All things ROK (We don't need multiple threads)

[Blue Dimension]

Re: Carlton set to swoop on O'Keefe

why? Would any other club's be prepared to sign him up for 5 years on a 550,000 contract? It was reported we offered him 2.1 mill over 4 years anyway.

Paying him out 550,000 is a ridiculous suggestion. You do know this goes under the cap right? That would kill us moving forward 5 years when our younger brigade are demanding more money.

Not on, at all.

 

[BlueYoss]

Re: Carlton set to swoop on O'Keefe

He could nominate a one year contract with the hope he lasts till Carlton, then extend it from there. If he is drafted interstate, he could then play out the year and will be uncontracted yet again. If he contracted, he's bound by the contract and can only leave if all parties consent.

Keep in mind that while our pick 6 in the PSD this year has no where near the influence that our #2 did last year and our #1's did in the two year prior BUT our picks are only going to be getting worse from here, not better.

As challenging as it will be for us to get O'Keefe PSD this year, future drafts are going to even harder, not easier.

 

[BlueYoss]

Re: Now for O'Keefe in the PSD...

I think Essendon would be able to afford him, but the question is, would they be willing to pay that price for him, considdering the position they're in? Lloyd and Lucas are aging, and adding a 28 year old forward to their list for that amount of money might not be the best call.

Then again, Okeefe with Lloyd and Lucas would be a handful - do they look long term or short term? That's the question they'll be asking.

Was it Knights or Bailey who was said to have gotten their senior coaching gig ahead of their competitors because they showed faith in the current playing list and didn't sell the bottoming-out-rebuilding strategy? IIRC it was Knights.

If Knights is on a 2 year contract that he won on the back of his faith in the current ageing playing list, he may feel pressured to make the 8 in 2009, in which case O'Keefe could be exactly what he needs for a contract extension.

 

[Smyth94]

Re: Now for O'Keefe in the PSD...

Was it Knights or Bailey who was said to have gotten their senior coaching gig ahead of their competitors because they showed faith in the current playing list and didn't sell the bottoming-out-rebuilding strategy? IIRC it was Knights.

If Knights is on a 2 year contract that he won on the back of his faith in the current ageing playing list, he may feel pressured to make the 8 in 2009, in which case O'Keefe could be exactly what he needs for a contract extension.

Seriously, our playing list is anything but ageing.

As of next year we'll have one of the youngest squads in the comp

 

[JuDDysthacaptain]

Re: Carlton set to swoop on O'Keefe

Paying him out 550,000 is a ridiculous suggestion. You do know this goes under the cap right? That would kill us moving forward 5 years when our younger brigade are demanding more money.

Not on, at all.

Oh ok my mistake thought if you pay out his contract it doesn't fall under the salary cap.
Lets get one thing straight though other clubs are not going to let a former AA slip through their grasp for nothing whether he's 28 or not, Choco is licking his lips right now. We are going to have to come up with something or he's not coming simple as that.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Re: Now for O'Keefe in the PSD...

Was it Knights or Bailey who was said to have gotten their senior coaching gig ahead of their competitors because they showed faith in the current playing list and didn't sell the bottoming-out-rebuilding strategy? IIRC it was Knights.

If Knights is on a 2 year contract that he won on the back of his faith in the current ageing playing list, he may feel pressured to make the 8 in 2009, in which case O'Keefe could be exactly what he needs for a contract extension.

It was Knights. This was one of the main reasons why he got the gig ahead of Hardwick. Hardwick was of the opinion they needed a full rebuild (and this is accurate information)

Their list isn't aging, but their stars in Lloyd, Fletcher and Lucas aren't getting younger. It will be about replenishing those boys. They've definately drafted very well the last few years and have some amazing young talent, even with their later picks - the question for them will be whether O'keefe is an appropriate fit given his age and price demand

 

[HBF]

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Not only that, but will Essendon have the room in their cap to accomodate his salary requirements?

 

[BlueYoss]

Re: Now for O'Keefe in the PSD...

It was Knights. This was one of the main reasons why he got the gig ahead of Hardwick. Hardwick was of the opinion they needed a full rebuild (and this is accurate information)

Their list isn't aging, but their stars in Lloyd, Fletcher and Lucas aren't getting younger. It will be about replenishing those boys. They've definately drafted very well the last few years and have some amazing young talent, even with their later picks - the question for them will be whether O'keefe is an appropriate fit given his age and price demand

There are valid points on both sides in terms of what is best for the football club. The point I was making was that Knights could do a Pagan and make decisions that are in the best interests of his contract and not necessarily the Essendon Football Club.

 

[Blue Dimension]

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Not only that, but will Essendon have the room in their cap to accomodate his salary requirements?

I'd be guessing that they do HBF.

 

[BlueYoss]

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Not only that, but will Essendon have the room in their cap to accomodate his salary requirements?

That was last page's discussion, try to keep up HBF...

 

[JuDDysthacaptain]

Providing we have enough room in our cap, maybe we could offer him a top heavy contract over 5 years 2.6 mil paying him out 650,000 next year (i kno alot) then decreasing his contract payments every year?

 

[The Dustbin]

Re: Now for O'Keefe in the PSD...

Would you say that Essendon have plenty of cap space to play with?

I would have thought that Lloyd, Fletcher, Lucas, McVeigh & McPhee (miss anyone?) are senior players on hefty contracts, but I don't see much of the space left by Hird's departure last year having been taken up yet. Would that be about right?

Lloyd and Fletcher are on the veterans list and Fletcher has a one year deal. McVeigh would be on a bit, not sure about McPhee.

That's right though.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Providing we have enough room in our cap, maybe we could offer him a top heavy contract over 5 years 2.6 mil paying him out 650,000 next year (i kno alot) then decreasing his contract payments every year?

They've offered him 2 mil for four years. 5 is too risky, given we have Judd on a 6 year contract and Warnock on a four year contract. 650,000 a year is too much to pay for him imo.

 

[The Dustbin]

ROK salary isn't going to be a problem.
It's pretty simple really. Does Knights want ROK? Time will tell.

Is Port a threat?

 

[The Dustbin]

They've offered him 2 mil for four years. 5 is too risky, given we have Judd on a 6 year contract and Warnock on a four year contract. 650,000 a year is too much to pay for him imo.

Remember in three years time he'll be on the veterans list.

 

[Blue Dimension]

ROK salary isn't going to be a problem.
It's pretty simple really. Does Knights want ROK? Time will tell.

Is Port a threat?

Definitely see Port as a major threat. Don't know why everyone is discounting them.

Remember in three years time he'll be on the veterans list.

True, but what i'm referring to is the length of contracts being dished out. It's very risky to do so.

 

[JuDDysthacaptain]

True, but what i'm referring to is the length of contracts being dished out. It's very risky to do so.

Would that not scare off other clubs though?
What I am suggesting is:
650,000 yr 1
600,000 yr 2
550,000 yr 3
400,000 yr 4
400,000 yr 5
I'm pretty sure you have to play for the club for 10 years anyway to go on the veterans list.

 

[The Dustbin]

Would that not scare off other clubs though?
What I am suggesting is:
650,000 yr 1
600,000 yr 2
550,000 yr 3
400,000 yr 4
400,000 yr 5

They're crazy figures and there is noway I would want Essendon paying that. To answer your question. No, not EFC.

I'm pretty sure you have to play for the club for 10 years anyway to go on the veterans list.

Under AFL player rules, each club may nominate or list what is called a Veteran Player.

In order to be eligible for classification as a Veteran a player must have been the age of 30 as at September 30 in the relevant AFL season and be on the primary list of the AFL club for at least 10 years or in the case of Port Adelaide since the inception of the club.

From 2006 there is now no limit on the number of veteran players a club can list, as long as the player meets the required classification

http://www.afl.com.au/*****/History/AFL101/tabid/1029/Default.aspx#veteran

 

[JuDDysthacaptain]

Your point?
If you read that properly it clearly says: "be on the primary list of the AFL club for at least 10 years or in the case of Port Adelaide since the inception of the club."
ROK would of only been on our list 2. Exactly why Nick Stevens can't go on when he's 30. Fev will be able to though,

 

[mightymightyblues]

Thinking about it, we could easily accomodate ROK needs and fit him in our cap.

• By the time Juddy's contract runs out, he will almost be considered a veteran and his contracts from then on won't be too hefty.
• Fevola will be a veteran in a couple years which means a lot of his salary will be out of the cap which will free up a lot of room.
• Stevens too will also be considered a veteran in 3 or so years time.
• Ackland who is on 300k a year will be gone for good next year which will save us a lot.
• Murphy Gibbs and Kreuzer who all have recently signed 2 -4 year deals won't be asking for too much more for a while and these are players that I know as a fact will not walk out of the club to seek more money.
• Because our list is so young, there are plenty of players who aren't being payed that much in comparison to other clubs.

Besides Judd, Fevola, Stevens and now Warnock, I can't think of anyone else on heavy salary's?

WELCOME TO CARLTON RYAN O'KEEFE

 

[madblue91]

Lol dont u love how so many people question how we are fitting our players in the cap. Do number one draft picks get offered $300,000 on their first contract?? Our team is full of 20-24 year olds and there are ways of working your cap to make sure u dont have cap problems. For eg. You may find tht players like Judd are on a front-ended contract whereby they receive greater amounts of money now and then they will receive less further down the track when our young guns start demanding extra cash. We have two or three higher earners who will be on the veterans list in the next 2-3 years also. Remember we lost Kouta, Lappin and Whitnall as well at the end of last season which would've freed up Judd room at least. So get off our backs and appreciate the brilliance of Greg Swann and Steven Icke. You can see the fear and jealousy of carlton returning and they are trying to keep us down, but the fact is the recovery has well and truly begun and something very special is about to occur!! Go Blues!!

 

[Banga19]

I'd love to get him, having a young and talented list is all well and good, but you can't beat experience. A 28 year old premiership player would be very beneficial I believe

 

[Warsaw]

I'd love to get him, having a young and talented list is all well and good, but you can't beat experience. A 28 year old premiership player would be very beneficial I believe

That's one thing we do lack experience. We are far behind the rest of the comp when it comes to total games played.

He would be beneficial in many fronts, experience is one of them.

 

[DIG]

Definitely see Port as a major threat. Don't know why everyone is discounting them.

Port are surely more likely to get Josh Carr who wants to return than pay massive bucks for someone who doesn't wanna be there.

 

[BlueYoss]

Seriously, our playing list is anything but ageing.

As of next year we'll have one of the youngest squads in the comp

I was referring to the reliance on the core of senior players who are aging.

Your point?
If you read that properly it clearly says: "be on the primary list of the AFL club for at least 10 years or in the case of Port Adelaide since the inception of the club."
ROK would of only been on our list 2. Exactly why Nick Stevens can't go on when he's 30. Fev will be able to though,

AFL are going to be changing this rule so that a player will be eligible for the veterans list if he has been on any AFL list for 10 years.

Would that not scare off other clubs though?
What I am suggesting is:
650,000 yr 1
600,000 yr 2
550,000 yr 3
400,000 yr 4
400,000 yr 5
I'm pretty sure you have to play for the club for 10 years anyway to go on the veterans list.

If it was a 5 year deal structured to reduce as you have suggested, I've read somewhere that it's averaged out ($520K p.a.) and if I'm not mistaken the only term a player can nominate in the PSD is price, but not the number of years, so another team would only have to offer a 1 year contract of $520K to match our offer.

The AFL saw through the old staggered payments trick, eventually.

If anything we'd put him on a very high one year contract with an understanding that he would get a 3-4 year extension on much less money before that one ends.