Event AMA with Admin Candidates

[Barrybran]

IGA let you have lunch breaks mate?

It's covered by the Award

 

[MWPP]

Let's be honest, the clubs woth someone interested will consider it but for the most part people look at Baz Stats and make judgements off that + "i like the way they post", we saw it with people trying to get in Chippy, we saw it with Proper Gander missing out despite winning the Fred as well

Again, preaching to the choir. You saw me cite other stats methods last season, but I think that's as much a reflection on others' preferences than anything else
For Chip, he was competing in a relatively week spot that was contested until the end
For PG, I've had her in my team in previous years but the unofficial ballpark of 20 posts has remained consistent over the seasons
But that's part of the beauty of discussions

To be honest this is a tad far, it was a few shitty comments at a not great time, if that's grounds to question my entire character I'd be surprised if there's anyone 'appropiate' for the role

Shitty is an understatement. If the others who are going for admin have made similar totally inappropriate comments, then I'm unaware of them, but am all ears.

 

[NinjaSwan]

Let's be honest, the clubs woth someone interested will consider it but for the most part people look at Baz Stats and make judgements off that + "i like the way they post", we saw it with people trying to get in Chippy, we saw it with Proper Gander missing out despite winning the Fred as well

PG is a great poster when active but you can't seriously think someone who posted 14 times total from Round 9 onwards should be All-SFA? Going way too far in the opposite direction.

 

[Tonga Bob]

Demand.

Serious answers only, Headless.

 

[MWPP]

Is that really the most important consideration?

Good point. I'd argue that actually wanting the role is an even more basic consideration but that passed the sniff test
As is having someone who isn't of questionable character but that also passed the sniff test

So in other words NinjaSwan I agree with you - Jabba's application which actually had some merit, should've been considered and should've made it to this stage

 

[kdavva]

Shitty is an understatement. If the others who are going for admin have made similar totally inappropriate comments, then I'm unaware of them, but am all ears.

one time I called NaturalDisaster a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and his butt smells, and he likes to kiss his own butt.

 

[Headless]

but the unofficial ballpark of 20 posts has remained consistent over the seasons

Has it?

 

[damicky]

one time I called NaturalDisaster a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and his butt smells, and he likes to kiss his own butt.

Only one time, Dav

 

[kdavva]

The PPW should be lowered in my opinion to 10 and no posting should be taken into consideration after that, that is my vision for All-SFA. We have the beez where people take the top 20 very seriously.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I have a question or two for Kennedy Parker who I believe is the biggest surprise of the nominees (although I have to say was a wonderful admin). I apologise if this is personal or has RL context as I'm not trying to pry.

At the end of Season 30 you retired flat out of the league as you were about to embark on your RL career and wanted to make that your priority, to the extent that you even refused our offer to stay a casual listed player (of course, no doubt, that was the high to go out on). Now two seasons later you're applying for admin (or a new interpretation of admin) - what has changed for you? I ask this purely as somebody who has been in the role and seen RL change what abilities I had and also nearly left the league last season for similar work constraints.

Secondly, if you want the admin role to just be based on strategic matters is there any point to your application? These are mostly off-season tasks that can be done by the committee, it seems to me all the actual time consuming stuff the admin does you want to pass off to a lackey (and I should know, my admin bid to replace you came with the proxy somebody else would do the pretty awards stuff).

 

[MWPP]

Has it?

Yep. As a minimum. Nobody who has posted significantly below that has made it in a long time
The precedent of a Fred medallist not being an automatic suggestion wasn't set by PG either. Itsmanbearpig didn't make it a few seasons ago either.

 

[MWPP]

The PPW should be lowered in my opinion to 10 and no posting should be taken into consideration after that, that is my vision for All-SFA. We have the beez where people take the top 20 very seriously.

Why 10 over 20 or no posting consideration at all?

 

[Proper Gander]

Let's be honest, the clubs woth someone interested will consider it but for the most part people look at Baz Stats and make judgements off that + "i like the way they post", we saw it with people trying to get in Chippy, we saw it with Proper Gander missing out despite winning the Fred as well

The overall point you make, that the balance of posting and SIM might be reviewed for more SIM weighting - especially as you say subjective factors such as liking the poster could influence the result.

In my case though, even if posting numbers and quality were significantly reduced in importance I would still have missed. I was pretty ordinary in the 6 or so posts I managed for the season.

Not making SFA didn’t bother me really (because I was inactive so didn’t notice)

 

[Proper Gander]

PG is a great poster when active but you can't seriously think someone who posted 14 times total from Round 9 onwards should be All-SFA? Going way too far in the opposite direction.

I am now officially uncomfortable with being the case study on this matter

 

[Chipmunk]

Let's be honest, the clubs woth someone interested will consider it but for the most part people look at Baz Stats and make judgements off that + "i like the way they post", we saw it with people trying to get in Chippy, we saw it with Proper Gander missing out despite winning the Fred as well

To be fair, I (and others) were very transparent of the posting gap needed to consider me, and some still thought it was sufficient. Using that as an example of a misbalance of criteria for consideration of All SFA feels a bit false.

Strigoi and PG were interesting examples for different reasons but I guess the wider point is whether there will be stricter criteria for All SFA judgements (which will reduce personal bias)

 

[kdavva]

Why 10 over 20 or no posting consideration at all?

I use 10 as a benchmark figure but I would be happy for it to be up for discussion. In my mind, 10 ppw means you're posting on average twice a day for the entire season. I think being 'active' should be the only prerequisite for entry other than performance on field and I think this would help solve some of the confusion around All-SFA selection.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

The PPW should be lowered in my opinion to 10 and no posting should be taken into consideration after that, that is my vision for All-SFA. We have the beez where people take the top 20 very seriously.

The beez is forum wide posting, an all encompassing popularity contest.

The All-SFA posting component rewards those that contribute to match threads (and is only based on match threads) which is the only real effort we expect anybody to undertake in this place.

The only problem that ever arises with the All-SFA is when somebody misses out and that will never change, no matter what parameters we set.

These are also club decisions, not sole admin decisions. If I can give any advice to any admin applicant, and most ex-admins know this, is it doesn't really matter what your cosmetic ideas are because the likelihood is they will get voted down on day one of the job.

All people really need to know now is how are you going to grow the league, do you even want the job and can you handle it. Then the person that wins the vote will be the most popular person that has no ties to potential shenanigans.

 

[MWPP]

I use 10 as a benchmark figure but I would be happy for it to be up for discussion. In my mind, 10 ppw means you're posting on average twice a day for the entire season. I think being 'active' should be the only prerequisite for entry other than performance on field and I think this would help solve some of the confusion around All-SFA selection.

Again, this seems to be fixing an issue that isn't there. As there actually isn't much confusion, part of the fun is in the debate
At least you're consistent with regards to making it more about the qooty, but even then, how would you decide which stats are rated as more important than other stats?

Also you mentioned before that top 20 beez is there for posting but that is still mostly a media award.

All-SFA traditionally rewarded matchday posting and you're proposing albeit doing away with it

Would you support a move to a stats-only side and a posting-only side?

 

[Proper Gander]

I would absolutely support All-SFA criteria being reviewed, even if the discussions end where they started the discussion should be there.

There are problems with all possibilities.

1. Too much SIM could result in inactives or virtual inactives making the team. Controversial. Inactives likely wouldn’t get much joy from inclusion what with being inactive (so the PG conundrum)

2. An argument could be made that the better posters generally take the prime positions which likewise get the better SIM data. A problem with this is that while it happens, it doesn’t happen always. The best posters will often sacrifice good field positions to encourage newer posters to feel included (so the Headless conundum). I think this point was made quite well in the Tony Lynn 15 thread about midfield hogs, despite the point being made by Tony

3. Too much emphasis on posting numbers is problematic. There have been any number of discussions about bomber threads or whatever being too long, or that stupid campaign by Rioli whoever to post a million times in a thread or a day or whatever to make this a great plan. Theoretically it green lights spam.

4. Post quality is a very subjective thing. One ganders spam might be another gooses gold etc. Plus quality can’t be broadly assessed in respect of the very strong posters who do their work in match threads. Media involvement does give a wider audience, but the Beez covers that pretty adequately already.

I’ll go now. I sound like I’m running for admin

 

[Golumless]

This is lame so i'm going to hijack it.

AMA with Golumless, go.

 

[Chipmunk]

This is lame so i'm going to hijack it.

AMA with Golumless, go.

 

[thewizardmelon]

To be honest this is a tad far, it was a few shitty comments at a not great time, if that's grounds to question my entire character I'd be surprised if there's anyone 'appropiate' for the role

I’ve seen far less inappropriate posts from Bangers than others within the application group.

 

[Tigerturbulance]

Barrybran kdavva Kennedy Parker PMBangers

My question is:
Do you support the Ophidian Old Boys Bid to be the 13th team next season as it will be part of the Sweet FA landscape in your first term as Admin?

 

[Barrybran]

Barrybran kdavva Kennedy Parker PMBangers

My question is:
Do you support the Ophidian Old Boys Bid to be the 13th team next season as it will be part of the Sweet FA landscape your first term as Admin?

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Let's not get ahead ourselves, Turbo. The expansion vote hasn't happened yet.

 

[Tigerturbulance]