Really? BigFooty trolls are your moral benchmark?
That’s where we’re at?

You want to know what propaganda looks like?

It’s when one flag makes you see children as victims…

and the other flag makes you see them as statistics.


Can you answer these questions in good faith, without resorting to gaslighting?

Do you have to support Hamas to be opposed to apartheid?
Do you have to excuse October 7 to condemn 60,000 civilian deaths and counting? The immeasurable suffering and genocide in Gaza?

If your sentence doesn't begin with “I condemn Hamas,” are you disqualified from basic human empathy?

Let me tell you something you're not going to like... at all.

Some of us do support Hamas and not because we love rockets, but because we’ve seen what indiscriminate killer drones do.

Because we’ve watched families erased, not in theory, but in DMs, dead phone screens, from live accounts of humans completely broken and devoid of hope.

When you lived under blockade for 17 years, with the boot of occupation on your neck, you might pick up a rock too.

The uncomfortable truth here is that people in this thread dont want nuance, they want absolution for apathy.
You don't want to be shown a mirror, which causes you to flinch, instead you just want walk away with the moral high ground, even though you have no skin in the game... and yet you still pick a side like your barracking for a football team.

 

[ZEV]

Some of us do support Hamas and not because we love rockets, but because we’ve seen what indiscriminate killer drones do.

just wow

 

[the_interloper]

I've held my tongue for nearly 2 years on this website regarding this topic. I even deleted my original 10+ year old account, because I was sickened by one of the mods here, who was was so Pro-Israeli, and so apathetic for people in Gaza, that I just couldn't bear even reading the comments on this website, let alone having a discussion here any longer about it.

So I don't know why exactly my vitality has been renewed, but maybe I'm seeing a shift for Pro-Palestinans now, which makes me feel more comfortable to say this.


What you're doing ElectricG is epistemology by experience.
“I haven’t seen it” = “It didn’t happen.”

Great, by that logic the moon landing didn't happen yet and the earth is flat.

Because according to you...
Palestinians post footage of their obliterated homes = “Hamas propaganda.”
Israelis livestream bombings with deck chairs and popcorn = “a few rogue individuals.”
The mental gymnastics deserve an Olympic bid.

You keep saying, “I’ve never seen that kind of celebration on the Israeli side.”
You get it shown then you...

Twist,
pivot,
minimise,

and finish with: “Well, I’ve seen worse here on BigFooty.”

Really? BigFooty trolls are your moral benchmark?
That’s where we’re at?

You want to know what propaganda looks like?

It’s when one flag makes you see children as victims…

and the other flag makes you see them as statistics.


Can you answer these questions in good faith, without resorting to gaslighting?

Do you have to support Hamas to be opposed to apartheid?
Do you have to excuse October 7 to condemn 60,000 civilian deaths and counting? The immeasurable suffering and genocide in Gaza?

If your sentence doesn't begin with “I condemn Hamas,” are you disqualified from basic human empathy?

Let me tell you something you're not going to like... at all.

Some of us do support Hamas and not because we love rockets, but because we’ve seen what indiscriminate killer drones do.

Because we’ve watched families erased, not in theory, but in DMs, dead phone screens, from live accounts of humans completely broken and devoid of hope.

When you lived under blockade for 17 years, with the boot of occupation on your neck, you might pick up a rock too.

The uncomfortable truth here is that people in this thread dont want nuance, they want absolution for apathy.
You don't want to be shown a mirror, which causes you to flinch, instead you just want walk away with the moral high ground, even though you have no skin in the game... and yet you still pick a side like your barracking for a football team.

These are excellent questions tbh, and for some it seems it's binary, you pick a side and that's about it. Most reasonable people would be condemning the civilian deaths on whichever side they are, though toeing your particular political line can make this difficult which is quite ****ed really.